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Title: Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'
Source: Netscape News
URL Source: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news ... 2&dt=20050315130200&w=RTR&covi
Published: Mar 15, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-03-15 17:59:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Cardinal, Blasts, Cheap
Views: 7859
Comments: 568

Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'

ROME (Reuters) - A top Catholic cardinal has blasted "The Da Vinci Code" as a "gross and absurd" distortion of history and said Catholic bookstores should take the bestseller off their shelves because it is full of "cheap lies."

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview with the Milan newspaper Il Giornale, became the highest ranking Italian Churchman to speak out against the book, an international blockbuster that has sold millions of copies.

"(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul told the paper in its Monday edition.

"This seems like a throwback to the old anti-clerical pamphlets of the 1800s," he said.

The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead.

Bertone's comments were significant because until the Pope named him archbishop of Genoa in 2003 he was for years the number two man at the Vatican's most powerful department - the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that."

HOLY GRAIL

A central storyline of the book is that the Holy Grail is not the cup which Christ is said to have used at the Last Supper but really the bloodline descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Bertone calls this idea "a perversion."

Bertone is so incensed about the novel that he will be the key speaker at a roundtable in Genoa Wednesday night attempting to dismantle the book, which also accuses the Church of covering up the female role in Christianity.

"I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said.

"I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said.

He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling The Da Vinci Code "for purely economic reasons."

One bookstore selling "The Da Vinci Code" is the one in the Gemelli Hospital, a Catholic institution where the Pope spent a total of 28 days in two stints in February and March.

In the interview, Bertone firmly rejected the book's claim that the feminine role in Christianity had been suppressed.

"This is one of the most vulgar of inventions. The feminine element is present in all the Gospels," Bertone said.

Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei, the conservative Church organization that the book depicts as a ruthless, Machiavellian group that resorts even to murder in its attempt to keep the Church's secrets hidden.

The novel is going to reach an even wider audience next year with the release of a film based on the book staring Tom Hanks.

© Copyright Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of Reuters Ltd.

03/15/2005 13:02 RTR

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#266. To: Dakmar (#265)

You're the one playing with the flag on my mailbox, aren't you?

Commie!

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   18:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: All (#263)

sevants

typo, but that works too...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   18:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Jhoffa_ (#266)

The Dune Buggy? No, I don't know what you're talking about.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   19:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Dakmar (#268)

Geezel.. Don't mention that..

(There's still 6 mos on the statute of limitations, for crying out loud.)

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: Samuel Gray (#254)

He can go his own way, I go mine.

Really, He can go His way, and you will go wherever He says and His way ... it's all His and it all goes His way.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   19:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: noone222 (#270)

No, he is "not willing that any be lost"

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:20:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: noone222 (#270)

And there's hope for Sam..

For all his bullshit here on the Forum, he has a very good working knowledge of Christianity.

He is missing the spiritual part.

He's into mechanics.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: noone222 (#270)

He's "caught up" in the mechanics, rather..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: Jhoffa_ (#210)

No, but they worship a man that is a direct descendant of that same king, and if Israel had existed as a country, he would have been that countries rightful king.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   19:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: Aric2000 (#274)

You are ignorant of these things because you have not read the scriptures.

He did not desire to be "King"

Fled from it, in fact.

He seemed to prefer hanging around "sinners" actually.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: Dakmar (#263)

I'm a stone atheist, but I have respect for some religios people and despise others. I despise some atheists too, jerks that call police when I sing Frosty Snowman too loud at night.

I've been all over the map myself, from Christian to atheist and multiple points in-between. Here's what I think I've figured out. You know why religions have the power that they do, even though they often require their adherents to believe things that would strain the credulity of a five year old child? Because at their most fundamental level they have some real and vital truth there. You know why atheists and their adherents have so much power in their arguments against various religions? Because they have a lot of truth on their side as well.

I think Ghandi said it best when he said "Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is". What we call religion is the social construct and structures that get erected around the original revelation of whichever prophet you want to name, from Elijah to Jesus to Buddha to Mohammed to Krishna to Bahá'u'lláh. So what are these revelations that I'm referring to, that have the power to change the destiny of nations?

If you go to near-death.com and read up on the stories there, I think one can quickly surmise a premise that states "all great religions begin with near-death experiences, stimulated by one kind of event or another". Now for this argument to have any validity, one has to suppose that there really is something to what people experience during their near-death experiences.

This is a subject that I'm rather interested in, and I've got more ideas about this to share, but lets just start with this for now.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-03-16   19:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: Jhoffa_ (#272)

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CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   19:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: Jhoffa_ (#259)

For example: If I had a post without a single typo, it would be considered a "Miracle"

ROTFLMAO!

That, my dear, would be MY MIRACLE, too.

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   19:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#277)

He stops in to push buttons..

But, in truth.. He has a much better working knowledge of what's written than most.

There's more than what's written, however.. and that's what trips him up.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: rowdee (#278)

Hey, I know a genuine Miracle when I spell check..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: Elliott Jackalope (#276)

What we call religion is the social construct and structures that get erected around the original revelation of whichever prophet you want to name, from Elijah to Jesus to Buddha to Mohammed to Krishna to Bahá'u'lláh. So what are these revelations that I'm referring to, that have the power to change the destiny of nations?

Can't blame all that on every belief system that ever sprung fom the mind of man. Good systems sometimes punish good people, but it's better than 24/7 lockdown.

Although I don't believe in a Supreme Being, I can't help but notice a groove, a vibration that bounces around everything in its path. Plants, people, doggies, iguanas, we are all part of this magical ether.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   19:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: rowdee (#278)

That, my dear, would be MY MIRACLE, too.

A thread without an "asteroid orifice" would seem miraculous to me !

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   19:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: noone222, Jhoffa_, InjunJoe (#282)

MacGregor Ministies

(A Christian Outreach to those trapped in cult groups.)

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   19:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: Dakmar (#283)

They're all cornholers..

And sell that stupid car, it's evil..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   19:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Jhoffa_ (#284)

There used to be a guy in the San Fernando Valley named Engine Joe who rebuit VW Engines.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   20:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: crack monkey (#285)

German engines?

Has Jazzfan been consulted?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: Jhoffa_ (#284)

And sell that stupid car, it's evil..

Done, master! Traded the heap in for sixty-one and one half hours of guaranteed access to ... damn, ripped off again....

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   20:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: noone222 (#282)

A thread without an "asteroid orifice" would seem miraculous to me !

What exactly is an "asteroid Orifice"? Do I dare ask?

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: Jhoffa_ (#286)

Could Bush worship be considered a cult? If so, maybe the people on LP could benefit from MacGregor Ministies. They're pretty much all cornholers over there too - Trace, BAC and numerous other funny types. Check out the Rove thread to see the drivers behind this - they're being discussed there as we speak. The nexus between botdom and serious pole smoking.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   20:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: Dakmar (#287)

Oh no, not "Nibbies Adult Site"

I could have told ya they were a rip off.!

Just based on general knowledge and water cooler talk and such.. you know.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: crack monkey (#289)

By any objective standard I can imagine.. Yes.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: crack monkey (#289)

The nexus between botdom and serious pole smoking.

Please pass the bleach so i can get the mental picture out of my mind that your post placed there!

UGH!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#288)

What exactly is an "asteroid Orifice"? Do I dare ask?

It impacted with the planet long ago and wiped out several key species. Homo Erectus among others.

Did you know that horses were smaller than fruit flies long ago? This was Itsy Hippus, the ancestor of modern horses. It also got wiped out by the orifice.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   20:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#292)

He's pretty creative..

No one ever mentions the downside to that sort of thing.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#288)

What exactly is an "asteroid Orifice"? Do I dare ask?

No, please don't ... could you ask Rowdee ???

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   20:09:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: noone222, rowdee (#295)

What exactly is an "asteroid Orifice"? Do I dare ask?

No, please don't ... could you ask Rowdee ???

okay. Dee?

you may want to PM this answer to me so as to lessen my embarrassment.

=0)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: crack monkey (#293)

you sir, are a trip!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#297)

He's correct, you know..

This impact fundamentally changed our species.

As a result, we are now left with:

1) Hetero-straight-guaius

2) Homo-Traceus

All modern men can be traced to these two similar, but very distinct species.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#70)

But a kiss in those times did not necessarily have the same sexual connotations as it does today.

This is true. Personally, I can't believe the uproar over a book that is fiction. All the cardinal has done is ensure that many more copies will be sold. I have noticed the book, been curious about it. I'm almost tempted to go get it now just to see what all the fuss is about. Obviously something in that book has got the Vatican in a tizzy. I just happen to think it's more than Jesus being married.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-16   20:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: Elliott Jackalope (#276)

interesting post, elliott. i, too, find near-death experience stories fascinating.

christine  posted on  2005-03-16   20:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: noone222 (#282)

Ohhhhhhh boy! I like your definition best! :)

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   20:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#288)

kelly, lol, do a visual in your mind.

christine  posted on  2005-03-16   20:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: justlurking (#299)

I have a copy, just have too many books started to get to it yet.

And you are right - people will rush to get a copy now. Maybe the Vatican will be persuaded to release the rest of the books in time with enough uproar.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#296)

I shall.....the check answer is in the mail.

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   20:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: justlurking (#299)

Obviously something in that book has got the Vatican in a tizzy. I just happen to think it's more than Jesus being married.

Personally, I'd be more comfortable with the idea of Jesus being married. The image of him never having a girlfriend and hanging out all the time with a bunch of old unmarried guys kind of bothered me. The business about washing their feet was really weird. The story about him clensing the leopards sort of redeemed him. Anybody that could give a leopard a bath isn't a complete sissy.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   20:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#303)

Maybe the Vatican will be persuaded to release the rest of the books in time with enough uproar.

I don't see them EVER doing that.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-16   20:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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