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Title: Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'
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URL Source: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news ... 2&dt=20050315130200&w=RTR&covi
Published: Mar 15, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-03-15 17:59:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Cardinal, Blasts, Cheap
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Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies' ROME (Reuters) - A top Catholic cardinal has blasted "The Da Vinci Code" as a "gross and absurd" distortion of history and said Catholic bookstores should take the bestseller off their shelves because it is full of "cheap lies." Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview with the Milan newspaper Il Giornale, became the highest ranking Italian Churchman to speak out against the book, an international blockbuster that has sold millions of copies. "(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul told the paper in its Monday edition. "This seems like a throwback to the old anti-clerical pamphlets of the 1800s," he said. The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead. Bertone's comments were significant because until the Pope named him archbishop of Genoa in 2003 he was for years the number two man at the Vatican's most powerful department - the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. "You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that." HOLY GRAIL A central storyline of the book is that the Holy Grail is not the cup which Christ is said to have used at the Last Supper but really the bloodline descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Bertone calls this idea "a perversion." Bertone is so incensed about the novel that he will be the key speaker at a roundtable in Genoa Wednesday night attempting to dismantle the book, which also accuses the Church of covering up the female role in Christianity. "I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said. "I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said. He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling The Da Vinci Code "for purely economic reasons." One bookstore selling "The Da Vinci Code" is the one in the Gemelli Hospital, a Catholic institution where the Pope spent a total of 28 days in two stints in February and March. In the interview, Bertone firmly rejected the book's claim that the feminine role in Christianity had been suppressed. "This is one of the most vulgar of inventions. The feminine element is present in all the Gospels," Bertone said. Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei, the conservative Church organization that the book depicts as a ruthless, Machiavellian group that resorts even to murder in its attempt to keep the Church's secrets hidden. The novel is going to reach an even wider audience next year with the release of a film based on the book staring Tom Hanks. © Copyright Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of Reuters Ltd. 03/15/2005 13:02 RTR
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#434. To: 2Trievers (#433)
I agree, I was referring to the weird practice of bozoing folks that "talk dirty". When God closes a door, Satan can enter "innuendo."
I'm the freakin anti-Christ It took every ounce of restraint on my part to resist responding to this foot- in-mouth remark. Thank you.
Aww...cute. You're just dyin to share what you think passes for wit and you want someone to ask you?
Great. Let's talk in innuendo, euphemisms and glittering generalities. No body understands us anyway, so what the heck. Sometimes I think you are one chip short of a portion ...
I had him down as a "useful Idiot" and one of Satan's lesser minions...
Neat graphic. Around Shakespeare's time?
Still leading with your charm , eh, Flint? Remind me again why you're still breathing American air? I thought you were gone as of November 2. What's keeping you? I'm sure they have some sort of net access in Central America.
Here's a modest review of the thread topic ... Da Vinci Code Your Life Everything is interwoven. Jesus tongue kissed Mary Magdalene, a lot. Potent juicy mystical secrets are everywhere, if you know where to look. Organized religion is the worst possible answer. What supposedly sacred truths are available to us are all relative to those who hold the power. Often, just behind the facade of things is a huge hunk of gorgeous convoluted magic you would do well to lick. Meanwhile, the divine feminine is right there, winking, sighing heavily, waiting for you. Like, duh. And oh yes, there are so many repressed buried burned crushed or otherwise flayed secrets of the true nature of divinity floating in the air like a mad delicious perfume, mysteries that have been rather nauseatingly overpowered by the rank dank cologne of the patriarchal church -- it's all you can do to breathe deeply anymore without gagging on all the repressed sexuality and stale machismo. This much we know. Simple truths, all of them. And all so nicely mapped out in Dan Brown's deliciously well-researched (if rather flawed), still red-hot best-seller "The Da Vinci Code," that incendiary little page-turner packed like a hot sausage with combustible and wonderfully damning religious fact and insinuation and researched tidbit that all serve to make the church and its more uptight sects cringe and recoil and deny deny deny. So you know it must be true. Brown's is a book that, with the notable exception of a very bitter Mel Gibson and maybe the most denial-happy, millions of giddy readers have taken as radiant, irrefutable proof that we don't know nearly as much as we think we know, and a huge amount of what we've been force-fed by power-drunk religious orgs and political strategists lo these past centuries has been a gargantuan, sticky, carefully orchestrated deception. Not exactly shocking news, I know. Realizing those in power have swindled the world since time immemorial to preserve their hollow supremacy has become a bit of a cultural pastime. From well over 10,000 hideous sexual-abuse cases in the Catholic Church stretching back to 1950 to realizing how an American presidential regime has openly lied and betrayed the nation so as to lead our exhausted populace into two brutal unwanted wars and a paralyzing deficit just to further a corporate-crony agenda, you just sort of sit there and go, yeah, well, what else is new. But this is a bit different. The broad and rather intoxicating deceptions so refreshingly illuminated and carefully researched in Brown's book are of the kind that rattle worlds and question core beliefs and make your id sit up and go, hmm, maybe this means something slightly more, you know, potent. And wicked. And dangerous. In a good way. The book, of course, deals with hidden and long-buried truths surrounding the Holy Grail and all its concomitant intricate, astounding histories and secret societies and churchly deceptions, art and sex and pagan symbol, all very factual and well documented and all relating back to the "real" Jesus and his life, his true teachings and, of course, his wife -- and the church's ongoing, centuries-old oppression of the divine feminine. Hey, it's a page-turner. But it's also packed with enough intense and well-researched fact about art and religious "truth" and the church's repressed pagan history to make anyone but the most blindly devout begin to see things anew. But here's the divine gist: You don't have to stop with the book. The great thing about "The Da Vinci Code" is that it could very well do for the mass public what no other chunk of dense scholarly research, no subversive New Age movement, no horrific blood-drenched movie depicting the gruesome and sadomasochistic bludgeoning of a popular Jewish mystic could do: that is, offer the general public wide-open access to vital, unsettling questions of faith, of power, of Mystery with a capital M. It's true. Could the wild popularity of this little book mean we're more ready to hear more potent, revealing truths, to uncover the more divine meanings behind all those seemingly commonplace things we take for granted, to question those stagnant histories and false gods that have been so viciously forced upon us? Could it maybe indicate that we really are more ready than we've ever been to go beyond the church's meager misogynistic homophobic revisionist teachings, to start seeing the deeply mystical and hilariously twisted interconnectedness of the world? You think? I, for one, didn't want to read Brown's book. I am not much of a fan of quickie best-seller page-turners with minimal character development and nonexistent literary nuance and sledgehammer plot devices. But that's just the lit snob in me. I read it anyway. And I had a blast. And I realized, there is a lesson here. And it does not have to be about massive conspiracy theory. You do not have to agree with every conclusion in the book and start running around trying to uncover links to secret societies while sinister forces move about the Louvre. You do not even need to begin with the rather insidious and soul-delimiting dangers of organized religion. You can focus this kind of perspective, this awareness, on just about anything in your life. Food. Cars. Sex. Politics. Guns. You trust your instincts and pick at a thread of curiosity and you pull, read up and educate yourself, and pretty soon you're reading "Fast Food Nation" or "High and Mighty" or "Stupid White Men" and realizing not only how you've been duped but also how refreshing it is to see through the masks and the bogus marketing and the hidden histories. It does not have to be complicated. You simply begin to notice. You begin to see the signs, understand the symbols, the divine winks, realize that there are enormous hidden worlds of belief and interconnected history just under the manufactured and carefully orchestrated surface of things, mysteries that have long gone unnoticed or underappreciated or ignored but that are ready and eager for you to discover them anew. Old buildings have ghostly mystery. Cities are teeming with forgotten and often culturally blasphemous histories. Churches are packed with stolen pagan iconography. That enormous tree in the city park was there long before you were born and has stories of sex and revolution and lost dogs and time. See it? Simply put, taking Brown's book as a cue, you can begin to see the world with new eyes. And you can begin to understand that mystics were right: It is indeed a wildly animated, kaleidoscopic, convoluted, maddening, ever-morphing world -- one that is most certainly not all about allowing yourself to be trapped by the narrow mythology set forth in one, say, pseudo holy book's version of life, of flesh, of truth. After all, where is the mystery, the divine feminine thrust, the raw page-turning heat, in that?
That much is certain...
Hey, do you two have something going that you would like to share with the rest of us?
Hallelujah, amen.
I see you've still got that weasel up your ass.
Not sure Mr. Sharp Guy ... from the Un of New Hampshire ... but links don't link ... sorry.
Ok, just start up the crap again. Go ahead. Make my day.
Oh Gee. Now I am blushing.
It took every ounce of restraint on my part to resist responding to this foot- in-mouth remark. Thank you. Actually noone222, I was just teasing Sam - as I always do.
Still good at avoiding the pointed questions, aren't ya?
Well, if you would just stop writing it in Disappearing Ink...... Sheesh! Do I have to remind you of EVERYTHING??? ;0)
Hey, I'm just the Adversary. "HE" got the Omni stuff. I can only be one place at at time and handle so many tasks at once. You know how hard it is to get truly good demonic minions these days?
Just "pointed" heads ... pin-head !
I'm repentant ... really I am ... I know the end is nigh ... or neigh.
Now don't make me sic Mr. Thread Pirate on you! ARRRRRGH!
Actually, I'm a breast man myself. I haven't been the same since my mother breast-fed me. She ruined my life.
You're really TLBShow, aren't you?
I can safely say that is way more information than I ever needed to know about you, Don.
This thread needs a good highjacking.
But that is my choice, and one I will never regret. But trying to explain my faith to those without faith is not worth the effort and hardly worth the fight. What you see as Fable, I see as Firm Ground. What you see as Fact, I see as the ever changing will of man. And so forth and so on.
Then can I count on no more questions?
And, no more dumb statements from you on Christianity?
Probably not. This thread is undergoing a form of "evolution."
Ok, then. What will be will be.
If you'll shut up about "scientists killing the world"...
And I see you're still a nosy little turd.
then I shall summon the Thread Pirates....
Well, that would be a little hard. That stuff is in the daily news.
One of my fave un-shopped gifs.
Ok, that kid will grow up a wise man.
Baby we could talk all night, but that ain't gettin us nowhere. Write me back when you get that Costa Rican IP address. Maybe my opinion of you will improve. It's got nowhere to go but up.
Then, I'm sorry, all bets are off. :)
then I shall summon the Thread Pirates.... Now why would you want to do that may I ask?
Folks, it is not safe to go back into the water.
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#435. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#429)
Samuel Gray (said):
#436. To: noone222 (#435)
#437. To: Samuel Gray (#434)
#438. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#429)
Dang! I just lost the bettig pool!
#439. To: 2Trievers (#430)
#440. To: Flintlock (#438)
#441. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, All (#0)
Can the blasphemous bestseller help you see the mystical world anew, or is it just another doorstop?
#442. To: 2Trievers (#437)
No body understands us anyway
#443. To: Samuel Gray, 2Trievers (#442)
#444. To: 2Trievers (#441)
allowing yourself to be trapped by the narrow mythology set forth in one, say, pseudo holy book's version of life, of flesh, of truth.
#445. To: Samuel Gray (#440)
Still leading with your charm , eh, Flint?
#446. To: Don (#439)
#447. To: Samuel Gray, 2Trievers (#444)
#448. To: 2Trievers (#446)
#449. To: noone222, Samuel Gray (#435)
Samuel Gray (said): I'm the freakin anti-Christ
#450. To: Flintlock (#445)
#451. To: Samuel Gray (#432)
Besides, I'm thin on top and that 666 birthmark thing would be a bit overt and tend to scare the Fundies.
#452. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#451)
#453. To: Samuel Gray (#450)
Still good at avoiding the pointed questions, aren't ya?
#454. To: Don (#447)
#455. To: Samuel Gray (#434)
agree, I was referring to the weird practice of bozoing folks that "talk dirty".
#456. To: 2Trievers (#454)
#457. To: noone222 (#453)
#458. To: Don (#456)
#459. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#455)
#460. To: 2Trievers (#444)
allowing yourself to be trapped by the narrow mythology set forth in one, say, pseudo holy book's version of life, of flesh, of truth.
#461. To: Samuel Gray (#458)
#462. To: All (#461)
#463. To: Don (#461)
Then can I count on no more questions?
#464. To: Samuel Gray (#463)
#465. To: Don (#462)
And, no more dumb statements from you on Christianity?
#466. To: Samuel Gray (#450)
Still good at avoiding the pointed questions, aren't ya?
#467. To: Samuel Gray, justlurking, Thread Pirate (#459)
This thread needs a good highjacking.
#468. To: Samuel Gray (#465)
#469. To: Don (#456)
#470. To: 2Trievers (#469)
#471. To: Flintlock (#466)
#472. To: Don (#468)
Well, that would be a little hard. That stuff is in the daily news.
#473. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#467)
This thread needs a good highjacking.
#474. To: Samuel Gray, All (#472)
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