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Title: Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'
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Published: Mar 15, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-03-15 17:59:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Cardinal, Blasts, Cheap
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Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies' ROME (Reuters) - A top Catholic cardinal has blasted "The Da Vinci Code" as a "gross and absurd" distortion of history and said Catholic bookstores should take the bestseller off their shelves because it is full of "cheap lies." Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview with the Milan newspaper Il Giornale, became the highest ranking Italian Churchman to speak out against the book, an international blockbuster that has sold millions of copies. "(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul told the paper in its Monday edition. "This seems like a throwback to the old anti-clerical pamphlets of the 1800s," he said. The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead. Bertone's comments were significant because until the Pope named him archbishop of Genoa in 2003 he was for years the number two man at the Vatican's most powerful department - the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. "You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that." HOLY GRAIL A central storyline of the book is that the Holy Grail is not the cup which Christ is said to have used at the Last Supper but really the bloodline descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Bertone calls this idea "a perversion." Bertone is so incensed about the novel that he will be the key speaker at a roundtable in Genoa Wednesday night attempting to dismantle the book, which also accuses the Church of covering up the female role in Christianity. "I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said. "I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said. He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling The Da Vinci Code "for purely economic reasons." One bookstore selling "The Da Vinci Code" is the one in the Gemelli Hospital, a Catholic institution where the Pope spent a total of 28 days in two stints in February and March. In the interview, Bertone firmly rejected the book's claim that the feminine role in Christianity had been suppressed. "This is one of the most vulgar of inventions. The feminine element is present in all the Gospels," Bertone said. Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei, the conservative Church organization that the book depicts as a ruthless, Machiavellian group that resorts even to murder in its attempt to keep the Church's secrets hidden. The novel is going to reach an even wider audience next year with the release of a film based on the book staring Tom Hanks. © Copyright Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of Reuters Ltd. 03/15/2005 13:02 RTR
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#213. To: Continental Op (#162)
I believe the removal of the Apocrypha was much later than the KJV of 1611.....more like late 1800s/early 1900s. It's my understanding they are still included in the Catholic Bible (Douey-Rhimes sp?)
"Wanna get high?"
Always remember to bring a towel.
LOL!
well, that makes three of us now! A literal canibal party, Seeing as how Aric thinks we eat our own. Do you like white or dark meat? Is that a racially charged question? Nice seeing ya Dee!
Jael has made the same mistake that many make, and not only as it regards religion. She paints with a broad brush. Additionally, she apparently doesn't understand passages of the Bible and needs to look back to the greek words to gain understanding.
I like my Jews breaded & fried, with Sweet/Sour sauce and some red wine. (Christians are better with marinara.)
Many unlearned people (Christians) do not realize that 90% of the people claiming to be Jewish today were never related ethnically to the Hebrews, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jacob, Moses or the Israelites, but merely converted to Judaism 800 years after Christ died. There were no Jews until after the second captivity that occurred after Solomon and after the 12 Tribes separated totally and were never reunited. [See Kings Rehoboam and Jeroboam]. What they worship is their business. There has been an active slight of hand project operated to make people believe that the people calling themselves Jews are descended from the original Israelites that came out of Egypt with Moses. This is a simple fraud easy to debunk.
Oh, sorry ... I don't watch TELL - A - VISION Thanks for the valuable update !
But more importantly - did you bring your towel??? I see Dak brought his!
I understand that Einstein and Velikovsky had become close, and that Einstein was actually reading Velokovsky's Book at the time of his death. Sometimes it's a blessing to NOT KNOW EVERYTHING ... Ask any Know-it-all !
I don't believe the Bible was written as a textbook. Nor was it a daily diary or log, for full of complete details of each and every conversation that took place. Thus far, from my reading and listening, it seems that the Old Testament was written by people from their perspective, their 'worldview'.....which would not have been the entire globe as it know it today. I saw where someone commented about Jonah in the whale's mouth and how they didn't believe the story. While I haven't looked it up in scripture yet, I've read where the word used was not actually 'whale', but something like sea creature or great sea creature. Also, even if it were a whale, it's possible he wasn't swallowed into the stomach wehre acids were........or if he was, that the whale was sick and not making acids. God, to be God, can do anything he wants---when he wants--and how he wants. His ways are not our ways. People, especially in todays' age, want instant gratification....they want what they want when they want it. IF he has to answer to anybody, then he couldn't be the Alpha and Omega; he'd be just another little ol god out there somewhere.
I don't think we were intended to know everything, if we did, why would we look to God for answers? (yes, I realize that not everyone on this thread looks to God) Even science has not provided us with all the answers yet. If it did, why are people still dying of Cancer or any other malady? I wish there were a common ground. Who's to say that BOTH "theories" of how we got here (Faith based and Science based) did not happen?
Let's be frank.. If you have an problem with dead people coming back to life, then you may as well just put the book down and go find something else to do. It's simply not for everyone.. Some were not called.
And such is the basis of true faith. And the reason these squabbles take place. Science says "impossible" while Faith says "All things are possible".
Actually, it we who should be laughing in a way......... For people to believe they somehow evolved out of some black soupy mass out in the hinterlands of a 'universe of black hole(s)' is what is unbelievable. You most certainly have the right to believe you evolved from monkeys. Myself, I believe God breathed some of his essense or being into the man he created, Adam, that made mankind unique, superior to animals and plants.
Glad you're here, too.
A very brilliant man, in my mind said: "I sure hope heaven is a very large kingdom because I can't stand most Christians and don't want to spend eternity around them" The angst that we see has been created by phonies, selling Jerusalem sand, 100 lb. Bibles, and Maps of the Holy Land, while preaching self-righteousness as a prerequisite to salvation. The distance that these assholes have created between man and God is a felony.
I love it when they spout off about " Morality" If there is no God, then their concept of what's "moral" is nothing more than the opinion of men. And, as we know.. men can come up with some very diverse ideas in this area. All of them cannot be correct and thus there is no true morality, except as defined by God himself.
Yes, that is as I read the scriptures.
While Greek Science said that the World was held up by a turtle on the shoulders of Atlas the Book Of Job said it was a circle and that the Moon "hung" upon nothing !
One of his names is the God of impossibilities.
It's simply not for everyone.. Some were not called. If Jesus didn't rise from the dead he was a lying lunatic. If he did, he was, as he stated, God.
I can't disagree with a thing you said. I feel anger when I see phonies acting as they do...and then at the people who at like lemmings without ever actually doing any sort of studying or trying to grow on their own. But overall, it is sadness at 'what might have been', because not everyone is gonna be 'over there'. The wide gate and narrow road thingie......
I don't think even lying lunatics can have others witness their deaths, be entombed, and then hide their own bodies after they have risen from the dead. But, I don't know much about lying lunatics, So maybe I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on such matters.
=0) yes, that is one of His names, isn't it?
You said it earlier, and it's really the "prozac" relief for Christians, and that is this: None cometh to the Father except they be called by the Spirit. The Free Will theory is designed by God, and if your His I'd advise you to notice the calling, because when you don't recognize that you're being called He is forced to chasten you into changing your will to fit His. He's God and He don't have to play fair. I found out the hard way, and it's not necessary. You just need to pay attention better than I did.
I wasn't saying that I don't believe He is Arisen, I do. I was just saying that all of Christianity rests upon the resurrection. If He didn't resurrect it's over, and He was a Liar. I don't personally believe that's the case. I also think that if the Jews could have proven He didn't resurrect ... they would have done so. Quite the opposite happened. And the amount of hatred for Christ that is commonly demonstrated by Jewish attacks upon Nativity Scenes, Crosses or references to God in school certainly make me wonder what makes them continue to crucify him 2000 years later.
I know that. =0)
To be fair, it isn't only Jews who react strongly to Nativity scenes, etc..
My investigations have shown that it is generally organizations being run by Jewish people such as the ACLU, or Jewish Lawyers, that are "offended" by public displays of Christ. Also, the Babylonian Talmud describes Christ as the bastard son of a whore impregnated by a roman soldier. If necessary I can find the Talmudic Book and Verse.
Around these parts, Agnostics, Gays, and people of "political correctness" also strongly oppose Nativity scenes. In Cincinnati, The KKK fights for a permit to put up a cross downtown. I don't know if it's right or wrong - but it is normally unanimously opposed by everyone because of the Klan's association with cross burning, etc. I just was pointing out that it isn't only Jews who oppose these things - there are a number of other groups who oppose anything related to Christianity.
Also, I am no expert on the Talmud, as it is not a book I have aspired to read yet. I have an arsenal of unread books already. Isn't the Talmudic faith a form of Jewish mystisism? (please excuse spelling errors).
Truthfully, it's much ado about nothing, a distraction that is aggravating to many Christians. The Bible speaks against graven images of any sort. That should be the end of it.
If the American public as a whole ever were able to read the talmud en masse, there wouldn't be a Jew allowed in America a week later.
Sometimes, it takes harder whacks upside the head. Some time ago, I heard Doc Scott teaching about Romans 1 about how God had left evidence of his being. That those who ignore Him become godless and he turns them loose/gives them up to the perverseness of evils, including men loving men, and women to women. And then on into Romans 2, Paul cautions against judging these people because God had turned them loose into their perversions. Scott's explaining of various words in Greek really help with the understanding of what was meant because the Greek uses definitive words. We lost a real scholar with his death. I hopeful Mrs. Scott continues in the same vein of teaching.
Keep your faerie tales straight, Cledus. They read the book of common prayer in Mass. Talmud is probably a synagogue thing.
What about the "God of Rigged Games?" I still don't know how you can say we have free will if he knows every choice we will make. ;) Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applied to theology. Simply put, no one can know everything.
what???
He's talking about pre-destination.
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#214. To: Jhoffa_ (#212)
#215. To: Dakmar (#214)
#216. To: Jhoffa_ (#215)
#217. To: Dakmar (#216)
#218. To: rowdee (#206)
Please count me in the group that ain't sorry Christianity is here to stay.
#219. To: Aric2000 (#168)
#220. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#218)
#221. To: Aric2000 (#208)
Actually his boss is Jewish royalty, but let's not go there, because then the Christians will get really upset, they worship a Jewish King...LOL
#222. To: Jhoffa_ (#212)
It's a pot smoking, burnt out, "party" towel from "South Park"
#223. To: Jhoffa_ (#220)
I like my Jews breaded & fried, with Sweet/Sour sauce and some red wine. (Christians are better with marinara.)
#224. To: crack monkey (#188)
Some think this is the flooding of the black sea and others think it was a meteor strike or volcanic erruption.
#225. To: noone222 (#183)
#226. To: noone222 (#224)
Sometimes it's a blessing to NOT KNOW EVERYTHING
#227. To: rowdee (#225)
#228. To: rowdee (#225)
God, to be God, can do anything he wants---when he wants--and how he wants. His ways are not our ways. People, especially in todays' age, want instant gratification....they want what they want when they want it.
#229. To: Aric2000 (#208)
#230. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#218)
#231. To: rowdee (#225)
I saw where someone commented
#232. To: rowdee (#229)
#233. To: Jhoffa_ (#227)
#234. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#228)
Science says "impossible" while Faith says "All things are possible".
#235. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#228)
And such is the basis of true faith. And the reason these squabbles take place. Science says "impossible" while Faith says "All things are possible".
#236. To: Jhoffa_ (#227)
Let's be frank.. If you have an problem with dead people coming back to life, then you may as well just put the book down and go find something else to do.
#237. To: noone222 (#231)
#238. To: noone222 (#236)
If Jesus didn't rise from the dead he was a lying lunatic
#239. To: rowdee (#235)
One of his names is the God of impossibilities.
#240. To: rowdee (#237)
#241. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#238)
I don't think even lying lunatics can have others witness their deaths, be entombed, and then hide their own bodies after they have risen from the dead.
#242. To: noone222 (#241)
I wasn't saying that I don't believe He is Arisen
#243. To: noone222 (#241)
And the amount of hatred for Christ that is commonly demonstrated by Jewish attacks upon Nativity Scenes, Crosses or references to God in school certainly make me wonder what makes them continue to crucify him 2000 years later.
#244. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#243)
To be fair, it isn't only Jews who react strongly to Nativity scenes, etc..
#245. To: noone222 (#244)
#246. To: noone222 (#244)
#247. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#245)
In Cincinnati, The KKK fights for a permit to put up a cross downtown. I don't know if it's right or wrong - but it is normally unanimously opposed by everyone because of the Klan's association with cross burning, etc.
#248. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#246)
Also, I am no expert on the Talmud, as it is not a book I have aspired to read yet. I have an arsenal of unread books already. Isn't the Talmudic faith a form of Jewish mystisism? (please excuse spelling errors).
#249. To: noone222 (#240)
#250. To: noone222 (#248)
talmud en masse
#251. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#239)
#252. To: Samuel Gray (#251)
What about the "God of Rigged Games?
#253. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#252)
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