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Title: Loose Change 2nd Edition on Google Video
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URL Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?d ... 581991288263801&q=loose+change
Published: Jan 27, 2006
Author: Dylan Avery/Louder Than Words production
Post Date: 2006-01-27 13:22:46 by valis
Keywords: Edition, Change, Google
Views: 3203
Comments: 156
An ARG reader has noticed that Google Video is now hosting a streaming version of For those who have seen it, this link serves as a handy reference. For those who have not, after viewing, you’ll probably want to pick up a copy or two.
Loose Change 2nd edition (hopefully with Dylan Avery’s permission)
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#106. To: Starwind (#100)
I sure wish that you could view Painful Deceptions here.
Wonder why that is.? They aren't stupid or they would not be in business long. All of the debris was removed (by the same company that removed the OKC debris) quickly, which for a crime scene is a crime. I wonder what the insurance company learned; we'll never know. "We don't need no stinkin' badges!" -Gold Hat, now starring Alberto Gonzales Rest assured, I don't believe the governments version. But neither do I believe the conspiracy theories. Hmm baseless at the bottom? I dont automatically believe everything that those who doubt the official conspiracy theory allege..that is why I asked for your input for I dont have enough knowledge to make a judgement. I think it's a matter of looking at evidence .. based on facts and irrefutable and circumstantial evidence. IMO Prof David Ray Griffin gives the most succinct analysis of the issues re 9/11 .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin There are several things that just does not and cannot fit in the official conspiracy theory here are just a couple: 1) How is it possible the WTC bldgs collapsed? The official theory of course is that it was due to fire but has been refuted many times by scientists although of course Popular Science did a piece on this and was more than ridiculous. 2) If you do in fact believe the official theory on the first 2 WTC blgs how is it possible the 3rd bldg collapsed? 3) Indira Singh (did IT work for JP Morgan Chase and Interoperability Clearinghouse ..Singh was contracted to develop A.I. risk managing programs re fraud in banking systems/the market and one of the s/w programs she looked at was PTECH) That being said.. Singh said PTech, BMI, Geneva Capital and the other companies interrelated were not only laundering money illegally to terrorist groups.. 4) Sibel Edmonds and her FBI experience and what she's said about who is involved in 9/11 re Americans “drug trafficking, money laundering, foreign names and American names directly involved in the financing of the 9-11 attacks on WTC (World Trade Center) and the Pentagon.”
Alright then, put options for what exactly, when did they expire, and for whom MSDW or clients of MSDW? And was MSDW acting a counterparty, offsetting/hedging against the put options purchased by others, or were they trading for their own account? Ditto for Merrill Lynch. Again options on what? when did they expire? for whom were they bought? When options expire without being exercised the profit is lost. Options that aren't "claimed" didn't get exercised, so how are "profits" on expired and unclaimed options determined, pray tell? How large? Several billion dollars worth are traded daily. The US markets and economy was already plunging rapidly into fall of 2001. What large purchases stood out in that climate? LOL - when isn't the price of gold and oil being manipulated? There is not enough fact to prove or disprove these suspicions (anybody can suspect anything, and apparently they do) independently of having to accept someone elses finding. If I saw a conspiracy theory that actually addressed the reality of how options, stocks bonds, etc are traded normally and then showed what was specifically different pre-9/11 and how the SEC was wrong, specifically, that woul dbe important. But repetition of old suspicions in absence of any thoughtful analysis isn't credible. Alright then lets start with your analysis of how the bidding should have gone, how Silverstein, the NY Port Authority, Brookfield, Vornado, etc all conspired to control the timing, the outcome, the price, setup the planes/missiles, whatever, and coordinated it all with the Pentagon and the airlines, the Likud, Mossad, etc, etc etc.
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Also mine #108.. IMO what Singh had to say about PTech .. and what Singh said coincides with what Edmonds said to some in congress.. Also which is VERY odd.. AFTER the fact Ashcroft put a gag order on Edmonds.
Zipporah posted on 2006-01-28 22:57:02 ET Sibel provides a provocotive look into to whole mess. She needs to be the new Attorney General.
Have you read much re Singh? There is a very interesting video on Snowshoefilms.com of her.. what she has to say is compelling.
Also there is a blog that focuses on the Edmonds case.. it is very in depth and has done a lot of connecting the dots and investigative work. http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2005/12/sibel-edmonds-brewster-jennings_28.html
I'll ask a third time about building 7, Larry Silverstein said to "Pull it", this means to demolish the building. Why did he say that? Why were the only buildings left standing buildings not owned or leased by Larry Silverstein? There are many unanswered questions about put options, and they are suspicious. The govt refuses to investigate more, why? IF some group within our govt did 9/11, do you really think they could not contrive NYC bidding at least as easily as Tony Soprano? Let me ask you this, do you think Bush could have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, crammed the Patriot Act down our throats, started the DHS, and illegally wiretapped on Americans, w/o 9/11?
"We don't need no stinkin' badges!" -Gold Hat, now starring Alberto Gonzales Griffin is highly respected and his study and analysis of this New Pearl Harbor is done in a scholarly way.
"We don't need no stinkin' badges!" -Gold Hat, now starring Alberto Gonzales Robin, you're too nice to the Zyclon B victims...why is there no memorial in those dreaded camps for all the lice that died in this Holocaust?
Obviously he screwed up and missed a couple. Perhaps they recognized the futility of it? Is there any proof that would, in your mind, exhonerate Larry Silverstein or the unamed institutional trader? I honestly don't believe they are anywhere near smart enough. I don't believe they would start out with 9/11 as "the plan". I'm willing to believe they botched the detection, prevention, and reaction so badly (ala Katrina) that a lot of really bad decisions were made and covered up. I'm sure there are liars on all sides of these issues, for various self-serving motives. Just because someone is attempting to disprove the government's theory, does not mean they are truthful about their own testimony. All the evidence, testimony, theories, whatever need to be scrutinized. Just like lies will found on all sides, so will a grain of truth be found here and there. And even some aspects of the government's version can be truthful while other aspects are not. But if you discard all of it out of hand simply because it is touted by the government, if you swallow everything simply because it disputes the government, you'll never find the truth. Life is rather more complicated than what Tony Soprano experiences. Yes I do. Never misunderestimate stupidity - his or ours (collectively).
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One question.. have you ever read the Northwoods document?
Then maybe you should investigate a little. Watch the videos, search the net, check the links posted to you about it. There is a video of him speaking, there are quotes, he said it. Building 7 had some interesting tenants, our govt, as I posted to you also. Open your mind. The govt refuses to investigate more, why? Perhaps they recognized the futility of it? How absurd. I honestly don't believe they are anywhere near smart enough. I don't believe they would start out with 9/11 as "the plan". I'm willing to believe they botched the detection, prevention, and reaction so badly (ala Katrina) that a lot of really bad decisions were made and covered up. FEMA is not NSA/CIA. Let me ask you this, do you think Bush could have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, crammed the Patriot Act down our throats, started the DHS, and illegally wiretapped on Americans, w/o 9/11? Yes I do. Never misunderestimate stupidity - his or ours (collectively). Also absurd. There had to be a really good reason. Why didn't we join the Allies in WWII until AFTER Pearl Harbor? This was planned in advance. At the time of the attack which destroyed the World Trade Center Dov Zakheim was the Comptroller of the Pentagon, appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor".
"We don't need no stinkin' badges!" -Gold Hat, now starring Alberto Gonzales No.
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Answer yourself, Starwind???, "prey tell?". And the real question ??is, why would you try to obfuscate? and defend this evil explotive operation????. Starwind? Bull crapola not allowed in the answer??, Starwind??.
Well I had hoped to put one over on you, but alas you are too shrewed for me. No biscuit tonight.
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This is what made me rethink 9/11: This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”
That's not possible Zip, the govt is too incompetent, Katrina proves it, according to Starwind. So then is al-Qaida and OBL more competent than our govt? Is that what he means? FEMA turning away flotillas of aid, trucks with water, that's criminal, not incompetence. The govt awarding Halliburton the cleanup contract 3 days after Katrina struck, while Americans were still about to die in New Orleans, that's criminal, not incompetence. Forcing the victims out of the state, destroying their homes out from under them, that's criminal, not incompetence. New Orleans is a MAJOR shipping port for oil, natural gas, etc. Here's the attitude that may have played a part in what is even now happening to the people of New Orleans. The President's mother on national television after Katrina: "We don't need no stinkin' badges!" -Gold Hat, now starring Alberto Gonzales The President's mother on national television after Katrina: "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them." Oh this wasnt incompetence just like Iraq isnt incompetence..it is purposeful IMO.. on both issues.. NOW why would they perhaps want to clear NO of the riff raff?.. Speaking of 9/11 and Larry Silverstein:
I actually forgot Larry popped up in New Orleans after Katrina. Starwind the Scripture is "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Our nation is a huge prize, it is not surprising that there are evil ones who would devise schemes to control it. To be blind is not wise.
"We don't need no stinkin' badges!" -Gold Hat, now starring Alberto Gonzales Actually it wasnt Silverstein himself.. just another person who made a mint from a disaster... the WSJ saw the parallel and called him the Larry Silverstein of NO.
Oh, that's it, thanks. His name did though, but they are really talking about Judah Hertz.
"We don't need no stinkin' badges!" -Gold Hat, now starring Alberto Gonzales You have not done enough research on the events of 911. This is the most defining event for the US in our history. You should make more time, do more reading, and view some videos on the event. The criminals behind 911 are not some bumbling keystone government officials, this was planned 5-7 years in advance by deep government military agencies. Mark
Here is are some audio links of Indira Singh re 9/11 and terrorism.. important stuff: http://www.4acloserlook.com/realaudio/102805a-singh.ram
I have VLC as well (on W2K Pro), but it won't play the stream, nor do I see what link is used to download without playing the entire video. From this page: Manually Download the video: Which works, but it is only a 659B file which VLC doesn't play either (it reports nothing to play). So, please, how did you download the video, from what link, did you do it without using Google's Player, and what version of VLC do you have? Thanks for any tips.
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Let me ask you this, do you think PNAC could have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, crammed the Patriot Act down our throats, started the DHS, and illegally wiretapped on Americans, w/o 9/11?
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
Maybe this will help:
Thank you. Are you able to manually download the google LooseChange2ndEditio.gvp video file and play it with VLC, and what version/platform are you using, please? I have 8.4a but I'm running an 8.5 beta.
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I have not seen this one myself, but this site is offering a free DVD, "Confronting the Evidence." http://Reopen911.org
Are you able to manually download the google LooseChange2ndEditio.gvp video file and play it with VLC, and what version/platform are you using, please? I have 8.4a but I'm running an 8.5 beta. When I opened the page the file automatically played.. so I didnt play this in VLC but.. here's some info that may help if you want to play it in VLC: "Google Video offers plenty of free videos to waste your time. Some are of extremely poor quality, some are pretty good. Some are amateur movies of kids joking about, some are about backyard birding. Unfortunately, downloading is not always that simple. If you try to download and watch a movie, Google wants you to install its video player. I wasn't sure I wanted that on my computer though, so I figured I would opt to “manually download the video”. Which only gave me a “.gvp” file. When I opened this in Wordpad, it turned out to simply be a file containing metadata on the movie, including a URL to download the movie from. That URL led me to an avi version of the movie, which I could then download and watch in my own version of vlc (I read somewhere that the Google player is based on vlc). So this could be a way to still watch unprotected movies while being offline. Downloading also has the benefit of a better picture quality, compared to watching it online, as streaming video. "
Thank you. Back later.
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Nice scripture for these days.
PNAC, what a fun group. Yes, PNAC is closer than Bush.
"We don't need no stinkin' badges!" -Gold Hat, now starring Alberto Gonzales You're welcome..
Don't wanna nag you, but can you also watch Painful Deceptions? It goes into detail that I think you will appreciate. ;)
You can change the target folder in preferences after the install. I didn't recall any directory options during the install. I copied the video to another directory after downloading it and was able to play it from there. Naturally to download the video, communication with google's website is expected. But after a video has been downloaded, if you replay a video (say, a second time a day or so later) does the google video player require to again communicate with the google website, for example, perhaps to verify that your saved copy is legitimate and you have a 'right' to replay it? Do you have a firewall that notifies you of unexpected or unauthorized attempts to "call home to the mother ship"? It would appear that hacking the google video site is the fulltime hobby of some people out on the net. Here is an interesting site:Google video downloader . Copy the url for the loose change video at the top of this thread, then paste it into the "Paste the link from Google and get the REAL link now:" box. It seems like the google video stuff has been violated like drunk prom date.
Nothing says "poor workmanship" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
Ok, so I watched both "Loose Change 2nd Edition" and "Painful Deceptions" I'd recommend them to anyone who has little or no knowledge of the 9/11 controversy over who is responsible or culpable. However, to those of us familiar with the controversy, I don't see that either adds anything new to the debate. As I said earlier, I never believed the government's version and neither video added to that disbelief. Nor do I find any credibility in the claims that the option and stock trades demonstrate foreknowledge. Regardless, obviously someone had foreknowledge, as these were planned events and not pilot error, no matter who was piloting. Stock/option/bond trades are not required to establish proof of foreknowledge, and I (none of us) have the factual information of who conducted what trades so as to specifically identify who had foreknowledge. I'm sure the government had some knowledge immediately prior, but regardless of whether that was "picked up from chatter" or leaked, or received as a tip-off - it didn't come from market trades, and market trades aren't needed to establish that someone knew in advance. Of course someone knew, and there were undoubtedly "leaks" but to whom, and the bigger question is who planned 911 and why? I don't believe it was done to have an opportunity to go short on airline stocks or cash in an insurance policy (policies that weren't finalized at the time). Nor do I find anything new about Larry Silverstein's alleged involvment. I don't know why he said "Pull It" regarding building 7, it is curious, but were I on a jury knowing what little I do today, I would not convict. Everything else regarding Silverstein's involvment, seems standard business, albeit cutthroat business (we are talking multi-billion dollar NY real estate). As I said, I never accepted the government version. OTOH, the "planted shaped explosive, controlled demolition" theory, while the best explanation, doesn't for me answer the question of how all those charges (250 floors over some 3 buildings x dozens of columns) got planted and triggered without some building occupant catching on, or some "whistle blower" tip off. It's been suggested that radio receivers were used - I can't find info that anyone does that and I question the reliability of such a technique. Having watched a number of documentaries on controlled demolition, they're always drilling holes to get those charges positioned "just so", and then they run wires, and repeatedly check circuit continuity. I don't see how that was done in the months leading up to 9/11, regardless of who owned the buildings. Obviously, as agreed, some kind of explosive seems the best explanation, but the known techniques for planting them don't seem to apply. I've have wondered if some kind of gaseous or particulate explosive might have been pumped into the vents, elevators, core beams etc.... but I dunno. Obviously as the debris has been carted away, the government didn't want to find out. But then the government's story and invetsigation never held up anyway. As for motive. I don't believe it was money or gold as some theories would argue. While I didn't know about the" Northwood" stuff specifically, I'm not surprised as the geopolitical jousting by various spy organizations are always looking for ways to create a pretext or frame someone. I doubt ours are any different. But did our own government plan it, encourage it, allow it, or just fail to stop it, I don't know. I can imagine other ways to establish a pretext for war (especially if war is the forgone result) with far less complication than 911. But then I never said they were smart, rather I've argued the opposite. To point out all the fallacies of the government's story, and then simultaneously argue how clever the government is to have pulled it off while getting caught in a cover-up, seems to me contradictory.
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Thanks much. Zipporah's trick in post #136 allows one to download an .avi file which can then be played with VLC.
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objective review, i think. just out of curiosity, do you think one is better than the other?
Glad you took the time to watch the videos.. #1 RE Siverstein.. It seems to me that the put options and/or what he said about pulling the buildings point to fore knowledge.. even if you dont add in the put options debate, his statement was highly suspicious. Also re fore knowledge 'chatter'.. actually Indira Singh addresses this: On 9/11/2001, Indira worked for JP Morgan in a field called Risk Management, involving computer systems and programs designed to keep JP Morgan's entire information and financial structure safe. She had also worked with a Defense Advanced Research Project - DARPA-funded technology group, with close ties to the CIA. This provided her with contacts deep within the government and corporate America. She was working on a program for JP Morgan - the next generation of risk software - whose function was to think about all the information going on throughout the enterprise as bank business was being conducted worldwide. It would detect money laundering and other crimes in real time and then do something about it; perhaps alert an "intelligent" software agent or a person, or shutdown the transaction immediately. This capability could be accomplished by using an evolution of PROMIS software. FTW has extensively covered the PROMIS software controversy, the software stolen by the Justice Department from Inslaw which over the past two decades has evolved and merged with artificial intelligence. ************ "All the industry gurus recommended Ptech." Indira was unsure whether Ptech was right. After all, they were a small company, and with software this expensive you couldn't afford to choose wrong. But everywhere she looked boosted her confidence in Ptech, especially when viewing their list of prominent clients. The White House, Treasury Department (Secret Service), CIA, FBI, both houses of Congress, Air Force, Navy, Department of Energy, IRS, Booze Allen Hamilton, IBM, Enron and even NATO all used, and as of this writing, some still use Ptech software. IBM, a global strategic partner with JP Morgan, had selected Ptech for their Preferred Vendor program. All of this convinced Indira that Ptech was the right choice. After getting the extensive site clearance JP Morgan required, Indira invited Ptech to the premises for a one-day evaluation of their software. But according to Indira, everything was wrong that day. **************** With Ptech's people still in the office, Indira called Roger Burlton, who runs Business Process Renewal in Vancouver. Roger told Indira, "Don't let them out of your sight and don't let them leave with anything." ***************** Roger recommended Indira speak to Jeff Goins, a former Ptech employee. This is where Indira first heard of Saudi terror financier Yasin Al Qadi and that he had been (and may have continued to be) an investor in Ptech. Al Qadi said he met Dick Cheney in Jeddah before he became Vice President, and that they still maintain "cordial relations." Indira confirmed that Jeff had taken his concerns to the FBI. In short order, Indira was talking to the FBI agent Jeff had spoken with. ********** The FBI agent sent her a video produced by Joe Bergantino' for CBS in Boston, on Care International. "The people in the video that the FBI were looking for right after 9/11 were Ptech employees." Muhammed Mubayyid and Suheil Laheir, who were both Ptech employees, formerly worked for Care International. But this is not the Care everyone knows. This Care listed its corporate office in the same suite as Al Kifah's Boston office. Al Kifah was a Muslim organization whose Brooklyn office was named as the locus of the 1993 conspiracy to bomb the World Trade Center. Muhammed Mubayyid, who is still employed by Ptech and used to be the treasurer for Care, once made a donation to Al Kifah's Brooklyn office. We should not forget the FBI had completely infiltrated the terrorist cell responsible for the '93 bombing with Egyptian informant Emad Salem. The FBI had dropped him from their payroll right when the informant himself was designing the bomb used in the WTC bombing. #2 Regarding the planting of explosives.. There are some things that point to when it may have happened from Newsday:Heightened Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted " The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday." And this: WTC power down"I was pleased to read your article "The Official Version of 9/11 is a Hoax" ... Please note some other facts. My name is Scott Forbes and I still work for Fiduciary Trust. In 2001 we occupied floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower and lost 87 employees plus many contractors. On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brough[t] back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ... Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work ... I have mailed this information to many people and bodies, including the 9/11 Commission but no-one seems to be taking and registering these facts. Whats to hide? Can you help publicise them?" And here is an interview of Forbes Scott Forbes Interview #3 IMO 9/11 was a pretext for war but that's just one piece of a much larger puzzle.. which has to do with the same people that were the prepetrators in the Iran contra conspiracy.
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#107. To: tom007 (#105)
nd they detest having to pay a claim on a policy taken out only weeks before. Indeed, they often delay payment to investigate cases where immediate claims are made against brand new policies.
#108. To: Starwind (#100)
Yes, I understand that is your opinion. I briefly glanced at the video clips of Silverstein's statements. I understand the implications, I'd need to dig deeper into what is being alleged, though I don't think I will take the time at prersent, I have other priorities and the conspiracy theories often are baseless at bottom.
#109. To: robin (#103)
Not true, there were others mentioned in wikipedia besides the airline put options.
Put options were also purchased for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter,
Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw a 1200% increase in put options bought in the four days preceding 9/11.
Munich Re, the world's biggest reinsurance company, was also examined. A reported $2.5 million in profits made trading options went unclaimed after 9/11.
Investigators from the U.S. Secret Service contacted a number of bond traders regarding large purchases of five-year Treasury notes before the attacks. Five- year Treasury notes are considered one of the best investments in the event of a world crisis.
Germany's central bank governor Ernst Welteke says there were signs of suspicious movements in oil and gold prices before the attack. [9]
You are not naive enough to think these types of biddings are run fairly are you?
#110. To: robin (#104)
#111. To: Zipporah (#108)
Sibel Edmonds and her FBI experience and what she's said about who is involved in 9/11 re Americans “drug trafficking, money laundering, foreign names and American names directly involved in the financing of the 9-11 attacks on WTC (World Trade Center) and the Pentagon.”
#112. To: tom007 (#111)
Sibel provides a provocotive look into to whole mess. She needs to be the new Attorney General.
#113. To: tom007 (#111)
#114. To: Starwind (#109)
#115. To: Zipporah (#108)
In The New Pearl Harbor, Griffin summarizes the work of other researchers who assert that elements of the US government were involved in the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center in New York City. He uses his training in logic to analyze the validity of their arguments.
#116. To: robin (#114)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#117. To: robin (#114)
I'll ask a third time about building 7, Larry Silverstein said to "Pull it", this means to demolish the building. Why did he say that?
You perhaps overlooked my answer earlier, I don't know. But as I also said earlier, I don't accept his out of context quote and someone elses imputation of what he must have meant as self-evident fact sufficient to declare him a culprit in a conspiracy. I don't know the detailed circumstances of anyones 'story' on the WTC but I do know plausible from implausible regarding some of the business-related suspicions cited. Why were the only buildings left standing buildings not owned or leased by Larry Silverstein?
The govt refuses to investigate more, why?
IF some group within our govt did 9/11, do you really think they could not contrive NYC bidding at least as easily as Tony Soprano?
Let me ask you this, do you think Bush could have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, crammed the Patriot Act down our throats, started the DHS, and illegally wiretapped on Americans, w/o 9/11?
#118. To: Starwind (#117)
I honestly don't believe they are anywhere near smart enough. I don't believe they would start out with 9/11 as "the plan".
#119. To: Starwind (#117)
I don't know. But as I also said earlier, I don't accept his out of context quote
#120. To: Zipporah (#118)
have you ever read the Northwoods document?
#121. To: Starwind, robin (#109)
Again options on what? when did they expire? for whom were they bought? When options expire without being exercised the profit is lost. Options that aren't "claimed" didn't get exercised, so how are "profits" on expired and unclaimed options determined, pray tell?
#122. To: tom007 (#121)
And the real question ??is, why would you try to obfuscate? and defend this evil explotive operation????
#123. To: Starwind (#120)
In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS.
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba [includes cover memoranda], March 13, 1962, TOP SECRET, 15 pp.
#124. To: Zipporah, Starwind (#123)
#125. To: robin (#124)
while Americans were still about to die in New Orleans, that's criminal, not incompetence. Forcing the victims out of the state, destroying their homes out from under them, that's criminal, not incompetence.
#126. To: Zipporah, Starwind (#125)
#127. To: robin (#126)
I actually forgot Larry popped up in New Orleans after Katrina.
#128. To: Zipporah (#127)
#129. To: Starwind (#117)
I honestly don't believe they are anywhere near smart enough. I don't believe they would start out with 9/11 as "the plan". I'm willing to believe they botched the detection, prevention, and reaction so badly (ala Katrina) that a lot of really bad decisions were made and covered up.
#130. To: Kamala, ALL (#129)
#131. To: Elliott Jackalope, Orangedog (#35)
However, I also have VLC (Video Lan Client) software, which is freeware, and that played it just fine.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
http://video.google.com/videogvp/LooseChange2ndEditio.gvp?docid=- 5137581991288263801
#132. To: robin (#114)
Let me ask you this, do you think Bush could have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, crammed the Patriot Act down our throats, started the DHS, and illegally wiretapped on Americans, w/o 9/11?
#133. To: Starwind (#131)
#134. To: Zipporah (#133)
#135. To: Starwind (#131)
#136. To: Starwind (#134)
Thank you.
#137. To: Zipporah (#136)
#138. To: robin (#126)
"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."
#139. To: wbales (#132)
#140. To: Starwind (#137)
#141. To: Starwind (#137)
#142. To: Starwind (#85)
Do you know/recall if there is an install-time option to put video in a user- specified folder, and if you move a google video to some other folder (other than the default) will the google player re-play it, or will it only replay from its default folder?
#143. To: christine, zipporah, robin (#141)
#144. To: orangedog, Elliott Jackalope (#142)
#145. To: Starwind (#143)
#146. To: Starwind (#143)
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