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Title: What Happened When An Elderly Lady Went to Home Depot Is Why Everyone Should Own a Gun
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Published: Oct 31, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-10-31 12:49:25 by BTP Holdings
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What Happened When An Elderly Lady Went to Home Depot Is Why Everyone Should Own a Gun

People all over the nation are learning the best way to stop crime is with a gun.

In some cases the discharge of a firearm is to protect a life, and in other cases it’s to protect property.

A woman in Detroit found herself using it to protect property, even though it wasn’t her own.

When the 47-year-old saw thugs stealing expensive items from Home Depot she decided it was time to take justice into her own hands.

Raw Story writes

Police in Auburn Hills, Michigan are investigating whether or not to charge a conceal carry permit holder who opened fire at alleged shoplifters at a Home Depot store.

According to The Detroit News, the 47-year-old woman was watching from the store’s parking lot on Tuesday as a loss prevention officer appeared to be trying to stop a shoplifter. When the suspects tried to flee in a dark SUV, the woman pulled out her concealed 9mm handgun and began shooting.

The SUV escaped but police believed that at least one of the bullets hit the vehicle, flattening a tire. The suspects were described as two men in their 40s, one black and one white. It was not immediately clear if either of the men were shot as they fled.

The Detroit Free Press reported that the woman had a concealed carry permit and was cooperating with law enforcement. Auburn Hills police had not decided if the woman would be charged.

Now some people claim firing the weapon was out of line.

The argument could certainly be made.

But keep in mind this happened in Detroit where they’ve had to lay off hundreds of police because of budget cuts.

So was it really that out of line when people in this Democrat run city think they can just do whatever to others and get away with it?

You tell us in the comments below.

Poster Comment:

People "think they can just do whatever to others and get away with it?"

I say no way. You cannot just steal to whatever you take a fancy. It is against the law, and against the Ten Commandments that we as Christians are bound to abide with. ;)

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

The only time a gun needs to be used is when your life or someone else's is in immediate danger.

Shooting at shoplifting suspects isn't only wrong, but it's a danger to innocent people who happen to be in the line of fire.

This woman has probably seen too many cop shows on TV and thought she'd try her hand at becoming a "hero".

What if she had killed some innocent person down range? Even if she had hit the perps, she'd be charged with attempted murder as she had no reason to fear for her life unless they were shooting at her or others.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-10-31   12:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What if she had killed some innocent person down range?

If that had happened, the charge would be manslaughter, since it was an unintentional act.

You are right, though, she had no reason to shoot, unless they were shooting at her or someone else. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-31   13:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When An Elderly Lady Went

47 years old is considered "elderly" now??

If that's the case, I think everyone at 4um is in trouble. ;-)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-31   13:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

47 years old is considered "elderly" now??

Must have been written by a 20 year old.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-10-31   13:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If that had happened, the charge would be manslaughter, since it was an unintentional act.

Drawing and firing a gun in public in the presence of others is not unintentional. Although you may believe that the killing of an innocent should be considered unintentional, it is not condoned when gangsters "unintentionally" kill little kids during drive by shootings, and a callous disregard for the safety of others cannot be overlooked, especially when the use of force was disproportionate to the crime and there were no exigent circumstances to justify shooting at all.

A criminally negligent homicide in the course of a wrongful (felony) discharge of a firearm could indeed result in a charge of murder. (Felony murder includes unintended death in the course of any felony and it is a death penalty offense in many states.

For instance, if a cop hits a tree while chasing your vehicle after a hit and run and he dies, it's felony murder because evading the police is a felony, and you could be executed for it. If any death results from the criminal discharge of a firearm then homicidal intent is not an essential element of a felony murder charge.

I'm sure that HOME DEPOT will not sustain the unnecessary use of deadly force, which is why their security people don't shoot shoplifters. This was a case of "I have a gun and they don't so I'm gonna bust a cap in they asses". This can only hurt the case for carry permits because civilized people would be repelled by a widespread use of force under such circumstances.

No offense my friend, but you may want to brush up on the law:

"As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule,[14] under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states, it is a capital offense."(WIKI)

"All public employees should be demoted to their immediately lower level, as they have been promoted until turning incompetent".__"José Ortega y Gasset

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-10-31   13:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Point taken.

BTW, when I lived in Chicago in the late '70s, I was doing cosmetics deliveries for a woman in the old neighborhood. She had this purple fluid that would take the kinks out of the black's hair. I would deliver it by the gallon, four gallons to a case, to the beauty shops on the South Side. She told me, "Don't take any checks from those people."

I collected CASH. By the time I was finished I had between $500 and $800 (a lot of money back then) on me. I ALWAYS carried a pistol. I never had any trouble because I stayed on the main streets. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-31   15:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if a cop hits a tree while chasing your vehicle after a hit and run and he dies, it's felony murder because evading the police is a felony, and you could be executed for it

I get what you're saying about how these sort of cases reflect badly on the practice of carrying.

However, I don't think felony murder and capital charges are normally congruent. I think to impose the needle or whatever it takes to cool the culprit, the charge has to be first degree murder. IOW there has to be willfulness and premeditation. Maybe I'm wrong. This ain't my area of expertise.

Nice to see you out in these parts again, HOUNDDAWG.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-31   16:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Law enforcement fire at fleeing vehicles all the time and NO one yells. I think that this women was acting right, she wanted to stop a criminal. If LE can do it why not civilians??

Darkwing  posted on  2015-11-01   10:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Law enforcement fire at fleeing vehicles all the time and NO one yells.

The thing is that this woman was not a LEO. She was a civilian. I get what you ar are saying, though.

Did you hear that Kansas recently passed concealed carry without a permit? One guy already broke up an armed robbery in Pittsburg. Good for him. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-01   12:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule,[14] under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states, it is a capital offense."(WIKI)

I looked up the link you posted. Here is the entire paragraph.

As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule,[14] u [14] under wh [14] u [14] under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states states, it i states states, it is a capital offense.[14] When the government seeks to impose the death death penal death death penalty on someone convicted of felony murder, the Eighth Amendment has been i been inter been i been interpreted so as to impose additional limitations on the state power. The death death pen death death penalty may not be imposed if the defendant is merely a minor participant and di and did and di and did not actually kill or intend to kill. However, the death penalty may be impose imposed impose imposed if the defendant is a major participant in the underlying felony and "e and "exhibits extreme indifference to human life".

The Model Penal Code does not include the felony murder rule, but allows the comm commi comm commission of a felony to raise a presumption of extreme indifference to the valu valu valu value of human life.[15][16] Thus, the felony murder rule is effectively used as a as as a as a rule of evidence.

Most states recognize the merger doctrine, which holds that a criminal assault ca ca ca cannot serve as the predicate felony for the felony murder rule.[17]

So, it seems as though the woman, although not a LEO, was within her rights to shoot at the fleeing suspects. She could have been held liable, though, if the shots she fired killed or wounded a bystander. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-01   12:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I collected CASH. By the time I was finished I had between $500 and $800 (a lot of money back then) on me. I ALWAYS carried a pistol. I never had any trouble because I stayed on the main streets. ;)

When I was servicing automatic doors (pedestrian swingers and sliders, not garage doors) I had a next morning call at a grocery store in South Philly (think Mumia Abu-Jamal, Ramona Africa, MOVE bombing) which was not my usual territory. So, I decided to get there early before the gun toting street entrepreneurs woke up.

Imagine my surprise to see a Caucasian bread delivery man sporting an exposed sidearm in a low slung, thigh strapped holster that undoubtedly facilitated a fast draw?

I quickly surmised that he wouldn't have been armed if he hadn't already been robbed, or, signaling his intention not to be the "second place winner" by his method of carry unless he had been additionally brutalized or shot, and who the good Christ knew what else.

A bread man.

Hmmmmp.

A picture is worth a thousand newspaper crime reports.

I tried to explain this to a guy who invited me to a Moose Lodge displaying a sign that read, "No firearms allowed except bone fide law enforcement officers, even if you have a concealed weapons permit!"

I asked, "What do patrons think has happened here when they spot that sign at the door?"

But, he was a dummy who refused to let me influence him in any way. For my money that sign told me some members of The Moose had exposed their asses in a liquor establishment, or who would have known that they were armed?

It definitely gave me another reason not to join, despite the urging of this acquaintance. I mean, would you pay to join a club that had a sign that read, "ATT: MEMBERS! NEW RULE: Absolutely no corn holing or bestiality in the restroom OR the parking lot!"?

It was a cheap watering hole for thirsty members. Nothing wrong with that I suppose. (I didn't go out to drink)

I noticed that the "classic beauty" of the Women's Auxiliary "could make time stand still."

(Their faces could stop a clock)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-02   5:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My friend, The Model Penal Code is not black letter law, any more than the ABA's Code Of Professional Responsibility.

If you try to file an ethics complaint against a crooked lawyer based on the national guidelines, you'll quickly discover that the state ethics code may (and probably doesn't) include the recommendations of the ABA CODE and a complaint cannot be filed except for the most egregious crimes lawyers may commit. And, the Model Penal Code is high minded twaddle, mere wishful thinking with no applicability to the political business of criminal statutes in the several states. For instance, in CA a concealed knife is a felony but a concealed firearm is a misdemeanor. This reflects the fear of Mexicans with knives by the early lawmakers, just as Florida's gun laws still reflect the fears of blacks in rural turpentine camps. A quick comparison of state laws will also prove that there is no standardization as envisioned in The Model Penal Code.

It's a mixed message for you to endorse non punishment for the negligent shooting death of an innocent because some petty crime was committed, and then cite the Pollyanna playground of The Model Penal Code as a morally superior solution to the law I cite that is enforced in at least 24 states.

My state of Delaware has the felony murder charge as black letter law, and it has and will be applied just as I described it. (Intent is not an essential element of a murder charge, only felonious activity that results in the death of another) This is why a getaway driver parked 3 blocks away from a liquor store holdup is also charged with murder if a clerk is killed by the in store robber(s).

And, believe me, if a woman had fired in a HOME DEPOT parking lot (same circs) and killed the wife or child of a DE State Trooper, she'd be charged with murder.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-02   6:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And, believe me, if a woman had fired in a HOME DEPOT parking lot (same circs) and killed the wife or child of a DE State Trooper, she'd be charged with murder.

I have no doubt that what you say is true, However, this particular happened in Kansas. I am not too familiar with the laws in Kansas, but no doubt they are similar to those of Missouri.

The fact still remains that there were no injuries to innocent bystanders in Kansas. For this reason there is no reason to charge the woman for discharging her firearm. I am no expert on the law, and certainly not a lawyer (thank God), so this is just another incident which we must chalk up to experience.

BTW, when I drove the big truck, I ALWAYS carried my protection with me, as do a lot of other drivers.

A little story from a long while back. When I drove for IWX, I would go to a produce house in Detroit. One night, a black girl came up to the truck wanting to talk to me. All of a sudden, four guys came running off that dock. They beat the crap out of the black girl and a black guy that was sneaking up on the blind side of the truck. They threw them out in the middle of the street. And it was fairly busy even at night. I said the them, "Are you going to leave them there?" They said, "Darn right we are. You KNOW what they were going to do to yo you!" I don't think so.

As I said, I always carried my protection, and there is NO WAY I would open the door for that creepy bitch. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-02   6:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My friend, we did not grow up with a felony murder charge. On "The Highway Patrol" with Broderick Crawford or "Hawaii 5-0" with Jack Lord there was no such charge. It was added to punish crims who slipped the noose because they weren't actually present or the state lacked proof of the mens rea to find them guilty of 1st degree murder.

Your mistake is a common one and I was actually shocked when it was explained to me by the DE Attorney General 25 years ago.

There's also another motivation for felony murder-If a lifelong convict turned jail house lawyer is the mastermind and the getaway driver and he sends juveniles in to commit a murder, the state wanted the tools to execute him for his proper role in the crime. The simple act of using juveys (with a promise of light punishment and automatic gang membership) to avoid the death penalty will no longer have the desired results.

Now, the possibility of executing the woman in question may seem improbable (had she killed someone-she didn't) but for purely political reasons. Hell, CA couldn't have executed OJ had he been convicted, and in fact the prevailing circs made it impossible to convict him without blatantly trying him in lily white Simi Valley. But as a matter of black letter law the woman could be eligible for death under the circs as I described them, racial unrest and the tinderbox conditions notwithstanding.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-02   6:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How about the CA Penal Code sec 417 (a) 2? _______________________________________________

(2) Every person who, except in self-defense, in the presence of any other person, draws or exhibits any firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, in a rude, angry, or threatening manner, or who in any manner, unlawfully uses a firearm in any fight or quarrel is punishable as follows: (A) If the violation occurs in a public place and the firearm is a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, by imprisonment in a county jail for not less than three months and not more than one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment. (B) In all cases other than that set forth in subparagraph (A), a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not less than three months.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-02   6:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A little story from a long while back. When I drove for IWX, I would go to a produce house in Detroit. One night, a black girl came up to the truck wanting to talk to me. All of a sudden, four guys came running off that dock. They beat the crap out of the black girl and a black guy that was sneaking up on the blind side of the truck. They threw them out in the middle of the street. And it was fairly busy even at night. I said the them, "Are you going to leave them there?" They said, "Darn right we are. You KNOW what they were going to do to yo you!" I don't think so.

As I said, I always carried my protection, and there is NO WAY I would open the door for that creepy bitch. ;)

That is creepy.

Anyone bold or desperate enough to use a child is capable of...well, I don't wanna know.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-02   6:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How about the CA Penal Code sec 417 (a) 2?

Suits me. That is CA penal code. The incident we are talking about happened in Kansas. Nice of the DE Attorney General to explain those things to you. Nice guy. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-02   6:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I had a cousin (long dead now) who ran a cigarette vending route on the South Side of Chicago. He always carried a pistol. One time he was shooting at a black kid who tried to steal some stuff off the back of his truck.

Another time, he was going down a side street on the near South Side. Three black guys stepped out in front of him. One of them had a pistol. He floored the truck. They put four rounds in the back of the left side of the truck. The boss was mad that the stock got tore up. He said, "Screw that shit. the stock saved my life." He carried a lot of cash from the cigarette machines. As I said, he is dead a long time now. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-02   6:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone bold or desperate enough to use a child is capable of...well, I don't wanna know.

She was young, maybe in her late teens at best. But, you get the picture. ;

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-02   6:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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