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Title: Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'
Source: Netscape News
URL Source: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news ... 2&dt=20050315130200&w=RTR&covi
Published: Mar 15, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-03-15 17:59:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Cardinal, Blasts, Cheap
Views: 10967
Comments: 568

Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'

ROME (Reuters) - A top Catholic cardinal has blasted "The Da Vinci Code" as a "gross and absurd" distortion of history and said Catholic bookstores should take the bestseller off their shelves because it is full of "cheap lies."

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview with the Milan newspaper Il Giornale, became the highest ranking Italian Churchman to speak out against the book, an international blockbuster that has sold millions of copies.

"(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul told the paper in its Monday edition.

"This seems like a throwback to the old anti-clerical pamphlets of the 1800s," he said.

The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead.

Bertone's comments were significant because until the Pope named him archbishop of Genoa in 2003 he was for years the number two man at the Vatican's most powerful department - the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that."

HOLY GRAIL

A central storyline of the book is that the Holy Grail is not the cup which Christ is said to have used at the Last Supper but really the bloodline descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Bertone calls this idea "a perversion."

Bertone is so incensed about the novel that he will be the key speaker at a roundtable in Genoa Wednesday night attempting to dismantle the book, which also accuses the Church of covering up the female role in Christianity.

"I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said.

"I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said.

He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling The Da Vinci Code "for purely economic reasons."

One bookstore selling "The Da Vinci Code" is the one in the Gemelli Hospital, a Catholic institution where the Pope spent a total of 28 days in two stints in February and March.

In the interview, Bertone firmly rejected the book's claim that the feminine role in Christianity had been suppressed.

"This is one of the most vulgar of inventions. The feminine element is present in all the Gospels," Bertone said.

Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei, the conservative Church organization that the book depicts as a ruthless, Machiavellian group that resorts even to murder in its attempt to keep the Church's secrets hidden.

The novel is going to reach an even wider audience next year with the release of a film based on the book staring Tom Hanks.

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#1. To: All (#0)

"I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said.

How ironic that someone whose living is dependent upon pushing a fiction like the bible should react so defensively against another similar work.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   18:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#1)

How ironic that someone whose living is dependent upon pushing a fiction like the bible should react so defensively against another similar work.

ROFLMAO!!

EXACTLY RIGHT......

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-15   18:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Aric2000, Samuel Gray (#2)

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said.

He's talking about the bible, right?

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   18:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#1)

How ironic that someone whose living is dependent upon pushing a fiction like the bible should react so defensively against another similar work.

Oh, come now, assuming the Bible is a work of fiction, it certainly is a more credible and better written piece of fiction than the that piece of paperbacked trash. The Bible has lasted for more than a thousand years, the Da Vinci code will be forgotten in ten.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   18:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Continental Op (#4)

Credible? No. It's no more credible. Better written? Not by a long shot. I'll give you the last point, though. It certainly has loitered for more years than most. But then, I don't think that's the criteria you really want to judge by, is it?

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   18:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#5)

Credible? No. It's no more credible. Better written? Not by a long shot. I'll give you the last point, though. It certainly has loitered for more years than most. But then, I don't think that's the criteria you really want to judge by, is it?

as recent archeological finds continue to prove, the Bible is entirely a work of fiction. moreover, your biased, and unsupported critique of the Bible's prose, is disputed, not by me, but by more than half of all the great classical writers of antiquity.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   18:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All, Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#6)

edit before posting, should read: as recent archeological finds continue to prove, the Bible is NOT entirely a work of fiction.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   18:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Damn, it's fiction! What's the guy's problem?

Just because Jesus was a Rabbi and King of the Jews; the guy is way uptight.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-03-15   18:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei

Hey, if it's good enough for Franco, it's good enough for him.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-03-15   18:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Continental Op (#6)

the Bible is entirely a work of fiction.

As a point of fact, it is not entirely a work of fiction. Several or more rememberences in the bible are corraborated by hostile documents, and supported by other impartial evidence. This is all O T. Count on it.

tom007  posted on  2005-03-15   20:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Continental Op (#7)

edit before posting, should read: as recent archeological finds continue to prove, the Bible is NOT entirely a work of fiction.

Continental Op posted on 2005-03-15 18:36:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Well ya beat me to it!

tom007  posted on  2005-03-15   20:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#3)

I think so. I mean, Da Vinci actually existed, but the guys who venerate the water walkin shepherd born of a virgin are offended because they say someone is making up stuff???

Rich.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, CAPPSMADNESS (#0)

"I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said.

Yeah right. The Catholic Church has some books of their own hidden away that they should open up to the public.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-15   21:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#5)

It's a lot LESS credible than Dan Brown's book and the goddamn thing (beg pardon) reads like a set of VCR instructions, with parts that contradict other parts. (The Bible, not Da Vinci code)

At least Brown never said his WASN'T fiction nor advocated everyone use it as a model for living their lives and send him ten percent of their income.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Samuel Gray (#12)

I think so. I mean, Da Vinci actually existed, but the guys who venerate the water walkin shepherd born of a virgin are offended because they say someone is making up stuff???

have you read, the Da Vinci Code, The Bible, and down this thread in that order?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Continental Op (#15)

have you read, the Da Vinci Code, The Bible, and down this thread in that order?

yes, yes, yes, and so what?

When I read DVC and Angels and Demons, I laughed out loud because I knew the "Church of the Rock" would soil their vestments over it.

At least SOME of what Brown wrote was verifiable in the historical record. Find me a large buried boat, or some credible corroborative documentation concerning the life of Jesus written contemporaneously with his existence on earth, and we'll talk.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#1)

In the words of Judge Maybelline Mathis(?): "Don't get ME to testifyin' up in here today!"

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Continental Op (#6)

I'm fully aware that the bible is loosely tied to actual historical events. However, it is the interpretation of those events and their causes that delves deeply into the realm of fiction. As for its quality of prose, to each his own, but it is a far cry from compelling reading. There are other works of antiquity that far surpass it.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   21:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Samuel Gray (#17)

If the bible is true, then the Caananites have grounds for one hell of a lawsuit against the jews.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   21:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#19)

f the bible is true, then the Caananites have grounds for one hell of a lawsuit against the jews.

Why the hell not? Everything ELSE is their fault...the Canaanites may as well get in on the conspiracy.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#18)

As for its quality of prose, to each his own, but it is a far cry from compelling reading. There are other works of antiquity that far surpass it.

The Iliad? THe remainders of Sinuhe's narrative? Gilgamishe's memoirs?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Samuel Gray (#16)

At least SOME of what Brown wrote was verifiable in the historical record. Find me a large buried boat, or some credible corroborative documentation concerning the life of Jesus written contemporaneously with his existence on earth, and we'll talk.

"At least SOME of what Brown wrote was verifiable in the historical record."

Yes, there was a Da Vinci...

"Find me a large buried boat, or some credible corroborative documentation concerning the life of Jesus written contemporaneously with his existence on earth, and we'll talk."

the archeological evidence in support ofthe Bible is staggering. Read up on it sometime.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#19)

If the bible is true, then the Caananites have grounds for one hell of a lawsuit against the jews.

And Picts have as much for one against the Celts, and the Celts have as much for one against the Saxons and the Saxons have as much for one against the Normans.. .

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Continental Op (#22)

Yeah, towns existed with the same names as some of those in the Bible.

Finding a reference to Loch Ness in an ancient document and producing Nessie are entirely different matters entirely.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Continental Op (#22)

the archeological evidence in support ofthe Bible is staggering. Read up on it sometime.

The same is true of the archeological support for the Book of Mormon. Does that make it a legitimate source on the spiritual world?

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   21:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Continental Op (#23)

And Picts have as much for one against the Celts, and the Celts have as much for one against the Saxons and the Saxons have as much for one against the Normans.. .

:-)

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   21:31:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#25)

The same is true of the archeological support for the Book of Mormon.

no it isn't.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Continental Op (#27)

Oh, I see. You'll pick-n-choose which evidence counts based upon which myth you choose to believe. That's typical.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   21:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#25)

At least with the book of Mormon, you know up front it's bullshit, right? I mean one of their angels(?) or prophets is named MORON i.

That's a big tip off.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Samuel Gray (#24)

Finding a reference to Loch Ness in an ancient document and producing Nessie are entirely different matters entirely.

I suppose you're not old enough to remember when the ancestors of your ilk were claiming the Bible was surely false because it mentioned Hitites and there was absolutely no such thing as a Hittite. Then some more excavation was done and presto, the Hittite civilization was discovered! No one remembers that anymore though.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Samuel Gray (#29)

At least with the book of Mormon, you know up front it's bullshit, right?

Not at all. It's just as legitimate as the bible and comes with just as much archeological confirmation. Those who choose to believe it are just as serious about its veracity as those who believe the bible.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   21:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#28)

Oh, I see. You'll pick-n-choose which evidence counts based upon which myth you choose to believe. That's typical.

"The same is true of the archeological support for the Book of Mormon."-Mr Nuke Buzzcut

Let me re-address this post by asking exactly what archeological evidence proves the Book of Mormon to be correct and accurate? Links please.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Continental Op (#30)

At the end of the day, you can find all the Roman roads, dead civilizations, and mysterious parchments you want, yet the entire system is based on something that is NOT there in a tomb in Gethsemane??

Thomas was on the right track. Lest I see the nail prints and thrust my hand into his side...

Etc, etc...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#31)

It's just as legitimate as the bible and comes with just as much archeological confirmation.

that's a fairly absurd statement. compare the evidences.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#31)

Point taken, and I agree. I was going for the setup on the "Moron-i" line.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Samuel Gray (#33)

yet the entire system is based on something that is NOT there in a tomb in Gethsemane??

why should there be?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Continental Op (#36)

Most 2000 year old tombs are empty, is that it? Just that one is empty due to some other process than natural decay or grave robbery?

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Continental Op (#32)

Here is one that should suffice. I'm sure you'll dispute it, but then I could just as easily dispute biblical evidences on the exact same grounds, were I so inclined.

The point is that both books were written by people who wished to tie their fictional accounts to actual historical events. Most novelists do the exact same thing.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   21:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Samuel Gray (#37)

Most 2000 year old tombs are empty, is that it? Just that one is empty due to some other process than natural decay or grave robbery?

where is the tomb?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:46:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Continental Op (#34)

that's a fairly absurd statement. compare the evidences.

It's absurd to you because you choose to believe one and cannot accept the other because it doesn't fit with the myth you choose. Mormons, on the other hand, feel quite differently than you about that issue. And, people like myself view both as fantasies based upon historical events.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   21:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Continental Op (#39)

It's your fairy tale, you tell me.

Back on the subject of the thread, why does the prospect of Jesus having a wife bother the Catholics so much? The Gnostic gospel of Phillip said he kissed her on the mouth many times, and loved her more than the disciples...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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