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Title: Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'
Source: Netscape News
URL Source: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news ... 2&dt=20050315130200&w=RTR&covi
Published: Mar 15, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-03-15 17:59:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Cardinal, Blasts, Cheap
Views: 8777
Comments: 568

Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'

ROME (Reuters) - A top Catholic cardinal has blasted "The Da Vinci Code" as a "gross and absurd" distortion of history and said Catholic bookstores should take the bestseller off their shelves because it is full of "cheap lies."

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview with the Milan newspaper Il Giornale, became the highest ranking Italian Churchman to speak out against the book, an international blockbuster that has sold millions of copies.

"(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul told the paper in its Monday edition.

"This seems like a throwback to the old anti-clerical pamphlets of the 1800s," he said.

The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead.

Bertone's comments were significant because until the Pope named him archbishop of Genoa in 2003 he was for years the number two man at the Vatican's most powerful department - the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that."

HOLY GRAIL

A central storyline of the book is that the Holy Grail is not the cup which Christ is said to have used at the Last Supper but really the bloodline descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Bertone calls this idea "a perversion."

Bertone is so incensed about the novel that he will be the key speaker at a roundtable in Genoa Wednesday night attempting to dismantle the book, which also accuses the Church of covering up the female role in Christianity.

"I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said.

"I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said.

He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling The Da Vinci Code "for purely economic reasons."

One bookstore selling "The Da Vinci Code" is the one in the Gemelli Hospital, a Catholic institution where the Pope spent a total of 28 days in two stints in February and March.

In the interview, Bertone firmly rejected the book's claim that the feminine role in Christianity had been suppressed.

"This is one of the most vulgar of inventions. The feminine element is present in all the Gospels," Bertone said.

Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei, the conservative Church organization that the book depicts as a ruthless, Machiavellian group that resorts even to murder in its attempt to keep the Church's secrets hidden.

The novel is going to reach an even wider audience next year with the release of a film based on the book staring Tom Hanks.

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03/15/2005 13:02 RTR

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#155. To: Samuel Gray (#154)

And that brings us back to "My God can beat up your facts". Sigh.

I don't see it that way. I don't think that I have come close to saying anything that might even lead you in that direction. Belief or faith is simply that. And, it isn't nice to belittle people's faith. When it is done, people have to respond. As I said before, we have the first amendment in this country. Christianity is a religion and is protected under the Bill of Rights. That is a simple and straighforward fact. There are many people who do not believe in Christ. Fine. But, people who criticize Christ or Christians should expect a response from Christians. That is the bottom line.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Samuel Gray (#154)

We can stop talking about the subject. I don't have a problem with that. Let's see if others have that same thought.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Samuel Gray (#154)

And that brings us back to "My God can beat up your facts". Sigh.

I don't see it that way. I don't think that I have come close to saying anything that might even lead you in that direction. Belief or faith is simply that. And, it isn't nice to belittle people's faith. When it is done, people have to respond. As I said before, we have the first amendment in this country. Christianity is a religion and is protected under the Bill of Rights. That is a simple and straighforward fact. There are many people who do not believe in Christ. Fine. But, people who criticize Christ or Christians should expect a response from Christians. That is the bottom line.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#151)

Well, this day seems to be beat up on the Christians day. At least, the lions haven't been released yet.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: All (#157)

I am seeing two of the same posts now. How did the same post get posted twice. I hate these dumb Apple computers. I am at school now.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Don (#158)

At least, the lions haven't been released yet.

I don't know about you, but I don't fear lions either. At least they go straigt for the jugular - making death quick and painless.

These two camps are never going to find common ground, and each tends to blame the other for today's/yesterday's woes (Science Community/Christian Community).

But like you, I will not be berated or belitteld for my beliefs. And I suppose, we should also not berate others for not believing. God did grant man free will.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   14:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: rowdee (#136)

The book is generally attributed by all theological scholars of various denominations to have been Moses.

Moses was raised by the daughter of the Pharoah as a son of Pharoah. I suspect he would have been well educated. How about you?

Indeed, most biblocal scholars attribute the book of genesis to Moses, but he is only the one that wrote them down, the stories themselves were older still, they were stories created by sheepherders. They were stories created by them to explain things that they did not understand, and to create a patriarchal society from a matriarchal one.

Which the Genesis stories do very well.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   14:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: crack monkey (#152)

Is it accurate to say that it was perverted by the Catholics? I have seen Bibles dating from 800 AD. There is one on display in Cork Ireland that dates from this period.

I think you are refering to the Vulgate, a Latin Translation by St. Jerome. The Protestant King James Version of the Bible is not precisely the same, as it does not contain the Apocrapha for one. Was it accepted unaltered by Protestant sects? The Alterations in the varying translations are vast. Moreover, to whom will you entrust the power to determind what books of the Bible were forgeries, and which were genuine.

I must at this point, clarify my above post, when I wrote, "it's teachings were perverted by the Catholics," I was refering to doctrinal matter in answer to Mr. Gray supposition that the Bible was the root of wars, pestilences, and the dark ages

Continental Op  posted on  2005-03-16   14:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#160)

each tends to blame the other for today's/yesterday's woes (Science Community/Christian Community).

Lions are no big deal. Four of them are living in my house now. At least, they think they are lions.

I don't blame science for today's woes. There is a spiritual warfare going on and science is only being used in it. The politicians themselves are only pawns.

Belittlement for believing in Christ is something which people should respond to. Christians are not second-class citizens for believing in Christ, nor are they dumb, illogical, or uneducated. And, that is something that the people who "know better" can't seem to understand.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:21:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Don (#158)

Who needs Lions when we have Jael?

Christians eat their own now, if you don't believe exactly like another Christian, you are condemned to hell, right? LOL

Lions, we don't need no stinking lions, you guys eat each other.....

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   14:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Aric2000 (#164)

you guys eat each other.....

In your dreams, Bud. In your dreams.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Don (#163)

Belittlement for believing in Christ is something which people should respond to. Christians are not second-class citizens for believing in Christ, nor are they dumb, illogical, or uneducated. And, that is something that the people who "know better" can't seem to understand.

The only christians that I will place that label to would be literalist fundamentalists, which of course we have a few here.

Most Christians understand that Evolution is a scientific theory, and therefore not a threat to religion, others freak out, like the chuch of old.

We evolved, get over it, maybe god had something to do with it, maybe he didn't.

Maybe he created the universe and then walked away, and all religion is just wishful thinking. The earth is but an atom in a huge universe, and we are but tiny little electrons that mean nothing to the vastness of space. The only ones that think that we are important, are ourselves. Which is good, because that is a survival mechanism, built into us over billions of years.

But when literalists take the bible LITERALLY, they become ignorant savages, who would probably be happier in the middle ages, and if we had a time machine, I would be more then happy to send them there.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   14:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Aric2000 (#166)

First, you say evolution is a theory. Then, you say we did evolve.

A theory is not fact. Game over. Get used to it.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   14:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Don (#165)

In your dreams, Bud. In your dreams.

Not in my dreams buddy, it's a fact, or did you miss Jael and her rants about how Catholics are all condemned to hell, and how if you don't believe exactly how she believes you also will go to hell.

Some of you claim to have the one true line to God, and then fight it out.

It is fun to watch to say the least.

If it were ACTUALLY the word of god, it would be INCAPABLE of being misinterpreted.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   14:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Aric2000 (#166)

What, you mean the earth is older than six thousand years? And the Ark had dinosaurs? (Google up "dinosaurs and Noah's ark" for a larf).

What about the 400 species of hummingbirds? Did he take some of each, Or did we have "fast forward" evolution from just the original two?

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   14:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Aric2000 (#168)

Jael is a bad example of anything, let alone the God she purports to represent. I can almost see "Him" sitting with head in His Hand saying "Boy, I f**ked up when I made THAT one..."

The knife definitely turned in the Potter's Hand when he threw Jael on the wheel.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   14:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Don (#167)

Poor Don, another that is clueless about what a "theory" in science actually is.

I call it willful ignorance, because it might make you question your faith, and can't have that, sheeple should NOT think for themselves, right Don?

ROFLMAO!!!

Evolution is a theory not a fact? ROFLMAO!!

You just keep repeating that.... but it won't make it true....

Poor Fundie, I feel for your ignorance, I really do....

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   14:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Samuel Gray (#169)

What about the 400 species of hummingbirds? Did he take some of each, Or did we have "fast forward" evolution from just the original two?

He took 7 of the clean beasts and only 2 of the unclean ...

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   14:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: noone222 (#172)

He took 7 of the clean beasts and only 2 of the unclean ...

Ah. That cleared it right up. I'm going to stack and burn all my science books right now.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   14:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Don, All (#163)

Belittlement for believing in Christ is something which people should respond to. Christians are not second-class citizens for believing in Christ, nor are they dumb, illogical, or uneducated. And, that is something that the people who "know better" can't seem to understand.

"E-fucking-zactly"

Many in our society today suffer from an extreme case of undeserved, self- imposed, intellectual arrogance that blinds them to the terrible limitations of their pea-brains. These self-described Einsteins, are in truth, mental midgets that think it's OK to Blaspheme God and His Word, while "championing" a (sub) human species that has been a blight upon humanity from its inception.

"Rich"

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   14:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Samuel Gray (#173)

I'm going to stack and burn all my science books right now.

Great idea in your case ... all you'll miss are the pictures !

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   14:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: noone222 (#174)

"championing" a (sub) human species that has been a blight upon humanity from its inception.

You wanna spell that one out? C'mon, you know you do.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   14:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: noone222 (#175)

That's lame, even for you. You and Quantrill are birds of an ideological feather, aren't you? Do you get your sheets and hoods starched and pressed at the same place?

I'd say you were "philosophical" brethren, but the word means "lover of wisdom" and the light of wisdom has never darkened a corner of what passes for your brain.

I strongly suspect your brand of picture books are the kind you hold up w/ one hand while "stroking your ego" with the other.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Samuel Gray (#176)

You wanna spell that one out?

It would only serve a purpose to do so for someone that can read. You don't qualify.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: noone222 (#172)

He took 7 of the clean beasts and only 2 of the unclean ...

Did Noah take two of each species of bacteria? Did he take two even if the bacteria reproduced asexually? Where did he keep the bacteria? Did Noah and his family infect themselves with every disease in existence?

What about viruses? Did Noah collect two of each of these or are these not considered to be living things?

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   15:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Samuel Gray (#177)

I strongly suspect your brand of picture books are the kind you hold up w/ one hand while "stroking your ego" with the other.

I'm more inclined (and so are "many others" on this forum) to believe that you have described your own book collection ... and your own "ego"

and we will never be "brethern"

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: noone222 (#174)

God and His Word, while "championing" a (sub) human species that has been a blight upon humanity from its inception.

Are you saying the Jesus wants us to hate and kill the Jews? Don't beat around the bush on this one.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   15:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: noone222 (#178)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: crack monkey (#179)

Did Noah collect two of each of these or are these not considered to be living things?

I think we may get all of the answers at some point in time, not today.

I'm not convinced that the "flood" was universal ... it may have been restricted to a particular area that was the "known" world ...

I'm not sure the Bible was written to answer every question that mankind might develope.

I heard a Scientist say that to believe the universe was created by a big boom was tantamount to believing a tornado blowing through a junk yard could build a Space Shuttle. I agree with him.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: noone222 (#178)

You bloody coward. Can't even say it straight out? You gutless, nutless hate filled sack of pus.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Samuel Gray (#182)

Huh ... spit it out !!!

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: noone222 (#180)

I'm more inclined (and so are "many others" on this forum)

Name names or STFU, you neanderthal pussy.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: crack monkey, noone222 (#181)

Are you saying the Jesus wants us to hate and kill the Jews? Don't beat around the bush on this one.

That's exactly what he believes, he's just too much of a coward to say it out and own it like a man.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: noone222 (#183)

I'm not convinced that the "flood" was universal ... it may have been restricted to a particular area that was the "known" world ...

I'm not sure the Bible was written to answer every question that mankind might develope.

That's a good answer. There does seem to be quite a bit of evidence that some sort of world changing flood took place. As you probably know, it exists int he folklore of other cultures in the region. Some think this is the flooding of the black sea and others think it was a meteor strike or volcanic erruption.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   15:17:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: Samuel Gray (#184)

You bloody coward. Can't even say it straight out? You gutless, nutless hate filled sack of pus.

This type of speech will reduce the positive effect of your blood pressure medicine. Calm down Sam, the girls will be forced to throw you out if these outbursts of yours aren't corrected. Try prozac or ritalin ... children's doses would be most applicable.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: noone222 (#189)

the girls will be forced to throw you out

Let 'em. That's the only way to keep me from responding to your particularly virulent brand of hatred.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Samuel Gray (#187)

Are you saying the Jesus wants us to hate and kill the Jews? Don't beat around the bush on this one.

That's exactly what he believes, he's just too much of a coward to say it out and own it like a man.

Oh Sam, how distraught you appear to be today. Is your dog menustrating ?

I don't think you can cite me ever saying that, even though sometimes I think the Jews do things that make people want to hate and kill them.

You really shouldn't put words in Jesus' mouth, he hasn't returned yet and can't defend himself.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: noone222 (#191)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: Samuel Gray (#192)

Huh ... c'mon ... calm down and type your response before you hit the button.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   15:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: noone222 (#191)

I was quoting crackmonkey's question to you, dimbulb, which you haven't had the cojones to answer yet either.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   15:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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