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Title: What Happened When An Elderly Lady Went to Home Depot Is Why Everyone Should Own a Gun
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Published: Oct 31, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-10-31 12:49:25 by BTP Holdings
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Comments: 19

What Happened When An Elderly Lady Went to Home Depot Is Why Everyone Should Own a Gun

People all over the nation are learning the best way to stop crime is with a gun.

In some cases the discharge of a firearm is to protect a life, and in other cases it’s to protect property.

A woman in Detroit found herself using it to protect property, even though it wasn’t her own.

When the 47-year-old saw thugs stealing expensive items from Home Depot she decided it was time to take justice into her own hands.

Raw Story writes

Police in Auburn Hills, Michigan are investigating whether or not to charge a conceal carry permit holder who opened fire at alleged shoplifters at a Home Depot store.

According to The Detroit News, the 47-year-old woman was watching from the store’s parking lot on Tuesday as a loss prevention officer appeared to be trying to stop a shoplifter. When the suspects tried to flee in a dark SUV, the woman pulled out her concealed 9mm handgun and began shooting.

The SUV escaped but police believed that at least one of the bullets hit the vehicle, flattening a tire. The suspects were described as two men in their 40s, one black and one white. It was not immediately clear if either of the men were shot as they fled.

The Detroit Free Press reported that the woman had a concealed carry permit and was cooperating with law enforcement. Auburn Hills police had not decided if the woman would be charged.

Now some people claim firing the weapon was out of line.

The argument could certainly be made.

But keep in mind this happened in Detroit where they’ve had to lay off hundreds of police because of budget cuts.

So was it really that out of line when people in this Democrat run city think they can just do whatever to others and get away with it?

You tell us in the comments below.

Poster Comment:

People "think they can just do whatever to others and get away with it?"

I say no way. You cannot just steal to whatever you take a fancy. It is against the law, and against the Ten Commandments that we as Christians are bound to abide with. ;)

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The only time a gun needs to be used is when your life or someone else's is in immediate danger.

Shooting at shoplifting suspects isn't only wrong, but it's a danger to innocent people who happen to be in the line of fire.

This woman has probably seen too many cop shows on TV and thought she'd try her hand at becoming a "hero".

What if she had killed some innocent person down range? Even if she had hit the perps, she'd be charged with attempted murder as she had no reason to fear for her life unless they were shooting at her or others.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-10-31   12:59:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What if she had killed some innocent person down range?

If that had happened, the charge would be manslaughter, since it was an unintentional act.

You are right, though, she had no reason to shoot, unless they were shooting at her or someone else. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-31   13:03:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If that had happened, the charge would be manslaughter, since it was an unintentional act.

Drawing and firing a gun in public in the presence of others is not unintentional. Although you may believe that the killing of an innocent should be considered unintentional, it is not condoned when gangsters "unintentionally" kill little kids during drive by shootings, and a callous disregard for the safety of others cannot be overlooked, especially when the use of force was disproportionate to the crime and there were no exigent circumstances to justify shooting at all.

A criminally negligent homicide in the course of a wrongful (felony) discharge of a firearm could indeed result in a charge of murder. (Felony murder includes unintended death in the course of any felony and it is a death penalty offense in many states.

For instance, if a cop hits a tree while chasing your vehicle after a hit and run and he dies, it's felony murder because evading the police is a felony, and you could be executed for it. If any death results from the criminal discharge of a firearm then homicidal intent is not an essential element of a felony murder charge.

I'm sure that HOME DEPOT will not sustain the unnecessary use of deadly force, which is why their security people don't shoot shoplifters. This was a case of "I have a gun and they don't so I'm gonna bust a cap in they asses". This can only hurt the case for carry permits because civilized people would be repelled by a widespread use of force under such circumstances.

No offense my friend, but you may want to brush up on the law:

"As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule,[14] under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states, it is a capital offense."(WIKI)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-10-31   13:43:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule,[14] under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states, it is a capital offense."(WIKI)

I looked up the link you posted. Here is the entire paragraph.

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The Model Penal Code does not include the felony murder rule, but allows the comm commi comm commission of a felony to raise a presumption of extreme indifference to the valu valu valu value of human life.[15][16] Thus, the felony murder rule is effectively used as a as as a as a rule of evidence.

Most states recognize the merger doctrine, which holds that a criminal assault ca ca ca cannot serve as the predicate felony for the felony murder rule.[17]

So, it seems as though the woman, although not a LEO, was within her rights to shoot at the fleeing suspects. She could have been held liable, though, if the shots she fired killed or wounded a bystander. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-01   12:15:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My friend, The Model Penal Code is not black letter law, any more than the ABA's Code Of Professional Responsibility.

If you try to file an ethics complaint against a crooked lawyer based on the national guidelines, you'll quickly discover that the state ethics code may (and probably doesn't) include the recommendations of the ABA CODE and a complaint cannot be filed except for the most egregious crimes lawyers may commit. And, the Model Penal Code is high minded twaddle, mere wishful thinking with no applicability to the political business of criminal statutes in the several states. For instance, in CA a concealed knife is a felony but a concealed firearm is a misdemeanor. This reflects the fear of Mexicans with knives by the early lawmakers, just as Florida's gun laws still reflect the fears of blacks in rural turpentine camps. A quick comparison of state laws will also prove that there is no standardization as envisioned in The Model Penal Code.

It's a mixed message for you to endorse non punishment for the negligent shooting death of an innocent because some petty crime was committed, and then cite the Pollyanna playground of The Model Penal Code as a morally superior solution to the law I cite that is enforced in at least 24 states.

My state of Delaware has the felony murder charge as black letter law, and it has and will be applied just as I described it. (Intent is not an essential element of a murder charge, only felonious activity that results in the death of another) This is why a getaway driver parked 3 blocks away from a liquor store holdup is also charged with murder if a clerk is killed by the in store robber(s).

And, believe me, if a woman had fired in a HOME DEPOT parking lot (same circs) and killed the wife or child of a DE State Trooper, she'd be charged with murder.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-02   6:07:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And, believe me, if a woman had fired in a HOME DEPOT parking lot (same circs) and killed the wife or child of a DE State Trooper, she'd be charged with murder.

I have no doubt that what you say is true, However, this particular happened in Kansas. I am not too familiar with the laws in Kansas, but no doubt they are similar to those of Missouri.

The fact still remains that there were no injuries to innocent bystanders in Kansas. For this reason there is no reason to charge the woman for discharging her firearm. I am no expert on the law, and certainly not a lawyer (thank God), so this is just another incident which we must chalk up to experience.

BTW, when I drove the big truck, I ALWAYS carried my protection with me, as do a lot of other drivers.

A little story from a long while back. When I drove for IWX, I would go to a produce house in Detroit. One night, a black girl came up to the truck wanting to talk to me. All of a sudden, four guys came running off that dock. They beat the crap out of the black girl and a black guy that was sneaking up on the blind side of the truck. They threw them out in the middle of the street. And it was fairly busy even at night. I said the them, "Are you going to leave them there?" They said, "Darn right we are. You KNOW what they were going to do to yo you!" I don't think so.

As I said, I always carried my protection, and there is NO WAY I would open the door for that creepy bitch. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-02   6:26:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A little story from a long while back. When I drove for IWX, I would go to a produce house in Detroit. One night, a black girl came up to the truck wanting to talk to me. All of a sudden, four guys came running off that dock. They beat the crap out of the black girl and a black guy that was sneaking up on the blind side of the truck. They threw them out in the middle of the street. And it was fairly busy even at night. I said the them, "Are you going to leave them there?" They said, "Darn right we are. You KNOW what they were going to do to yo you!" I don't think so.

As I said, I always carried my protection, and there is NO WAY I would open the door for that creepy bitch. ;)

That is creepy.

Anyone bold or desperate enough to use a child is capable of...well, I don't wanna know.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-02   6:38:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone bold or desperate enough to use a child is capable of...well, I don't wanna know.

She was young, maybe in her late teens at best. But, you get the picture. ;

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-02   6:51:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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