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Title: Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'
Source: Netscape News
URL Source: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news ... 2&dt=20050315130200&w=RTR&covi
Published: Mar 15, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-03-15 17:59:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Cardinal, Blasts, Cheap
Views: 7693
Comments: 568

Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'

ROME (Reuters) - A top Catholic cardinal has blasted "The Da Vinci Code" as a "gross and absurd" distortion of history and said Catholic bookstores should take the bestseller off their shelves because it is full of "cheap lies."

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview with the Milan newspaper Il Giornale, became the highest ranking Italian Churchman to speak out against the book, an international blockbuster that has sold millions of copies.

"(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul told the paper in its Monday edition.

"This seems like a throwback to the old anti-clerical pamphlets of the 1800s," he said.

The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead.

Bertone's comments were significant because until the Pope named him archbishop of Genoa in 2003 he was for years the number two man at the Vatican's most powerful department - the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that."

HOLY GRAIL

A central storyline of the book is that the Holy Grail is not the cup which Christ is said to have used at the Last Supper but really the bloodline descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Bertone calls this idea "a perversion."

Bertone is so incensed about the novel that he will be the key speaker at a roundtable in Genoa Wednesday night attempting to dismantle the book, which also accuses the Church of covering up the female role in Christianity.

"I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said.

"I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said.

He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling The Da Vinci Code "for purely economic reasons."

One bookstore selling "The Da Vinci Code" is the one in the Gemelli Hospital, a Catholic institution where the Pope spent a total of 28 days in two stints in February and March.

In the interview, Bertone firmly rejected the book's claim that the feminine role in Christianity had been suppressed.

"This is one of the most vulgar of inventions. The feminine element is present in all the Gospels," Bertone said.

Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei, the conservative Church organization that the book depicts as a ruthless, Machiavellian group that resorts even to murder in its attempt to keep the Church's secrets hidden.

The novel is going to reach an even wider audience next year with the release of a film based on the book staring Tom Hanks.

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03/15/2005 13:02 RTR

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#1. To: All (#0)

"I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said.

How ironic that someone whose living is dependent upon pushing a fiction like the bible should react so defensively against another similar work.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   18:01:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#1)

How ironic that someone whose living is dependent upon pushing a fiction like the bible should react so defensively against another similar work.

ROFLMAO!!

EXACTLY RIGHT......

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-15   18:03:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Aric2000, Samuel Gray (#2)

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said.

He's talking about the bible, right?

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-15   18:07:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#3)

I think so. I mean, Da Vinci actually existed, but the guys who venerate the water walkin shepherd born of a virgin are offended because they say someone is making up stuff???

Rich.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:02:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Samuel Gray (#12)

I think so. I mean, Da Vinci actually existed, but the guys who venerate the water walkin shepherd born of a virgin are offended because they say someone is making up stuff???

have you read, the Da Vinci Code, The Bible, and down this thread in that order?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:08:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Continental Op (#15)

have you read, the Da Vinci Code, The Bible, and down this thread in that order?

yes, yes, yes, and so what?

When I read DVC and Angels and Demons, I laughed out loud because I knew the "Church of the Rock" would soil their vestments over it.

At least SOME of what Brown wrote was verifiable in the historical record. Find me a large buried boat, or some credible corroborative documentation concerning the life of Jesus written contemporaneously with his existence on earth, and we'll talk.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:12:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Samuel Gray (#16)

At least SOME of what Brown wrote was verifiable in the historical record. Find me a large buried boat, or some credible corroborative documentation concerning the life of Jesus written contemporaneously with his existence on earth, and we'll talk.

"At least SOME of what Brown wrote was verifiable in the historical record."

Yes, there was a Da Vinci...

"Find me a large buried boat, or some credible corroborative documentation concerning the life of Jesus written contemporaneously with his existence on earth, and we'll talk."

the archeological evidence in support ofthe Bible is staggering. Read up on it sometime.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:28:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Continental Op (#22)

Yeah, towns existed with the same names as some of those in the Bible.

Finding a reference to Loch Ness in an ancient document and producing Nessie are entirely different matters entirely.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:30:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Samuel Gray (#24)

Finding a reference to Loch Ness in an ancient document and producing Nessie are entirely different matters entirely.

I suppose you're not old enough to remember when the ancestors of your ilk were claiming the Bible was surely false because it mentioned Hitites and there was absolutely no such thing as a Hittite. Then some more excavation was done and presto, the Hittite civilization was discovered! No one remembers that anymore though.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:35:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Continental Op (#30)

At the end of the day, you can find all the Roman roads, dead civilizations, and mysterious parchments you want, yet the entire system is based on something that is NOT there in a tomb in Gethsemane??

Thomas was on the right track. Lest I see the nail prints and thrust my hand into his side...

Etc, etc...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:38:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Samuel Gray (#33)

yet the entire system is based on something that is NOT there in a tomb in Gethsemane??

why should there be?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:39:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Continental Op (#36)

Most 2000 year old tombs are empty, is that it? Just that one is empty due to some other process than natural decay or grave robbery?

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:43:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Samuel Gray (#37)

Most 2000 year old tombs are empty, is that it? Just that one is empty due to some other process than natural decay or grave robbery?

where is the tomb?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-15   21:46:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Continental Op (#39)

It's your fairy tale, you tell me.

Back on the subject of the thread, why does the prospect of Jesus having a wife bother the Catholics so much? The Gnostic gospel of Phillip said he kissed her on the mouth many times, and loved her more than the disciples...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-15   21:48:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Samuel Gray (#41)

...why does the prospect of Jesus having a wife bother the Catholics so much? The Gnostic gospel of Phillip said he kissed her on the mouth many times, and loved her more than the disciples...

Because it would confirm the fact that Jesus wasn't divine. And we can't have that type of info floating around.

2Trievers  posted on  2005-03-15   22:12:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: 2Trievers, All (#51)

Because it would confirm the fact that Jesus wasn't divine. And we can't have that type of info floating around.

Ok, guys, you have been having your fun. Those of us who do accept the Holy Bible as fact have the opposite opinion. We think we are right. You say that we are silly, etc for believing these things. You say that we can't prove that He was divine. But, the truth is you can't prove that He wasn't. So, you have your opinion. So, we have two sides of this dividing line. One side can't prove anything to the other side. You do not believe in His divinity, so be it. We do, so be it.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   8:15:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Don (#64)

You say that we can't prove that He was divine. But, the truth is you can't prove that He wasn't.

But, if one is to subscribe to logic, then the burden of proof is squarely upon the one making the affirmation of existence. The logically default position with respect to claims of existence is one of disbelief -- until such time as actual verifiable, substantiable evidence can be entered into the record and evaluated as concrete fact.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-16   11:48:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, All (#128)

the burden of proof is squarely upon the one making the affirmation of existence.

Counselor, this isn't a court of law. It's your decision to believe or not.

In the meantime, we have the First Amendment in this country. Freedom of Religion and all that? I can start a religion worshipping my right, big toe and I don't have to prove a thing.

Christianity and belief in Christ is much more established than my pretend church. Prove something? Yeah, right. In your dreams. Christianity is here and it will stay here. Sorry 'bout that. No, I'm not.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   13:55:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Don (#150)

Sorry 'bout that. No, I'm not.

Me either Don.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   13:56:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#151)

Well, this day seems to be beat up on the Christians day. At least, the lions haven't been released yet.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:12:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Don (#158)

At least, the lions haven't been released yet.

I don't know about you, but I don't fear lions either. At least they go straigt for the jugular - making death quick and painless.

These two camps are never going to find common ground, and each tends to blame the other for today's/yesterday's woes (Science Community/Christian Community).

But like you, I will not be berated or belitteld for my beliefs. And I suppose, we should also not berate others for not believing. God did grant man free will.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   14:15:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#160)

each tends to blame the other for today's/yesterday's woes (Science Community/Christian Community).

Lions are no big deal. Four of them are living in my house now. At least, they think they are lions.

I don't blame science for today's woes. There is a spiritual warfare going on and science is only being used in it. The politicians themselves are only pawns.

Belittlement for believing in Christ is something which people should respond to. Christians are not second-class citizens for believing in Christ, nor are they dumb, illogical, or uneducated. And, that is something that the people who "know better" can't seem to understand.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:21:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Don, All (#163)

Belittlement for believing in Christ is something which people should respond to. Christians are not second-class citizens for believing in Christ, nor are they dumb, illogical, or uneducated. And, that is something that the people who "know better" can't seem to understand.

"E-fucking-zactly"

Many in our society today suffer from an extreme case of undeserved, self- imposed, intellectual arrogance that blinds them to the terrible limitations of their pea-brains. These self-described Einsteins, are in truth, mental midgets that think it's OK to Blaspheme God and His Word, while "championing" a (sub) human species that has been a blight upon humanity from its inception.

"Rich"

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   14:49:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: noone222 (#174)

God and His Word, while "championing" a (sub) human species that has been a blight upon humanity from its inception.

Are you saying the Jesus wants us to hate and kill the Jews? Don't beat around the bush on this one.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   15:09:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: crack monkey, noone222 (#181)

Are you saying the Jesus wants us to hate and kill the Jews? Don't beat around the bush on this one.

That's exactly what he believes, he's just too much of a coward to say it out and own it like a man.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:15:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Samuel Gray (#187)

Are you saying the Jesus wants us to hate and kill the Jews? Don't beat around the bush on this one.

That's exactly what he believes, he's just too much of a coward to say it out and own it like a man.

Oh Sam, how distraught you appear to be today. Is your dog menustrating ?

I don't think you can cite me ever saying that, even though sometimes I think the Jews do things that make people want to hate and kill them.

You really shouldn't put words in Jesus' mouth, he hasn't returned yet and can't defend himself.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:23:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: noone222 (#191)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:26:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: all (#192)

Can't we all just get high or something?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   15:35:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Jhoffa_ (#197)

Can't we all just get high or something?

Maybe, but noone222's drug of choice is an inhalant that hasn't been available since they shut down the big ovens in about 1945.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:38:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: Samuel Gray (#200)

Maybe, but noone222's drug of choice is

Let me be honest and fill this in with a legitimate answer. Maybe, but noone222's drug of choice is Yashua Messiah. I'm high on Jesus Christ, not a bit embarrased to admit it, and give the Almighty all of the credit for making me a happy camper in the midst of a world going mad !

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:41:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: noone222 (#202)

noone222's drug of choice is Yashua Messiah.

So, like the bumper sticker, your boss is a Jewish carpenter?

How ironic...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:45:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: Samuel Gray (#205)

Actually his boss is Jewish royalty, but let's not go there, because then the Christians will get really upset, they worship a Jewish King...LOL

That would be like Muslims worshipping King Abdullah of Jordan...ROFLMAO!!!

Boy, 2000 years and they are still so confused that they don't realize that they have been suckered...

Christianity is the biggest con game ever created and pushed on the human race, and the Billion or so christians are true to the form, there is a sucker born every minute.

Hell, L Ron Hubbard proved that, and he just died what? 10 years ago or so?

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   15:59:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: Aric2000 (#208)

Actually, it we who should be laughing in a way.........

For people to believe they somehow evolved out of some black soupy mass out in the hinterlands of a 'universe of black hole(s)' is what is unbelievable.

You most certainly have the right to believe you evolved from monkeys.

Myself, I believe God breathed some of his essense or being into the man he created, Adam, that made mankind unique, superior to animals and plants.

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   16:29:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: rowdee (#229)

You most certainly have the right to believe you evolved from monkeys.

When you learn what evolution ACTUALLY is and what it says, we'll talk, until then, you are just a superstitious ignorant savage as far as I am concerned.

Learn a little science, your mind may actually expand, and you might, just might, learn to think for yourself.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   22:17:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#355. To: Aric2000, rowdee (#346)

When you learn what evolution ACTUALLY is and what it says, we'll talk, until then, you are just a superstitious ignorant savage as far as I am concerned.

When you get a little time, could you see your way clear to educating us "superstitious ignorant savages." We could use your help.

For example, is it true that evolution teaches that man evolved from the apes? A yes or no answer here would be of interest to us all.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   22:42:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#361. To: Don (#355)

superstitious ignorant savages

I suppose he can tell us "savages" by our "Bible Thumping"?

THUMPTHUMPTHUMPTHUMPTHUMP!

;0)

Or can he tell us by our cannibalism?

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   22:45:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#378. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#361)

Maybe he gets that one from Bambi. I have been watching Bambi. I think Feline is a cute little doe. Anyway, remember the rabbit, Thumper?

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