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Title: Hilarious Blacksmith Uses Science To Shut Down Insane ‘Fire Can’t Melt Steel’ 9/11 Truthers
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URL Source: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=43753&Disp=All
Published: Dec 19, 2015
Author: Some idiot on the internets
Post Date: 2015-12-22 15:07:46 by Bill D Berger
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Views: 2965
Comments: 37
Give this man a medal. In just two minutes, blacksmith Trenton Tye of Purgatory Ironworks uses science to hilarious effect to mock 9/11 truthers who insist the 2001 terrorist attacks were a conspiracy. And why are these nutters convinced the whole thing was an inside job? Because fire can’t melt steel (Seriously, read through that entire 9/11 conspiracy theory thread. It is amazing.) Tye, a professional metalworker based in Georgia, has had enough. He filmed the following video to prove to science-hating 9/11 conspiracy mongers once and for all that structural steel will absolutely lose its structural integrity if it gets too hot: “So I am taking time out of my busy day to try to put to rest one of the more moronic things I have seen on the Internet lately, and that’s saying something,” Tye tells the camera. “‘Jet fuel only burns at 1,500 degrees and since steel melts at 2,700 degrees, 9/11 was a conspiracy!'” “What I am upset about is the retarded metallurgical things that you guys are saying. I’m not arguing the facts,” Tye says. “Jet fuel does in fact burn at 1,500 degrees. Some carbon steels will start melting at 2,300 degrees. But if you hold this up as a reason for conspiracy, you are an idiot!” To prove his point, Tye compared the structural strength of a room-temperature piece of steel to the strength of one that had been heated to 1,800 degrees in his workshop’s furnace. “It’s very hot, but not melted,” Tye notes by tapping the piece of steel on an anvil. “Half-inch solid steel. Check it out,” Tye says as he bends the solid steel rod back and forth using only his pinkie finger. “It’s a freakin’ noodle!” “Your argument is invalid. Get over it!” Tye exclaims as he drops the mic by dropping the glowing steel rod. “Find a job!” We salute you, Trenton Tye. You are a real American hero. Godspeed. Poster Comment: The usual cast of simpletons over at Liberty's Flame are hailing this ass-clown as an "expert" in building construction and structural design and that this video proves once and for all that the Official Narrative is true. Kevin Ryan has an excellent rebuttal here :
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#1. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
Not exactly "scientific." Who's to know exactly what the provenance of the "steel" he uses is, other than his word? The metal he used as an example was in a forge and appeared to be white hot (no temp measurement available from Mr. Science). Plenty of skyscraper fires afterwards, but no catastrophic collapses. Just sayin'. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. I've tried to tell the conspironuts here many times fire does not melt steel but it softens it - a lot. That comes from being raised in a steel-mill town.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
You could live three lifetimes in a steel town, Turtle, and you still wouldn't know squat. I knew when I opened up this stupid video that the first thing I'd hear would be the draft of the forge burner. That's where you get your 1800°F. When the aircraft hit the WTC, the jet fuel, basically kerosene, was not oxygenated by a draft. Kerosene, at standard atmospheric pressure, burns with an open flame temperature of around 300°C. That's less than 600°F. 600°F doesn't do shit to steel, particularly in the case of the massive heat sinks constituted by the huge interior support columns that held those structures up. And as has been pointed out time and again, and is still worth repeating, most of the organic liquid fuel consumed in the break up of the aircraft spilled out and was consumed exterior to the WTC buildings in the fireballs seen from numerous camera angles that day. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
I guess you missed my post to chrissy about how when I turned my oven on to cook a pizza at 450 degrees and it freefell into a molten gob of goo in my kitchen. Don't even talk to me about the carnage that self-cleaning ovens cause. j/k Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Suck it, Bob. I've worked with steel all my life. You don't know shit, writer. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. An excess of carbon monoxide, CO2 and particulates too numerous to mention in concentrated industrial areas is said to stunt the brain development in young'uns so unfortunate as to grow up in such environments.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Question... Is the fireball the fumes burning or the actual fuel. Have witnessed more than one explode.
You're right, randge. Something brought down those towers, and it sure was not burning jet fuel. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
One thing is certain. 9-11 was administrative coup d'état. George W. Bush was handed his head on a platter. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Physics tells us that only fumes burn. Liquid fuel does not burn. Flames only occur in a gaseous state, that is in a state where the fuel, originally in a solid, liquid or gaseous state, can mix with oxygen to burn. I'm not sure where your query is going. Look at the YouTubes of the 911 disasters and you can probably answer that question to your own satisfaction. Happy holidays, BTW, Cyni. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Whatever was burning up there was oxygen starved due to the black, smoky (aka cold) fires, unless they had a bunch of old tires stored up there. I've tried to get metals to soften in really hot camp/bonfires. Never happens. I guess it should be noted that I'm familiar with gas, MIG, TIG and arc welding as well as oxy/aceteyline, arc and plasma cutting, and am skilled in the use of an oxygen lance, but I'm probably wrong, right? Edit: The dude who did the video is a clown. You should see the tricks I can do in my shop, Dad. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Not only that, but the NIST report points out that the jet fuel was consumed within the first few minutes. Any fires after that would have been simple office fires fed by furniture, papers, and office equipment. Certainly nowhere close to the amount of heat necessary to soften steel. Even IF the entire floor underneath the damaged upper structure simply vanished into thin air, the complete collapse of the UNDAMAGED lower structure was impossible for it have happened without the use of controlled explosives. And even IF the drop of the upper structure by the space of several floors below would have occurred, there is NO possible way for the complete collapse to have occurred in roughly the same amount of time as if there was NOTHING underneath the upper structure at all (ie. it would not have collapsed at free fall speed, nor anywhere CLOSE to it). And fires don't create that powder-like particulate that covered lower Manhattan.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Dammit, you're fucking up the whole "KILL THE MUZZIES" meme. Stop it.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. No, but pulverized concrete structures do, especially with the help of strategically placed arrays of explosives planted within them. The "from top to bottom" demolition of the towers obviously created MUCH more dust in the atmosphere than a standard "from the bottom" demolition would. It's scary that so few people out there have any inkling of science and common sense these days. But yeah, how rational is "kill the muzzies" when it was most likely the Israeli Mossad who were behind the operational aspects of 9/11. I don't believe you, because if you worked with steel you'd know that a jet fuel fire would soften the steel so much the building would collapse. Sorry for you I'm smarter than you are...but that's the facts. "Have Brain, Will Travel
You're right, it could have been some mini-nukes, or even a technology that we're not aware of. To turn those entire buildings, and all their contents into powder (except one pristine passport) is amazing. And for molten steel to be beneath the buildings two months later is mind-boggling. To me, anyway.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Thank you Lurker. "Not only that," but just boatloads besides attached to every aspect of what happened that day. The anomalies found with respect to the persons involved, the targets in questions with each and every event are endless and beg the attention of all but the pathologically incurious. The latter category includes most of our fellow "citizens." They are living in the country that they deserve. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Perfect. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Sure does. 600°F doesn't do shit to steel Yield strength is reduced by about 10%, which isn't much. Above that it drops fast. A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.
Science smart I am not. Fumes, from high octane aviation gas always struck fear. There was NO PLAN TWO. Get the SOB on the ground..now. You know what the pucker factor is? Have a good holiday season.
Uh...does it also pulverize into fine powder an entire building? Oh, except of course, that indestructible passport! They ought to build all structures with indestructible passports in future and replace kevlar with the far superior passport material!
you never tire of displaying your imbecility, do you?
you never tire of displaying your imbecility, do you? "NEVER EVER" ... you are soooooooooooooo patient ! "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". Doug Scheidt
Uhhhhh...
I only keep him around cuz he entertains Cyni. (You have no idea how much self control I'm exercising not posting what I'm really thinking)
no Uhhhhh.
Use yer noodle though. There were some 48 or so massive core columns (in addition to many more exterior columns). Lookit the cross section. It would take lots more than liquid fuel than the mere tens of thousands of gallons burning in an oxygen starved environment for a short time to heat so much steel to 600 degrees, which BTW is a doubtful upper limit to the temp that the burning fuel might have attained. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
If the steel beams were softened, the towers wouldn't have collapsed at free fall speed (or damn near) and pulverized into fine dust. What more does one need to know about physics? gawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwd.
I was in on one of those threads and I tell ya what, I think Stone's starting to come around to our way of thinking on that subject.
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I like mossad much, much better for wiring the buildings.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
He's a FUKN idiot. With that rational his anvil should melt when he lays red hot steel against it. It takes substantially MORE heat over a LONGER period of time to weaken steel beams of the size in WTC. In More than 1 area of the beams the steel in the beams are Thicker than the Widest Point on the top of his anvil. I doubt there was enough heat to warm the beams all the way through. FUKN IDIOT! JMHO
Interesting on how he takes the rod out and hit it straight on against the anvil before he proceeds to bend it. If his theory is accurate, then only the tops of the buildings would have fallen leaving the rest of the structures standing up and for his theory to be accurate, a massive pinky would be needed to bend it the way he makes it out to bend under massive heat. For his theory to work, the fire would have been so massive, which it wasn't to affect an entire floor or 2, heated equally or almost at high temperature. He doesn't take into account the massive amount of asbestos that would have helped reduce the amount of heat directed toward the reinforced rods holding up the building. Now, if the author was to make a square of highly heated rods placed exactly as the towers were built and apply a slab of concrete on top to prove his point, he might be credible. Beyond that, just another joe plumber, no credibility and simple minded one track mind. Some people work hard at being offended
well said!!!!
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#2. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#3. To: Turtle (#2)
#4. To: randge, christine, 4um (#3)
600°F doesn't do shit to steel, particularly in the case of the massive heat sinks constituted by the huge interior support columns that held those structures up.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#5. To: Turtle (#2)
That comes from being raised in a steel-mill town.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#6. To: Esso (#5)
#7. To: randge (#3)
fireballs seen from numerous camera angles that day.
#8. To: randge (#3)
#9. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#10. To: Cynicom (#7)
Is the fireball the fumes burning or the actual fuel.
#11. To: Cynicom (#7)
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Is the fireball the fumes burning or the actual fuel.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#12. To: randge, Turtle (#3)
And as has been pointed out time and again, and is still worth repeating, most of the organic liquid fuel consumed in the break up of the aircraft spilled out and was consumed exterior to the WTC buildings in the fireballs seen from numerous camera angles that day.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
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#14. To: FormerLurker (#12)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#15. To: Lod (#13)
And fires don't create that powder-like particulate that covered lower Manhattan.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#16. To: Esso (#14)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#17. To: Esso (#5)
Suck it, Bob. I've worked with steel all my life. You don't know shit, writer.
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#19. To: FormerLurker (#12)
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Not only that
#20. To: randge (#19)
pathologically incurious
#21. To: Turtle, randge (#2)
I've tried to tell the conspironuts here many times fire does not melt steel but it softens it - a lot.
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#25. To: christine (#24)
Turtle
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#27. To: christine (#24)
you never tire of displaying your imbecility, do you?
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#33. To: Turtle, Bill D Berger (#2)
BUSH EXPOSES 9/11 TRUTH – Bush Admits to Explosives Used at The World Trade Center on 9/11
For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people.” bush speech press information responsibility u.s. “united states” usa america 2015 2016 2001 history historic truth agenda “middle east” war battle ww3 humanity fire skyscraper nyc ny “new york” “new york city” lies design operation intelligence “american dream” explosion drama actor actors news media entertainment viral video proof facts “elite nwo agenda” chaos control power troops army “u.s. army” search survival trendy trending daboo77 max keiser alex jones infowars we are change anonymous lindsey williams no planes 9/11 putin russia montagraph im your ghost g4t louis farrakhan end game collapse usd gold silver bilderberg 2015
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