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Title: Rand Paul’s Hail Mary
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URL Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_ ... tor_returned_to_the_ideas.html
Published: Nov 11, 2015
Author: Jim Newell
Post Date: 2015-11-11 09:43:45 by Ada
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Views: 774
Comments: 39

The Kentucky senator had little left to lose—and delivered his strongest debate performance yet.

Republican presidential candidate U.S. Sen. Rand Paul at the debate sponsored by Fox Business and the Wall Street Journal at the Milwaukee Theatre, Nov. 10, 2015. Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images

Prior to the fourth Republican presidential debate, Sen. Rand Paul hadn’t made much noise in these melees. He had gotten into some interesting policy arguments about issues like medical marijuana but otherwise never seemed center stage. His most memorable moment came in the second debate when Donald Trump opened the night by calling Paul ugly.

His performance in Tuesday’s debate was inarguably his strongest. He was a main participant in some of the night’s liveliest and most central topics, ably pitching both his tax plan and his foreign policy views. It was on the latter where he especially stood out, because let’s face it: All of the candidates have roughly similar views on taxes, in that they think rates should all go way, way down. That’s why you didn’t see many arguments during that portion—just one guy saying, “10 percent individual, 16 percent for business” and another saying, “no, 14 percent individual, 14 percent for business.” Whatever! On foreign policy, the candidates all roughly agree, too, on a more “muscular” use of American military power abroad and the need to “stand up” to various bogeymen.

Paul’s only move is to make a showy display of what made him an interesting candidate in the first place.

Except Paul. In adopting what we’ll call a less interventionist foreign policy— not exactly the “isolationist” one that Sen. Marco Rubio, like many hawks before him, has ascribed to Paul—the Kentucky senator, really, was the only markedly different candidate on the stage in either domestic or international policy. This is not new for him. But in the months leading up to his campaign launch and the disappointing months that he’s been an official candidate, Paul hedged in an unsuccessful effort to ditch the “isolationist” label. He is now low in both polls and funds, with little left to lose. His only move, really, is to make a showy display of what made him an interesting candidate in the first place. Maybe it will kill him off; maybe it won’t. But he was going to be dead anyway.

Any neutral observer would look at his exchange with Rubio (and, by proxy, every other candidate) over military spending and declare Rubio the winner. Rubio is a forceful debater, and he represents hawkish, mainstream Republican foreign policy thinking. According to a Pew survey earlier this year, to give just one example, 67 percent of Republican voters supported the deployment of American ground troops to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria—up 10 percentage points from a Pew survey conducted just a few months earlier. So it’s no surprise that Rubio got the lion’s share of the applause following this exchange:

RUBIO: I know that Rand is a committed isolationist. I’m not. I believe the world is a stronger and a better place when the United States is the strongest military power in the world.

PAUL: Marco! Marco! How is it conservative, how is it conservative to add a trillion-dollar expenditure for the federal government that you’re not paying for? How is it conservative? How is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? You cannot be a conservative if you’re going to keep promoting new programs you’re not going to pay for.

RUBIO: We can’t even have an economy if we’re not safe. There are radical jihadists in the Middle East beheading people and crucifying Christians. The Chinese taking over the South China Sea. Yes, I believe the world is a safer—no, I don’t believe, I know the world is a safer and better place when America is the strongest military power in the world.

PAUL: Marco, I don’t think we’re any safer. I do not think we are any safer from bankruptcy court. As we go further and further into debt, we become less and less safe. This is the most important thing we’re going to talk about tonight. Can you be a conservative and be liberal on military spending? Can you be for unlimited military spending and say, “I’m going to make the country safe?” We need a safe country, but we spend more on our military than the next 10 countries combined? I want a strong national defense. But I don’t want us bankrupt.

Instead of suggesting this was a loss for Paul, it seemed to be mutually beneficial to each candidate. Rubio offered the proper answer for someone who’s aiming to be the consensus GOP candidate. Paul’s was the proper answer for an outsider with nothing to lose. If he can unite all those Republican voters who don’t support a hawkish foreign policy (libertarians, paleoconservatives, and really anyone who’s tired of all that), he will have united a not-insignificant number of voters. Yes, as Rand’s father can attest, courting that segment of the party brings with it a low ceiling. But unless Paul tries something, his ceiling is about 5 percent, and his fundraising capacity dried up.

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Paul and Kasich are the smartest Republicans on the stage and, of course, have absolutely no shot at the nomination. More...

-Celery Salt 9 CommentsJoin In Rand Paul’s presidential hopes mostly went out the window in mid-2014 when the Islamic State released videos of beheaded Americans. Those videos ended whatever post-Bush infighting existed within the Republican Party about the wisdom of rampant overseas intervention, and those videos prompted Paul to hedge. That hedging didn’t endear him to the hawks at all, though it did depress his libertarian fan base. The result was a dud of a campaign.

He might as well go for the Hail Mary now and position himself as the person he truly is: the only candidate who’s skeptical of a recklessly robust American military, an infinitely funded Pentagon. If he can at least gain traction with the people he was supposed to have gained traction with long ago, it buys him a little more time. And that’s what it’s all about.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Pretty slick move calling him Marco, Marco.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-11-11   9:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Fred Mertz (#1)

He's still not the man his father is.

Ada  posted on  2015-11-11   10:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#2)

A pale shadow of a smudged 3rd-generation copy.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-11   10:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#2)

He's still not the man his father is.

Ron was a fraud.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-11   11:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Ada  posted on  2015-11-11   11:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ada (#5)

Well put! Very well put!

Extremely well put!!!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-11   11:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: NeoconsNailed (#6)

I can't take credit for it. Don't know who originally said it, but it was not I.

Ada  posted on  2015-11-11   14:12:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ada (#2)

He's still not the man his father is.

Rand is worthless and is going nowhere except the senate. He threw away his libertarian supporters and mainstream Republicans don't trust him.

DWornock  posted on  2015-11-11   15:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: DWornock (#8)

Spot-on analysis, thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-11   15:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ada (#7)

Voltaire had that genius observation.

Thanks for remembering it.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-11   15:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ada, Lod, 4um (#7) (Edited)

Don't know who originally said it, but it was not I.

Maybe this will help/: en.wikipedi a.org /wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good

I still don't understand either one.

Edit: OK, I get it now: "The meaning of "The perfect is the enemy of the good" is that we might never complete a task if we have decided not to stop until it is perfect. In that sense, completing the project well ("the good") is made impossible by striving to complete it perfectly. The American equivalent is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," which cautions against trying to make something better that is already working well."

Oh, the old "That's the way we've always done it!" gambit.

Shoulda known.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-11-11   16:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: DWornock (#8)

Rand is worthless and is going nowhere except the senate. He threw away his libertarian supporters and mainstream Republicans don't trust him.

Quite so. Actually, they were his father's libertarian supporters who he took for granted because where else could they go? Also, I suspect he employed a DC insider professional staff, a mistake his father did not make. (Ron brought his staff from Texas.)

Ada  posted on  2015-11-11   17:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Esso (#11)

In election terms, it translates as don't reject a good candidate because you disagree on a few points. The logical inverse (anti-tangent maybe? I'm not a philosophy major, but y'all can suss out what I mean. Inserting a bunch of pseudo intellectual blather I looked up a few seconds prior to posting adds nothing) may be 'a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil'.

They kill good trees to put out bad newspapers. - James G. Watt

Dakmar  posted on  2015-11-11   17:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dakmar (#13)

'a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil'.

Ha! Voting. Right.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-11-11   18:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Esso (#14) (Edited)

Try it some time, hippie! :)

They kill good trees to put out bad newspapers. - James G. Watt

Dakmar  posted on  2015-11-11   18:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Esso (#11)

You're doing fine. Another def could be don't have such high standards in judging that nobody's good enough for you / trashing everything that doesn't meet them may mean throwing out what (or who's) very good if not great.

IOW, Ron Paul has his faults but who out there doesn't. Even if it's true he never intended to win the prez he did a bangup job of embarrassing the rest of CONgress (and keeping crucial truth in circulation) for over two decades.

You know, I don't entirely fault somebody like him for keeping the money (one of the main complaints often lodged). He gave up what was no doubt a lucrative career for a job that took him 1500 miles from home for much of the year till age 78. Yeah, it pays impressively but think of the hassle of the job itself and spending two to three years running all over the country countering Dummacrat and RINO trash with politically-incorrect reality. How big a social

Truth movement leaders, IMHO, deserve all the money and perks that legitimately come their way. I don't know what kind of house or salary D. James Kennedy (for instance) used to enjoy, but if his large congregation rewarded him lavishly I'd say more power to him. Could you imagine the hours you'd have to put in running ANYTHING that large -- people (mostly ingrates, many idiots) constantly getting on you like leeches with various concerns you were expected to remember forever etc plus the media hating your guts?

Hellevangelists like John Hagee -- totally different story.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-11   18:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: NeoconsNailed, cynicom (#16)

IOW, Ron Paul has his faults but who out there doesn't

LOL, NN, everyone here voted for Ron (except Cynicom), it's Rand that's gone all icky.

They kill good trees to put out bad newspapers. - James G. Watt

Dakmar  posted on  2015-11-11   18:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ada (#12)

Actually, they were his father's libertarian supporters who he took for granted because where else could they go?

We may not have anywhere else to go. However, we don't have to vote and I won't.

DWornock  posted on  2015-11-14   14:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: DWornock (#18)

It it were Hillary vs. Rand, I'd go to the polls.

Ada  posted on  2015-11-15   8:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar (#13)

Inserting a bunch of pseudo intellectual blather I looked up a few seconds prior to posting adds nothing

I like that. I read an article a few months ago that said the internet makes people believe that they're smarter than they really are. But it tends to work the opposite for me -- whenever I look something up, I realize that there are tons of people who are a whole lot smarter than I am.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-15   8:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: StraitGate (#20)

There's nothing funnier to me that a dolt with room temperature IQ and an imagined grievance lecturing people that know how to raise their children and a barn if needed.

They kill good trees to put out bad newspapers. - James G. Watt

Dakmar  posted on  2015-11-16   20:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: StraitGate (#20)

I read an article a few months ago that said the internet makes people believe that they're smarter than they really are. But it tends to work the opposite for me -- whenever I look something up, I realize that there are tons of people who are a whole lot smarter than I am.

Big amen to that.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-16   20:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dakmar (#21)

a barn if needed.

Raising a barn. Now that's one for the books. Not very many timber framers around any longer. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-16   20:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: BTP Holdings (#23)

More Jobs Americans Just Wont Do! :)

They kill good trees to put out bad newspapers. - James G. Watt

Dakmar  posted on  2015-11-16   21:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ada (#19)

It it were Hillary vs. Rand, I'd go to the polls.

Why? It wouldn't make any difference so why give legitimacy to voting?

DWornock  posted on  2015-11-19   13:37:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: NeoconsNailed, BTP Holdings, christine, randge, Itistoolate, HAPPY2BME-4UM, purplerose, Artisan, Lod, Ada (#16)

Even if it's true he never intended to win the prez....

If the RINOs had joined him in a group hug of true conservative values, and if most who really despise the power hungry, "Growing Like Topsy" govt had voted their professed values instead of marching in two party lockstep behind the Judas goats, America could have been transformed.

But, when Ron was made invisible before, during and after televised debates that he had actually won, it was obvious that he had triggered the worst fears of those who can make a Mercedes accelerate fast enough to guarantee a fatal collision. It isn't even necessary to control the steering because the car will eventually find its path blocked by an object of sufficient lethal mass, and possibly loaded with petrol for added effect.

My fellow 4nicators may not have given this much thought, but a large share of Americans still use rabbit ears, and with no cable or Internet they were likely clueless about Ron Paul, his sterling (and exceptional) rep for integrity and his loyalty to the principle of "bind them down with the chains of The Constitution".

And, despite the endless dirty tricks Ron refused to cry foul, which would have opened the door for hecklers who were waiting to cackle about any non sequitur he provided as ammo.

Why invisible? Because the designated hit men were simply unable to attack his policies, lest the taboo subjects be raised for public debate.

EXAMPLE: Years ago Sen. Roth sent me a letter asking if I believed that income taxes:

A Should be raised, or....

B Stay the same.

Despite my great care in looking over the mailing for another choice, one that seemed obvious and most desirable to me but unthinkable to Sen. Roth, Option C was nowhere to be found.

Ergo, Ron Paul's enemies' hands were tied and they were unable to attack his platform without endearing him to the hearts of multi millions, many of whom may have registered to vote for the first time if the right man for the job was on the ticket.

And, even if Ron was undeterred by hints that the laws of physics could be tragically used against him (Wellstone) he has many dearly loved (and vulnerable) family members, and a "credible promise" of misfortune involving them would certainly have given the very courageous Senator reason enough to choke his campaign afterburners.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-19   15:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26)

Great break-down, thanks.

I do not doubt that RP could have received a Ross Perot memo at all.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-19   15:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#27)

I do not doubt that RP could have received a Ross Perot memo at all.

My thoughts exactly.

And, I remember the cruel hazing from the paid "doubters" who scoffed at Perot's assertions that there were plans to smear his daughter and disrupt her wedding.

He should have threatened to out himself and "...his secret love affair with Bush the Elder". That would have taught the bastards! And, that's one issue the grubby men (The White House Gardeners?) wouldn't want to belabor on national TV.

He could have called in to Larry King's show and said, "I'm still not convinced that it's all a Perot dirty trick. I mean, would a Republican do such a thing? Explain it some more!" HAH!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-19   16:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: HOUNDDAWG (#28)

Politics is the dirtiest, most corrupt, and most evil business out there.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-19   17:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26)

Despite my great care in looking over the mailing for another choice, one that seemed obvious and most desirable to me but unthinkable to Sen. Roth, Option C was nowhere to be found.

That's our beltway babysitters! The income tax, one of the greatest plagues ever thrown on a civilized country, is rarely mentioned by them but is nevertheless sacrosanct. Like the "validity of the public debt" in the shocking 14th Amendment, it "shall not be questioned" much less trashed.

Roth -- isn't that an Italian name? /sarc

Had forgotten Wellstone. We need a master listing of their hits. Once Ron Paul's wife was on an airplane flight that got into trouble -- this was seen as a possible warning at him.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-19   18:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Lod (#29)

Politics is the dirtiest, most corrupt, and most evil business out there.

And the dirtiest scumbags in the private sector associate with the politicos, either greasing the elected or bribing the black robed scoundrels.

Imagine a federal judge Alcee Hastings being impeached, convicted and removed from the bench. Because the senate refused to bar him from future govt service he's now a congressman from Florida.

The senate that refused to convict an obviously guilty Bill Clinton was no doubt thinking, "Hell, if you impeach and convict a president then next you'll be trying to impeach a US Senator!"

And, as you know a senate seat is for life, and the only way they wanna leave is feet first while some tireless paramedic performs CPR until his arms turn blue.

And, if they ever perfect that "brain in a jar" technology (like the old B movie, "THEY SAVED HITLER'S BRAIN") no US Senator will ever again retire. Instead of bodies the chamber will be packed with jars, with 200 yr old brains bubbling in that special life preserving liquid.

And whenever some hotshot challenger suggests that a senator (or, whatever's left of him or her) is too old to serve, their "faithful, dedicated and highly paid" staffers will tell them that their invaluable experience is needed to keep America humming like a Lotus engine.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-19   18:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)

I just read that exchange again at the top. Rubio calls Rand a "committed isolationist" -- so they're still trotting out the I-word even as amerika goes broke and melts into a crime-ridden hellhole because of welfare/warfare economics. This is too hard to take!

The RINOS are still pounding this imperial line. In the Jewb Bush ad that Youtube won't stop playing he tells a crowd (probably rented) "America can't dictate to the world, but it still must lead the world." Rubio's a full time warmonger as his main platform. These people are globalists as if they're trying for head of the CFR or something!

It's simply mind-numbing. To them the business of amerika is everybody else's business while their real Constitutional duties are laughed at. When Randypoo comes off looking better than some other candied date, you know we're in trouble.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-19   18:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: NeoconsNailed (#30)

Like the "validity of the public debt" in the shocking 14th Amendment, it "shall not be questioned....

Imagine after joining the Boy Scouts of America, buying a uniform, taking an oath, learning a bunch of woodcraft and earning your "Tote & Chip Card" (entitled to use hatchets and axes on camping trips and outings) you find that you can never quit the org.

In fact any attempt to do so will result in a fleet of armed ships firing on your beach front home and killing your Mama!

Well, I wonder, how many states North (if you'll pardon the goddam expression, Colonel) or South would have ratified the Constitution if they knew that they were about to elevate all future despots above them?

If there was a time machine (The BEN FRANKLIN LOOK AHEAD AL-MACHINE-MINAC) and the state reps from 1776-1791 could see our govt today, what would they have done?

Perhaps it would be like Mel Brooks as Governor William J. Le Petomane in Blazing Saddles:

"Are you crazy? Can't you see that man is a ni---.....Excuse me..."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-19   18:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: NeoconsNailed (#32)

I just read that exchange again at the top. Rubio calls Rand a "committed isolationist" -- so they're still trotting out the I-word even as amerika goes broke and melts into a crime-ridden hellhole because of welfare/warfare economics. This is too hard to take!

The RINOS are still pounding this imperial line. In the Jewb Bush ad that Youtube won't stop playing he tells a crowd (probably rented) "America can't dictate to the world, but it still must lead the world." Rubio's a full time warmonger as his main platform. These people are globalists as if they're trying for head of the CFR or something!

It's simply mind-numbing. To them the business of amerika is everybody else's business while their real Constitutional duties are laughed at. When Randypoo comes off looking better than some other candied date, you know we're in trouble.

My Brutha, you are on a roll!

Great post.

Anyone who suggests that every billion bux spent on the latest state of the art weapons/electronics/spy-satellite-gear/ could be put to better use is an enemy of the MIC, and by natural extension an enemy of The Republic. "BIG TOMAHAWK'S" share of the budget "is not to be questioned". Those who don't get the message may soon find themselves in political rehab.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-19   19:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)

A few years ago the "U.S. Senate Select Committee on Ethics" imposed a fine on me for allegedly violating one of their myriad election rules. I don't think their chief counsel even saw the irony in the U.S. Senate having a "committee on ethics". That's kind of like having a chapel in a whorehouse.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-19   21:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: StraitGate (#35)

It must be so easy for them to just fine people, especially non-plutocrats whoe dare challenge them. So convenient!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-20   0:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: StraitGate (#35)

A few years ago the "U.S. Senate Select Committee on Ethics" imposed a fine on me for allegedly violating one of their myriad election rules. I don't think their chief counsel even saw the irony in the U.S. Senate having a "committee on ethics". That's kind of like having a chapel in a whorehouse.

Now THAT'S PHUNNIE!

Hey, ethics are a wonderful thing....in moderation. When the distinguished Senator from Alaska Ted Stevens "...was indicted by a federal grand jury on seven counts of failing to properly report gifts,[73][74] a felony,[75]"(WIKI) his jury conviction was set aside because of "prosecutorial misconduct".

His defense team quickly released a statement that claimed that Stevens had "...served with distinction for 40 years in the U.S. Senate."[108](WIKI)

So, the old saying that "An indictment is not a conviction" has over time morphed into, "Hey, a set aside conviction is the same as innocent", and we're supposed to believe that Ted "served with distinction" his entire career before being entrapped by evidence that created the illusion of guilt.

So, The U.S. Senate Select Committee on Ethics held you accountable for whatever (I'm betting that it didn't involve personal enrichment) despite glaring examples of senators and reps who enter office as thousandaires and retire as multimillionaires.

Conclusion?

Why, you're a political criminal, of course. You've been judged by your betters, members of the most elite CLUB OF 100, so, as I am a good American with complete faith in our govt I think it best if we don't chat innymore....;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-22   0:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)

I'm betting that it didn't involve personal enrichment

Correct. I filed a report late -- after having been advised by a U.S. Senate staffer/bureaucrat that I wasn't required to file said report at all.

So, the old saying that "An indictment is not a conviction"...

Sadly, an indictment on federal charges is practically a conviction, at least for us mundanes. About 95% of federal indictments end with plea bargains, and 95% of federal trials end with convictions. So when fedgov decides to ruin your life, all they have to do is seat a grand jury that will rubber stamp an indictment against you. After which you have a 1 in 400 chance of walking, and even if you walk, you will walk away much poorer.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-22   8:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: StraitGate (#38)

So, the old saying that "An indictment is not a conviction"...

Sadly, an indictment on federal charges is practically a conviction, at least for us mundanes. About 95% of federal indictments end with plea bargains, and 95% of federal trials end with convictions. So when fedgov decides to ruin your life, all they have to do is seat a grand jury that will rubber stamp an indictment against you. After which you have a 1 in 400 chance of walking, and even if you walk, you will walk away much poorer.

Right, understood. And, as I've written many times, "Nobody can stack a jury like the Feds."

I was using the quote to refer to characters with shady pasts seeking public office, often parodied in films. I don't actually know of any real world examples of its use. Shady characters with political aspirations and the right backing are seldom exposed to public scrutiny for their pasts.

But, paperwork negligent crims such as yourself deserve to be exposed and hounded until you retreat into the woods and live out your remaining years in some abandoned shack. ;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2015-11-22   22:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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