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Title: Official: Army Has Authority to Spy on Americans
Source: CQ
URL Source: http://cqpolitics.com/cq.com/www.cq ... /public/20060131_homeland.html
Published: Feb 1, 2006
Author: By Jeff Stein, CQ Staff
Post Date: 2006-02-01 11:28:29 by Zipporah
Keywords: Official:, Authority, Americans
Views: 74
Comments: 8

By Jeff Stein, CQ Staff

“Contrary to popular belief, there is no absolute ban on [military] intelligence components collecting U.S. person information,” the U.S.Army’s top intelligence officer said in a 2001 memo that surfaced Tuesday.

Not only that, military intelligence agencies are permitted to “receive” domestic intelligence information, even though they cannot legally “collect” it,” according to the Nov. 5, 2001, memo issued by Lt. Gen. Robert W. Noonan Jr., the deputy chief of staff for intelligence.

“MI [military intelligence] may receive information from anyone, anytime,” Noonan wrote in the memo, obtained by Secrecy News, a newsletter from the non-profit Federation of American Scientists in Washington.

Defense Department and Army regulations “allow collection about U.S. persons reasonably believed to be engaged, or about to engage, in international terrorist activities,” Noonan continued.

“Remember, merely receiving information does not constitute ‘collection’ under AR [Army Regulation] 381-10; collection entails receiving ‘for use,’ ” he added. (Army Regulation 381-10, “U.S. Army Intelligence Activities,” was reissued on Nov. 22, 2005, but had not previously been disclosed publicly.) “Army intelligence may always receive information, if only to determine its intelligence value and whether it can be collected, retained, or disseminated in accordance with governing policy,”

The distinction between “receiving” and “collecting” seems “to offer considerable leeway for domestic surveillance activities under the existing legal framework,” wrote editor Steven Aftergood in Tuesday’s edition of Secrecy News.

“This in turn makes it harder to understand why the NSA domestic surveillance program departed from previous practice.”

Aftergood was alerted to the existence of the memo by another security expert, John Pike of http://GlobalSecurity.org, who thought that “there is enough ambiguity in the language that with a bit of creativity in managing the U.S. persons files there would have been not too much trouble” applying existing rules to the warrantless eavesdropping by the National Security Agency.

TALON Reports

The Pentagon’s Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA) was launched in 2002 with the mission of “gathering information and conducting activities to protect DoD and the nation against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, assassinations, and terrorist activities,” according to a CIFA brochure. Its TALON program has amassed files on antiwar protesters, according to a Pentagon official.

“More than 5,000 TALON reports” were “received and shared throughout the government” in the program’s first year of operation,” Carol A. Haave, deputy undersecretary of Defense for counterintelligence and security, told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in May 2004.

“At that rate, about 12,500 Talon reports would have been filed during the approximately 2½ years the program has existed,” The Washington Post concluded Tuesday.

• Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence: “Collecting Information on U.S. Persons” (pdf)

Edition of AR 381-10 dated July 1, 1984 (in effect until Dec. 22, 2005) (pdf)

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

“More than 5,000 TALON reports” were “received and shared throughout the government” in the program’s first year of operation,”

What does the acronym TALON stand for?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-02-01   12:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Fred Mertz (#1)

TALON is an acronym for Threat and Local Observation Notice

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-01   13:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah, Christine, Diana, All (#0)

For starters, the military's simple "receipt" of information is one thing. They can be blamed for simply opening their mail.

However, they also just defined their limitations, as well.

When a "pattern" of methodical receipt is developed, it goes to "conspiracy." When the military applies that information to a uniquely military operation, the equation radically changes. Enter the so-called "Patriot Act" and the "Posse Comitatus Act." (PCA)

The 'gottcha' is in the mandatory requirement under Title 18 to immediately pass the information on to the appropriate authority - say, the FBI. Failure to do so is "Misprision of a Felony."

If the military insists on re-packaging an active domestic spying program, as a left-handed spying operation, they take on the aura of "Gestapo," at their own peril. Claiming the "right" to do domestic spying might back-fire, big time!

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-02-01   13:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides, Eoghan, Itisa1mosttoolate, Red Jones, Elliot Jackalope, Neil McIver, tom007, BTP Holdings (#0)

ping!

"Our work in Iraq is difficult because our enemy is brutal" - George W. Bush 1/31/06

robin  posted on  2006-02-01   14:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah, Fred Mertz (#2)

TALON is an acronym for Threat and Local Observation Notice

I know for sure I've been under counter-surveillance for at least 6 years.

Screw 'em. ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-02-01   15:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#0)

well, I guess if they can fly a helicopter over a building full of citizens and fire down into it as they did on Feb 28, 1993 at waco tx, then they've got the authority to do a wiretap. and let's not forget how they shot up that school in Ohio after the election last year. by authority of the gun, they can do anything.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-01   19:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Red Jones (#6)

Seems this fellow is in complete agreement with Chairman Mao - "All power comes from the barral of a gun".

tom007  posted on  2006-02-01   20:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Zipporah (#2)

Thank you and screw the overseers.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-02-07   1:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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