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Title: Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'
Source: Netscape News
URL Source: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news ... 2&dt=20050315130200&w=RTR&covi
Published: Mar 15, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-03-15 17:59:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Cardinal, Blasts, Cheap
Views: 7426
Comments: 568

Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'

ROME (Reuters) - A top Catholic cardinal has blasted "The Da Vinci Code" as a "gross and absurd" distortion of history and said Catholic bookstores should take the bestseller off their shelves because it is full of "cheap lies."

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview with the Milan newspaper Il Giornale, became the highest ranking Italian Churchman to speak out against the book, an international blockbuster that has sold millions of copies.

"(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul told the paper in its Monday edition.

"This seems like a throwback to the old anti-clerical pamphlets of the 1800s," he said.

The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead.

Bertone's comments were significant because until the Pope named him archbishop of Genoa in 2003 he was for years the number two man at the Vatican's most powerful department - the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that."

HOLY GRAIL

A central storyline of the book is that the Holy Grail is not the cup which Christ is said to have used at the Last Supper but really the bloodline descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Bertone calls this idea "a perversion."

Bertone is so incensed about the novel that he will be the key speaker at a roundtable in Genoa Wednesday night attempting to dismantle the book, which also accuses the Church of covering up the female role in Christianity.

"I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said.

"I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said.

He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling The Da Vinci Code "for purely economic reasons."

One bookstore selling "The Da Vinci Code" is the one in the Gemelli Hospital, a Catholic institution where the Pope spent a total of 28 days in two stints in February and March.

In the interview, Bertone firmly rejected the book's claim that the feminine role in Christianity had been suppressed.

"This is one of the most vulgar of inventions. The feminine element is present in all the Gospels," Bertone said.

Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei, the conservative Church organization that the book depicts as a ruthless, Machiavellian group that resorts even to murder in its attempt to keep the Church's secrets hidden.

The novel is going to reach an even wider audience next year with the release of a film based on the book staring Tom Hanks.

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03/15/2005 13:02 RTR

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#252. To: Samuel Gray (#251)

What about the "God of Rigged Games?

what???

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   18:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#252)

He's talking about pre-destination.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   18:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: noone222 (#240)

He's God and He don't have to play fair.

Then the game is rigged, and all bets are off. He doesn't play fair, there's no reason for me to either.

He can go his own way, I go mine.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   18:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: Jhoffa_ (#253)

Very good, grasshopper. ( I lost your Yahoo ID, by the way).

If all this is "foreordained" from the git go, then there is no free agency called "will". He knows the sparrow when it falls, he knows the choices we will make.

If the outcomes are predetermined, there's no free will, and not a "hell" of a lot we can do about it.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   18:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: Samuel Gray (#255)

I guess you are safe then.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   18:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#256)

And if not, my friend, there's nothing I could have done about it anyway.

Recall Judas, who 'twould have been better if he'd had a millstone tied around his neck and drowned in the depths of the ocean, or to have never been born. He was dead meat from the start.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   18:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: Samuel Gray (#255)

Well, I can't speak for God..

However, the way it appears to me is that, like any good manager, he puts systems in place and allows them to operate. When he does not is commonly known as a "mircale"

When we thing of God's laws, we think of the Ten Commandments.. but there are many others which don't get the attention they deserve. Like gravity, for example.

If you choose to jump off a building, his laws happen and you fall.

Did he throw you off? No, you jumped and his systems processed you just liek they would a water baloon or anything else.

We can't choose what color we are or where we are born.. (As such, I always thought these superficial & trivial details were no way to judge a man, as they are outisde his control) BUT! we can choose what we think and believe. This is the true measure of a man and is amounts to his net worth.

But that's not your point, is it?

You point is: "If God knows everything from the past to the future, he can just skip the nonsense and judge every man on the choices he would have made, and he can do it right now."

Truly, he could..

However this does not glorify him.

IMO, he would rather allow men to decide and then live by their decisions.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   18:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: All (#258)

"miracle" rather..

For example: If I had a post without a single typo, it would be considered a "Miracle"

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   18:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: Samuel Gray (#257)

Okay Sam, you have proven to the entire board that you loath Christianty. Point taken.

Now leave the thread die. I am tired of debating your twisted and biased views. You have made your side perfectly clear and so have I.

As have others.

It's time to put this debate to rest before more animosity occurs.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   18:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: Samuel Gray (#257)

Perhaps God knew his heart and the choices he would make?

He allowed him to continue, regardless.. and let his systems work..

Even knowing Judas would grow into a man, and kill his only begotten son.

I'd call that free will.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   18:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: Jhoffa_ (#258)

very well reasoned and rationally put. I did feel the need to tell you this before I left the thread die in peace.

I am too tired to reason any further.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   18:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: Samuel Gray, noone222 (#254)

Then the game is rigged, and all bets are off. He doesn't play fair, there's no reason for me to either.

He can go his own way, I go mine.

LOL, God is the cat, and you are the mouse,
He can crush you or cut you open at any time, but is simply toying with your sorry ass until He can punish you BUT GOOD! Do as His earthly sevants command you, dig, or it's gonna be like the big owee forever.

I'm a stone atheist, but I have respect for some religios people and despise others. I despise some atheists too, jerks that call police when I sing Frosty Snowman too loud at night.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   18:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: Dakmar (#263)

Frosty's a gaywad.. and decent people are trying to sleep!

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   18:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: Jhoffa_ (#264)

Jesus Freak! Don't make me start posting Frank Burns quotes.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   18:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: Dakmar (#265)

You're the one playing with the flag on my mailbox, aren't you?

Commie!

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   18:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: All (#263)

sevants

typo, but that works too...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   18:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Jhoffa_ (#266)

The Dune Buggy? No, I don't know what you're talking about.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   19:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Dakmar (#268)

Geezel.. Don't mention that..

(There's still 6 mos on the statute of limitations, for crying out loud.)

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: Samuel Gray (#254)

He can go his own way, I go mine.

Really, He can go His way, and you will go wherever He says and His way ... it's all His and it all goes His way.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   19:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: noone222 (#270)

No, he is "not willing that any be lost"

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:20:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: noone222 (#270)

And there's hope for Sam..

For all his bullshit here on the Forum, he has a very good working knowledge of Christianity.

He is missing the spiritual part.

He's into mechanics.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: noone222 (#270)

He's "caught up" in the mechanics, rather..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: Jhoffa_ (#210)

No, but they worship a man that is a direct descendant of that same king, and if Israel had existed as a country, he would have been that countries rightful king.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   19:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: Aric2000 (#274)

You are ignorant of these things because you have not read the scriptures.

He did not desire to be "King"

Fled from it, in fact.

He seemed to prefer hanging around "sinners" actually.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: Dakmar (#263)

I'm a stone atheist, but I have respect for some religios people and despise others. I despise some atheists too, jerks that call police when I sing Frosty Snowman too loud at night.

I've been all over the map myself, from Christian to atheist and multiple points in-between. Here's what I think I've figured out. You know why religions have the power that they do, even though they often require their adherents to believe things that would strain the credulity of a five year old child? Because at their most fundamental level they have some real and vital truth there. You know why atheists and their adherents have so much power in their arguments against various religions? Because they have a lot of truth on their side as well.

I think Ghandi said it best when he said "Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is". What we call religion is the social construct and structures that get erected around the original revelation of whichever prophet you want to name, from Elijah to Jesus to Buddha to Mohammed to Krishna to Bahá'u'lláh. So what are these revelations that I'm referring to, that have the power to change the destiny of nations?

If you go to near-death.com and read up on the stories there, I think one can quickly surmise a premise that states "all great religions begin with near-death experiences, stimulated by one kind of event or another". Now for this argument to have any validity, one has to suppose that there really is something to what people experience during their near-death experiences.

This is a subject that I'm rather interested in, and I've got more ideas about this to share, but lets just start with this for now.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-03-16   19:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: Jhoffa_ (#272)

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CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   19:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: Jhoffa_ (#259)

For example: If I had a post without a single typo, it would be considered a "Miracle"

ROTFLMAO!

That, my dear, would be MY MIRACLE, too.

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   19:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#277)

He stops in to push buttons..

But, in truth.. He has a much better working knowledge of what's written than most.

There's more than what's written, however.. and that's what trips him up.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: rowdee (#278)

Hey, I know a genuine Miracle when I spell check..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: Elliott Jackalope (#276)

What we call religion is the social construct and structures that get erected around the original revelation of whichever prophet you want to name, from Elijah to Jesus to Buddha to Mohammed to Krishna to Bahá'u'lláh. So what are these revelations that I'm referring to, that have the power to change the destiny of nations?

Can't blame all that on every belief system that ever sprung fom the mind of man. Good systems sometimes punish good people, but it's better than 24/7 lockdown.

Although I don't believe in a Supreme Being, I can't help but notice a groove, a vibration that bounces around everything in its path. Plants, people, doggies, iguanas, we are all part of this magical ether.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   19:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: rowdee (#278)

That, my dear, would be MY MIRACLE, too.

A thread without an "asteroid orifice" would seem miraculous to me !

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   19:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: noone222, Jhoffa_, InjunJoe (#282)

MacGregor Ministies

(A Christian Outreach to those trapped in cult groups.)

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   19:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: Dakmar (#283)

They're all cornholers..

And sell that stupid car, it's evil..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Jhoffa_ (#284)

There used to be a guy in the San Fernando Valley named Engine Joe who rebuit VW Engines.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   20:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: crack monkey (#285)

German engines?

Has Jazzfan been consulted?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: Jhoffa_ (#284)

And sell that stupid car, it's evil..

Done, master! Traded the heap in for sixty-one and one half hours of guaranteed access to ... damn, ripped off again....

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   20:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: noone222 (#282)

A thread without an "asteroid orifice" would seem miraculous to me !

What exactly is an "asteroid Orifice"? Do I dare ask?

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: Jhoffa_ (#286)

Could Bush worship be considered a cult? If so, maybe the people on LP could benefit from MacGregor Ministies. They're pretty much all cornholers over there too - Trace, BAC and numerous other funny types. Check out the Rove thread to see the drivers behind this - they're being discussed there as we speak. The nexus between botdom and serious pole smoking.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   20:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: Dakmar (#287)

Oh no, not "Nibbies Adult Site"

I could have told ya they were a rip off.!

Just based on general knowledge and water cooler talk and such.. you know.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: crack monkey (#289)

By any objective standard I can imagine.. Yes.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: crack monkey (#289)

The nexus between botdom and serious pole smoking.

Please pass the bleach so i can get the mental picture out of my mind that your post placed there!

UGH!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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