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Title: People who curse a lot have better vocabularies than those who don't, study finds
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URL Source: http://www.sciencealert.com/people- ... an-those-who-don-t-study-finds
Published: Dec 16, 2015
Author: BEC CREW
Post Date: 2015-12-16 06:56:44 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 3818
Comments: 129

Science Alert...

If someone’s ever accused you of sounding less intelligent because you swear too much, don't worry - science has got your back. A new study has found that those who have a healthy repertoire of curse words at their disposal are more likely to have a richer vocabulary than those who don’t.

This challenges the long-held stereotype that people swear because they can’t find more intelligent words with which to express themselves. As Stephen Fry once said, "The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest is just f*cking lunatic."

Psychologists Kristin Jay and Timothy Jay of Marist College and the Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts (not clear if related) came up with the hypothesis that people who are well-versed in curse words are more likely to have greater overall language fluency too.

For the first experiment, they gathered 43 participants (30 women) aged between 18 and 22 years, and first asked them to rattle off as many swear or taboo words as they could in 60 seconds. Next, they had to recite as many animal names as they could in 60 seconds. The researchers used animal names as an indication of a person's overall vocabulary and interest in language.

As any intelligible American English taboo word or phrase was considered fair game, the participants ended up generating a total of 533 taboo words, including the rather obscure "cum dumpster" and "ass pirate". The participants also submitted to so-called FAS tasks, which are standardised verbal fluency tests.

In a second experiment, another 49 participants (34 women) aged between 18 and 22 were asked to perform a similar task - this time they were asked to write down as many curse words and animal names starting with the letter "a" as they could. They also completed FAS tasks to assess their overall language fluency.

Publishing in the journal Language Sciences, the researchers also found that expressive curse words were generated at higher rates than slurs, and there was little difference between what the female and male participants could come up with. "[C]onsistent with findings that do not show a sex difference in taboo lexicon size, no overall sex difference in taboo word generation was obtained," they report.

They found that the ability to generate curse words was not an index of overall language poverty - in fact, they found that taboo fluency is positively correlated with other measures of verbal fluency.

"That is, a voluminous taboo lexicon may better be considered an indicator of healthy verbal abilities rather than a cover for their deficiencies," the researchers conclude. "Speakers who use taboo words understand their general expressive content as well as nuanced distinctions that must be drawn to use slurs appropriately. The ability to make nuanced distinctions indicates the presence of more rather than less linguistic knowledge, as implied by the POV [Poverty of Vocabulary] view."

Now, of course, it should be said that the sample size for this study was small, but until a larger cohort can be assessed, we can look to one of the greatest living masters of the English language, Stephen Fry, for his view. Watch below as he discusses the joys of swearing, and feel that sweet, sweet vindication. But just remember: dropping "ass pirate" into a job interview is still not advised.

Read these next:

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Uncouth who vent their follies verbally would tend to be more pedantic as a result of this exercise.

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#82. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Did the study control for circumcision?

A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2015-12-17   13:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Cynicom (#35)

So why doesnt 4um start promoting Trump?

I can't think of any good reason not to support him.

Not that he can "make America great again". He can't.

But because the anti-white Republican establishment needs to be destroyed.

I think those stridently against him here are not honest about their motives.

A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2015-12-17   13:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#83)

Not that he can "make America great again". He can't.

America is going down.

I would rather go down fighting versus on our knees like we are now.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-12-17   13:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Cynicom (#84)

I appreciate that sentiment. Better to die well.

A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2015-12-17   13:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: StraitGate (#81)

this comes from someone who understands that repression of emotions and/or thoughts, and fear of expressing them, is very unhealthy and disfunctional.

Good point, Artisan; I agree. But aren't we talking about how one expresses his thoughts and emotions? An occasional outburst is quite understandable; after all, the world is full of annoyances large and small. But someone who doesn't even try to bridle his tongue, but continually spews crass filthiness, is selfish and rude. Obscene language is litter to the hearer's (or reader's) mind, like the trash that invading "refugees" are now leaving on the side of formerly pristine German roadways.

Very well said, and Scripture backs up your point (or i should probably say that you endorse the Scriptural instruction). i don't know the verses but they are probably easy to find. There is one about it's not important what goes into your mouth, (referring to all the Jewish rules,) but rather, it's important what comes out of one's mouth.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-17   13:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#83)

I can't think of any good reason not to support him.

Not that he can "make America great again". He can't.

But because the anti-white Republican establishment needs to be destroyed.

I think those stridently against him here are not honest about their motives.

As for me, i'm not 'stridently' against trump,. i'm sort of ambivalent about him.

but i simply point out he is a complete jew toady, always has been, he admits it, who says a lot of evil neocon shit. especially lately, he has been amping it up. if cruz or rubio said the exact same lines, they'd be demonized here at 4um. that is the absurdity of it all. people are mesmerized by these MFing actor politicians like 7th grade schoolgirls. I would expect more from a caliber of 4um,. it is a bit too much.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-17   13:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: All (#87)

gee, i'm sorry i cussed twice in a thread about how bad cussing is. see what i mean about how it's engrained? sorry about that to anyone offended. ;-/

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-17   13:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Artisan (#88)

Dirty words in the news :-3

Justice! In September, federal judge Cathy Seibel ordered the town of Liberty, New York (100 miles from New York City), to stand trial for failure to teach police and prosecutors proper free-speech law -- thus giving plaintiff Willian Barboza revenge for his arrest for writing a "crude" message on the speeding ticket he paid three years ago. Seibel ruled that Barboza's phrase (urging intercourse upon the manure-like town) posed no "imminent" threat and, besides, was obviously just a complaint about government services. Seibel also raised the possibility that money damages will come from the prosecutor's own pocket. [Associated Press via Yahoo News, 9-16-2015]

www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-17   14:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Artisan (#87)

but i simply point out he is a complete jew toady, always has been, he admits it, who says a lot of evil neocon shit.

I think you're plain wrong.

How many Jews were happy that, in response to questioning the feasibility of a wall, he said "Ask Israel".

By opposing Trump, Jewish Republicans are running a real risk of raising too much cognitive dissonance in the base.

Bring it on.

A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2015-12-17   17:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#90)

but i simply point out he is a complete jew toady, always has been, he admits it, who says a lot of evil neocon shit.

I think you're plain wrong.

what exactly do you think i'm wrong about? The jew stuff he's been babbling for YEARS, he says he's been pro israel since he was born just like his daddy. he endorses bibi in hebrew, his first ad says he will "PROTECT ISRAEL."

the anti-gun, open border stuff hes been advocating for years also.

So when you say "I'm wrong", do you say I'm wrong to point out Trump's own words and record? or I'm wrong because you support all his stated positions?

This is just a starter:

MORE INFO ON TRUMP:

MUST SEE VIDEO: "My name is Donald Trump and I'm a BIG FAN of Israel" (Trump Endorses Netanyahu 1/15/13)

Donald Trump Endorsement for Prime Minister Netanyahu
Published on Jan 15, 2013 - In an unprecedented move, the U.S. billionaire and world-renowned entrepreneur, Mr. Donald Trump, took part in a video showing his support for the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu and The Likud Party in general elections in Israel next week: "Vote for Benjamin, terrific guy, terrific leader, great for Israel."

Donal Trump Wishes Israel Happy 60th Birthday in New York Times Square Celebration May 13, 2008

In the month of May 2008, on the Reuters and Nasdaq screens (next to the police station) are showing clips of Hollywood stars greeting "Happy Birthday" to the 60th Anniversary of the state of Israel.

Here is Trump's waffling on immigration, backing away from his support of amnesty now that he's pretending to be a 'conservative.'

Excerpts from: Trump Does Drastic 180 on Syrian Immigrants In less Than A Month, His Desperate, Gullible Supporters Don't Even Notice

"I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, with what's happening, you have to." - Donald Trump on Syrian refugees into the United States, less than 30 days ago


This week, it was reported: Donald Trump says he'd send back Syrian refugees taken in by the US

But less than a month ago, he said what he would really do, the exact opposite! It was widely reported worldwide:

On guns, Trump has openly called for gun bans, and to this day supports longer waiting lists and 'background checks.' And in a recent interview with a gun rights group, he did not retract his position on assault weapons ban, but rather quibbled about the defintion of what's considered an assault weapon.


Here are some of the priceless comments from the gun rights forum from people who don't fall for Trump's b.s.:

MUST READS:

....

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-17   18:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: All, neoconsnailed, straitgate, greylmist, titorite (#91)

Donald Trump Vows To 'Protect Israel' In First Campaign Radio Ad 11/8/15

Listen to it here:

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-17   18:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Artisan (#92) (Edited)

Donald Trump Vows To 'Protect Israel' In First Campaign Radio Ad

We always knew this was the case with Trump. Now the question is, what can we do about it, and who is the best choice for President? Trump is a wolf in sheep's clothing. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-12-17   18:24:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: BTP Holdings (#93)

I vote for "none of the above". It's far from perfect but gives me a cleaner conscience.

Trump appears to be evolving our way on good things, but appearances can deceive, and have done so quite consistently with GOP presidents going back at least since...... well, don't make me conjure that rogue's gallery again.

There is only one thing to do -- keep the rightward pressure on him and hope for a miracle.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-17   18:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: NeoconsNailed (#94)

vote for "none of the above". It's far from perfect but gives me a cleaner conscience.

Trump appears to be evolving our way on good things, but appearances can deceive, and have done so quite consistently with GOP presidents going back at least since...... well, don't make me conjure that rogue's gallery again.

There is only one thing to do -- keep the rightward pressure on him and hope for a miracle.

that very brief list i posted above of Chump's documented record would make anyone here RECOIL in disgust immediately if it were ANYONE else, any candidate of any party.

But because he's a gruff actor reading good lines, they fall for it hook line and sinker.

it's a very peculiar phenomenon to observe.. (and 'peculiar' is putting it VERY NICELY.)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-17   19:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: NeoconsNailed (#76)

How did you get that out of it?

Read this, or try to, anyway. I had to quit reading it after a few sentences, it was that annoying

Black Matriarchy: Deconstruction of the Black Family

Count the stereotypes and win useless prizes!

"Besides, I was anxious to take the wheel, the man in pink pyjamas showing himself a hopeless duffer at the business." - Marlow

Dakmar  posted on  2015-12-17   19:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Artisan (#87)

people are mesmerized by these MFing actor politicians like 7th grade schoolgirls. I would expect more from a caliber of 4um,. it is a bit too much.

Martin, I disagree. Everyone here has said they hate his neoconism and hate his support of Israel and sickening praise of Netanyahu. But you know very well that if he didn't do that, he'd not have a chance in hell. There is no politician except for Ron Paul that has ever spoken out against Israel. You saw what happened to him. Anti-semite. Anti-semite.

Given that we're either going to get Jeb or Hillary if Trump weren't in the race, don't you agree that with Trump we at least have a chance to fix some very important issues? For me, it's amusing and satisfying to see what he's done to Jeb! Who can stand the thought of another F'ing (see my amazing vocab?) Bush or Clinton in the WH!

christine  posted on  2015-12-17   20:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine (#97)

It is amazing how many people would rather go down with the ship (Clinton/Bush) instead of taking a chance in a lifeboat.

The lifeboat may not make it, but there is a chance. The USA Titanic is half under water already.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-12-17   20:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: christine (#97)

Given that we're either going to get Jeb or Hillary if Trump weren't in the race

I have to ask, where are all these primary votes for Jeb coming from? Do they, the Bush family, have that large a beloved following, frightened workers, or insincere officialdom? I don't know anyone who likes Jeb Bush.

"Besides, I was anxious to take the wheel, the man in pink pyjamas showing himself a hopeless duffer at the business." - Marlow

Dakmar  posted on  2015-12-17   20:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: christine (#97)

he's not gonna deport anyone, i will put money on it.

first of all people here do not even seem to be familiar with the US Immigration system and they have NO CLUE how it actually works. I on the other hand, do.

I accomplished things that most people spend thousands and thousands of dollars to lawyer to do in immigration court. I dont need lawyers.

people can't simply be 'kicked out' or 'tossed out' of the USA.

every one of these '11 million' which is actually more like 25 million or more, would be legally entitled to a lengthy and convoluted immigration hearing, with appeals, etc. This is assuming the govt could find them.

that is the law. I bet no one here has ever even HEARD of such a thing.

Instead, people think its some sort of huckleberry hound cartoon episode,.

furthermore, if people here listened to the pro-european nationalist shows such as david duke and his guests, they'd realize that those people in the know are actually WISE to the TRUMP SCAM, they don't trust him one bit. he even said he'd "let the good illegals back in." I pasted it above. does ANYONE here even read what trump actually says? can't they see how f-ing stupid those lines are that trump's reading? Do people here want "the good ones to come back in"?

He's reading his script to trick and sucker the people. that's all.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-17   20:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Artisan (#100)

Art...

I find 4um members to be rather well read, intelligent, non deserving of such damnation and vitriol.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-12-17   20:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Artisan (#100)

The good news about your rants is that they're contained to an audience of a few dozen, the bad part is they are becoming borderline obsessive. Trump is a better bet than Hillary for countless reasons, all of which are domestic in nature. On foreign policy all these candidates are a push, altho kudos to Trump for opposing the ‘03 Iraqi war and Hillary's deposing of Gaddafi in Libya. So that’s it. If the choice is Hillary or Trump I’m voting for Trump 2x, once in PA and once in NJ. It's really simple stuff. Rage on.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/mooning/rude-santa-claus.gif

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-12-17   20:55:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Artisan (#100)

every one of these '11 million' which is actually more like 25 million or more, would be legally entitled to a lengthy and convoluted immigration hearing, with appeals, etc. This is assuming the govt could find them.

Says who? Obama? Is an illegal who is apprehended crossing our Southern border by a border patrol agent, "entitled to a lengthy and convoluted immigration hearing" before being returned? Of course not, so tell me why someone who is here illegally x 6-months would be treated differently than a spontaneous apprehension?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-12-17   21:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)

Mexico deports an average of 1200 "illegal Americans" back to the US every month of the year.

Trump could do 10,000 Messican illegals very easily a month.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-12-17   21:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Cynicom (#104)

Mexico has far more draconian immigration laws than does the US.

christine  posted on  2015-12-17   21:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Cynicom (#104) (Edited)

AGree!

Disgusted  posted on  2015-12-17   21:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Cynicom (#104)

30% of the occupants of our prison system are illegals. Further, app that same % are in on our jails waiting trial. If someone believes that a sovereign nation, as damaged as we are, can't deport this subset immediately they're doing drugs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-12-17   21:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Disgusted (#106)

We have "illegal Americans" in Mexico but in the US we have "undocumented refugees".

Trump would adjust that disparity.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-12-17   21:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Cynicom (#101)

Damnation and vitriol????

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-17   22:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Dakmar (#96) (Edited)

Read this, or try to, anyway. I had to quit reading it after a few sentences, it was that annoying

Black Matriarchy: Deconstruction of the Black Family

Pretty tiresome article all right. What I don't get is how matriarchalism is epitomized by a tribe of African savages that farts ritually to commemorate harrassment by muslim slavers 200 years ago. Wild Africans act stupid because wild Africans act stupid. If they're societies are matriarchal, that's just part of the deal.

It must be admitted they've never invented an atom bomb or national bank, the ultimate icons of idiocy..... speaking of which, while this page is still stuck in the 4th dimension, here's a whole page of gliberal nuttiness which includes a backhanded slap at Stormer

www.oddee.com/item_99537.aspx

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-17   23:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Artisan (#95)

Like I said, party politics is religion for most people -- they refuse to listen to reason OR EXPERIENCE.

And they refuse to listen to NN, who asserts again THERE ARE NO CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS FROM NORTHEASTERN STATES and damnably few from anywhere else!!!!

"I'm a political atheist" -- Doug Casey.

"Smarter words were never spoken" -- NN.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-18   0:32:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Jethro Tull (#102)

The good news about your rants is that they're contained to an audience of a few dozen,

Bwahaha! Dream on!

Maybe YOUR posts or shows were heard by 'a few dozen,' mine, try millions. then you'd be getting warmer. That's why the U.S. Congress, Senate, U.N. DOJ, & DHS, Harvard, JPMorgan, etc visit my site every day. Trust me though, they don't visit here. And that's actually one of the reasons i like it here, It's anonymous and private, even though it's a 'public' 4um.

If you like a self proclaimed zionist who's always spouted about banning guns and giving a path to citizenship, that's your choice. have at it. I've already told you at least 3 times i couldn't care less who you cheer for. But I'm an actual conservative and don't fall for the b.s. Good luck with it though. You will need lots of luck.

You never proved anything about your alleged (completely unproven) cheering muzzies, you cant even refute my facts. Trump's record annoys you, because you cannot refute it. It is his own words. Your jew-breitbart link was a complete joke, i went through and shredded it. did you even read or comprehend any of it? No reply.

This is not a place for intellectuals. You are not a skilled debater. Go ahead with your vulgar ad hominem attacks again, since that appears to be your only armor.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-18   0:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Jethro Tull (#103)

Says who? Obama?

there you go talking shit again. I'm doing drugs now, eh?

why don't you do your own research for once?

If you think someone can be deported without an ICE hearing you're clueless. But if it makes you happy, go with it.

have you ever been to court or dealt with USCIS? wait. do you know what USCIS even is?

Life is not a ball game or a sitcom with trump reading the punch lines. He even said that he'd 'let the good ones back in.' You probably don't even know he has said that. Like i said listen to the 20 year old white nationalists, they apparently study this stuff more than you.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-18   0:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Cynicom (#101)

why don't you post what you know about the immigration and deportation process?

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-18   0:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Some (#114) (Edited)

Remember Operation Wetback -- and that a government will do whatever a sufficiently enraged population wants it to. There's a 1 in 10,000 this country will get that mad -- virtually sure never to happen in the TV and fluoride age, bt theoretically possible.

The establishment lives in mortal dread of such an uprising -- that's the interesting part.

See? I just got lured into this endless, circular dustup again too, supporting both sides in the wacko "People who curse a lot have better vocabularies than those who don't, study finds" tradition!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-18   0:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Artisan (#113)

Wow, I hit a nerve I see. I honestly had no idea you were an open border freak, but I should have known given your religious proclivity. The Catholic Church has been nothing short of disgusting when it comes to illegals, but you know this. Incidentally, for someone who loves to take deep bows for your anti govt. positions you sure are compliant when it comes to the open invasion of our nation.

So yeah, illegal aliens in our prison system can be deported and it won't involve impossible judicial hurdles like you & fellow Illegal Lovers like to present. I never said ICE wouldn't be involved I simply challenged your assertion that any administrative hearing would be so cumbersome as to be impossible.

What Are the Grounds of Deportability?

The grounds of deportability are found in Section 237 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (I.N.A.). For example, non-citizens can become deportable if they:

Commit certain types of crimes, most notably an aggravated felony; domestic violence; a crime of moral turpitude (CMT) committed within five years after being admitted to the U.S. or getting a green card, if the prison sentence was for at least one year; or two CMTs not arising out of a single scheme of criminal misconduct.

If you care to go deeper into the subject research Operation Wetback for a legal prescient. I'm sure the ACLU, and other left-wing affiliates are still smarting over the removal of 1.5 million no count Mexicans, but Eisenhower was decisive & resolved the issue satisfactorily.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-12-18   1:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Jethro Tull (#116)

Wow, I hit a nerve I see. I honestly had no idea you were an open border freak, but I should have known given your religious proclivity. The Catholic Church has been nothing short of disgusting when it comes to illegals, but you know this. Incidentally, for someone who loves to take deep bows for your anti govt. positions you sure are compliant when it comes to the open invasion of our nation.

There you go again, just as predicted. You have very little self cotnrol, always attacking the person when youc can't win an argument.

I just posted a brand new thread which should explain to you how the system works,

Just because I know how the system works, does not mean i am for open borders. I'm just not so ignorant as to believe that illegal aliens are "magically put on some bus and driven to TJ" as soon as a cop or border agent picks them up.

That's not how it works. Comprende?

The article explains that appeals courts on the east and west coast just ruled on this in October. They point out that it does indeed drag out for years., just like I told you before.

When someone is scheduled for an immigration hearing they have a right to bond every 6 months, and these things DRAG OUT FOR YEARS., if the person wants them to.

I also posted the actual church teaching on immigration from the CCC. It actually says that nations have a right to secure their borders and kick out illegals. But alas you probably didn't bother reading the actual CCC either because you have your preconceived beliefs to the contrary.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-18   1:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Artisan (#117)

We have all the necessary immigration laws already in place, they simply aren't being followed. As to the 9th Circuit ruling (the most liberal Circuit in the nation), a president with conviction would ignore it, boot illegal prisoners out of the country and let the thugs in black robes piss their pants while they kick it up to the Supremes. If Trump did that the nation (save for the leftist loons/Libertarians) would cheer. Crippling rulings like this can't be ignored you say? They can and are and have been by every past president in my lifetime. All Trump would have to do is ink an EO declaring a national emergency (how about bankruptcy since we're technically in default) and launch Operation Boot the Bastards. It's way past time we stopped being tied up in knots by politically connected lawyers posing as justices.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-12-18   2:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Artisan (#114)

why don't you post what you know about the immigration and deportation process?

To what end?

I have no need nor desire to impress anyone, that is childs play.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-12-18   6:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: NeoconsNailed (#115)

See? I just got lured into this endless, circular dustup again too, supporting both sides in the wacko "People who curse a lot have better vocabularies than those who don't, study finds" tradition!

We need a new thread to keep this going. How about "People who don't know algebra are better at math than people who do, study finds" ?

StraitGate  posted on  2015-12-18   7:17:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: StraitGate (#120)

702 views and rising........

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-18   7:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Jethro Tull (#118)

well finally a normal reply without name calling, great job JT.

You say we already have laws in place, and you're right. No.1 law being ignored is that they let illegals swarm in. If your theory is that trump would ignore the long-held & practiced convoluted , dragged-out process of deportation hearings, I think that is pretty far-fetched. Remember, Trump is the guy who not even 90 days ago said that the USA needs to let more muslim refugee immigrants swarm in from Syria. I posted about 5 links just above documenting his insane open-border words, including a link from your favorite site, breitbart! He then flipped 180 27 days later, and said he'd kick the ones he let in, out. Anyone discerning who listens to what this clown says can see it is completely contradictory silliness. You claim I'm an 'open border freak'? Yeah im friends with jim gilcrhsit and barb coe and terry anderson and sonny sardo and im for open borders, JT. do you know how stupid that sounds?

I'm not the one who said we need to let muslims from syria swarm in here, your hero Trump said that stupid shit. Got it???

That's what I mean by MINDLESS. This place is absolutely mindless.

BTW this deportation hearing process wasn't established 2 months ago with those east and west coat rulings- it's been there for YEARS. all those rulings did was allow MULTIPLE bail hearings every six months.)

If you think trump will go in there and turn the whole thing on its head, that is very hopeful on your part but I'd say naive thinking. I would actually like for him to explain in detail how he plans to pull this off, instead of talking in vague sound bytes. The fact is that you trust politicians way more than i do. This guy's policy position record does not prove him trustworthy.

Now I just got at least a dozen new posters for this place yesterday, maybe more. Because i get things done. As far as i know there probably would have been many more, if it wasn't for all these personal attacks you've been rampaging the past few days. Unless you're trying to sabotage christine's forum why don't you stop acting like a venemous _____ and scaring all the new people off. Unless you want this place to remain just the ten regular posters and watch them die off of old age one by one until it's just me and titorite.

and remember, they're coming from the DAILY PAUL, that is a RON PAUL site, and they probably don't support Trump. Get the ____ OVER IT.

You make it VERY DIFFICULT for me to be charitable.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-12-18   10:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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