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Title: Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'
Source: Netscape News
URL Source: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news ... 2&dt=20050315130200&w=RTR&covi
Published: Mar 15, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-03-15 17:59:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Cardinal, Blasts, Cheap
Views: 8434
Comments: 568

Top Cardinal Blasts 'Da Vinci Code' as 'Cheap Lies'

ROME (Reuters) - A top Catholic cardinal has blasted "The Da Vinci Code" as a "gross and absurd" distortion of history and said Catholic bookstores should take the bestseller off their shelves because it is full of "cheap lies."

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview with the Milan newspaper Il Giornale, became the highest ranking Italian Churchman to speak out against the book, an international blockbuster that has sold millions of copies.

"(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul told the paper in its Monday edition.

"This seems like a throwback to the old anti-clerical pamphlets of the 1800s," he said.

The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead.

Bertone's comments were significant because until the Pope named him archbishop of Genoa in 2003 he was for years the number two man at the Vatican's most powerful department - the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that."

HOLY GRAIL

A central storyline of the book is that the Holy Grail is not the cup which Christ is said to have used at the Last Supper but really the bloodline descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Bertone calls this idea "a perversion."

Bertone is so incensed about the novel that he will be the key speaker at a roundtable in Genoa Wednesday night attempting to dismantle the book, which also accuses the Church of covering up the female role in Christianity.

"I will try to clear things up and help form consciences," the cardinal said.

"I think that when faced with affirmations that are so shameful and unfounded, readers who have even a minimum of basic (Christian) formation should react," he said.

He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling The Da Vinci Code "for purely economic reasons."

One bookstore selling "The Da Vinci Code" is the one in the Gemelli Hospital, a Catholic institution where the Pope spent a total of 28 days in two stints in February and March.

In the interview, Bertone firmly rejected the book's claim that the feminine role in Christianity had been suppressed.

"This is one of the most vulgar of inventions. The feminine element is present in all the Gospels," Bertone said.

Bertone also strongly defended Opus Dei, the conservative Church organization that the book depicts as a ruthless, Machiavellian group that resorts even to murder in its attempt to keep the Church's secrets hidden.

The novel is going to reach an even wider audience next year with the release of a film based on the book staring Tom Hanks.

© Copyright Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of Reuters Ltd.

03/15/2005 13:02 RTR

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#307. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#296)

You, dear lady, have mail!

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   20:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: justlurking (#299)

Yes....your answer.

I keep thinking, 'what part of fiction does this guy not get'?

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   20:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: christine (#302)

kelly, lol, do a visual in your mind.

I already have - If I have a CVA, it is crack monkeye's fault!

man! between that and trying to figger out what an asteroid orifice is, i feel like Rose Nyland on the Golden Girls.....

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#309)

what's a CVA?

christine  posted on  2005-03-16   20:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: rowdee (#308)

There was a clip on the news tonight about how the Church is telling Catholics they can't read the book and now that the Church has said that, if they do, it will be a sin. My thought sitting there was there are only 10 sins I need to pay attention to. What the Church decides to make up as *sin* as they go is not factored in to my thinking. The Church needs to clean up it's own backyard before deciding on new sins for it's congregation. This crap is exactly why I am no longer a practicing Catholic.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-16   20:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#312. To: justlurking (#311)

The Catholic Church used to have a list of interdicted books. Catcher in the Rye was on it. I don't know if they still have it or not.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   20:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#313. To: christine (#310)

CVA = Cerebral Vascular Accident = a STROKE

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-03-16   20:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#314. To: justlurking (#311)

Unbelievable!

More of the 'do dos and don't dos' of man-made religion.

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   20:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#315. To: crack monkey (#312)

The Catholic Church used to have a list of interdicted books. Catcher in the Rye was on it. I don't know if they still have it or not.

That was mentioned on the clip as well. Stated the list hasn't been used since '68. They don't have any business banning anything.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-16   20:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#316. To: justlurking (#299)

I just happen to think it's more than Jesus being married.

There are pictures in the Middle of the Book, Glossies of Pope Pius in Drag, drinking freshly made wine with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, singing for the Wedding Feast at Cana ... "What a friend we have in Jesus"

How's That ?

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   20:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#317. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#313)

Oh. I thought it stood for Crowbars Visiting Alleycats.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-03-16   20:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#318. To: noone222 (#316)

How's That ?

Sheesh! It's FICTION. If the guy marketed it as anything else, I could maybe understand the uproar. IMHO the Church is just trying to get the focus off their pesky little priest problem.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-16   20:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#319. To: noone222 (#316)

There are pictures in the Middle of the Book, Glossies of Pope Pius in Drag, drinking freshly made wine with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, singing for the Wedding Feast at Cana ... "What a friend we have in Jesus"

Post it here man, put up or shut up.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   20:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#320. To: justlurking (#311)

This crap is exactly why I am no longer a practicing Catholic.

That's why they let everyone eat meat on Friday now ... fucked up my mind when I was 13 years old eating hamburgers every Friday afternoon thinking ... shit, I'm going to hell for this, ... all through grade school ... peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, dry salmon (yuk), tuna fish, any other religion was looking good to me.

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   20:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#321. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

These same people think Saddam had nukes..

How will you explain complex things like Christianity, if they can barely dress themselves and fear daily of the chaotic and murderous "Ragheads" running loose in their midst?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   20:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#322. To: noone222 (#320)

That's why they let everyone eat meat on Friday now ... fucked up my mind when I was 13 years old eating hamburgers every Friday afternoon thinking ... shit, I'm going to hell for this, ... all through grade school ... peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, dry salmon (yuk), tuna fish, any other religion was looking good to me.

LOL! I dunno, the Baptists have their own funny little rules as well. Arn't they the ones that forbid dancing? My in-laws still reserve Friday for fish. Last time they were here, I forgot and made pork. Guess I shoulda been glad they weren't muslim.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-16   20:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#323. To: justlurking (#318)

It has some basis in historical fact. I have the companion book "Breaking the Code", that discusses some of the historical research and thought behind Brown's book.

Yes, he took artistic license, but there is fire underneath all that smoke, and legends going back into antiquity.

The Catholics don't care much for it on several levels, not the least of which is the relationship between Jesus and the Magdalene, but also because they don't come off in a good light when it comes to manipulating what books went in the Bible and what was omitted.

Divine guidance at times seemed more line eeny meeny miny moe. Or whatever version of that game they used in 760 AD.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   20:47:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#324. To: Samuel Gray (#323)

but also because they don't come off in a good light when it comes to manipulating what books went in the Bible and what was omitted.

One thing the Church has been very good at is manipulating. Took me a long time to see it, but once I did, I was out of there. I still believe in God, Jesus, and in an afterlife. I just go about it through channels other than organized religion now.

Nice to see you btw, gotta go, hubby is due in any minute and he has been gone for almost two weeks. I suspect he won't want me pecking away on the computer and want some supper. BBL

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-16   20:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#325. To: Dakmar (#319)

Post it here man, put up or shut up.

I was merely attempting a little levity ... Pope Pious wasn't in drag, but did appear a little intoxicated !

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   20:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#326. To: Jhoffa_ (#321)

How will you explain complex things like Christianity, if they can barely dress themselves and fear daily of the chaotic and murderous "Ragheads" running loose in their midst?

How do you explain me?

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   20:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#327. To: Everyone except Don (#326)

How do you explain me?

Y'all been getting Don high?

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   21:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#328. To: Don (#326)

Don, since this article and the following discussion has both began and then trended toward the abstract... I'm afraid I have no idea what you're referencing here.

You are going to have to be specific if we are going to disagree on anything.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   21:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: Jhoffa_ (#279)

Damning me with faint praise, eh? OK, so I like to stir things a bit. This had the potential for a good discussion for people who have read Brown's book.

Besides, we needed to talk about something besides Gannon and where he stuck his cannon, and the evil Jews are taking over the world scenario.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   21:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#330. To: Dakmar (#327)

It's towlie... again!

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   21:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#331. To: Samuel Gray (#329)

Nah, just telling the truth.

We both know enough to render the rest of this conversation moot.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   21:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: Jhoffa_ (#331)

Damn...it woulda been fun to discuss Gnostic gospels and the Nag Hammadi scrolls. :)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   21:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#333. To: Samuel Gray (#332)

Ahhh.. Sam, you're wasting your potential..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   21:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#334. To: noone222 (#320)

You want an idea of something messing someone's mind up.

My husband adopted his baby nephew when he married before. They were so afraid of the little guy finding out his real mother was husband's sister, who was married to a little marine who beat the shit out of her, drug her out of the birthing bed to fix him something to eat, etc. They signed the boy over to hubby, as the sister decided to join the military, too.

When the boy was about 14, husband and wife split. The kids had been raised Catholic. It was at this time that the boy started acting up and doing crap to get in trouble.

Turns out he had talked to his Grandpa about who his parents were. This kid was so screwed up trying to meld the religious aspect to legal aspect. In his mind, his mother/aunt and his father/uncle had had an incestous relationship with him being the product!

Further complicate that by husband and his then wife---Catholics don't believe in divorce. She had been divorced before marrying (my) hubby, and didn't have a dispensation or whatever from the church! So the kid thinks she and hubby/dad/uncle were living in sin all that time.

This kid was a real basket case. Just off the deep end......got into drugs. Finally, just before his 18th birthday, he wanted to enlist in the Army and straighten out. He made it through most of the service before medical problems caused his discharge.

So far as I know, he's still fucked up because of it.

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   21:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#335. To: Jhoffa_ (#328)

How will you explain complex things like Christianity, if they can barely dress themselves and fear daily of the chaotic and murderous "Ragheads" running loose in their midst?

How do you explain me?

Ok, we should agree or disagree on the foundation of the question anyway.

I think that I am able to dress myself and drive a car anyway. I have no fear of the "chaotic and murderous "Ragheads" running loose."

I did not vote for Bush. I voted third party. I am constantly talking in a negative manner about Bush and his cohorts.

I think that I can understand fairly complex things. I turned down joining the Sigma Tau Delta English Society at the university. However today, I joined the university honor society which only something like ten percent of all of the students attending the university can join. There are over 2200 students on campus.

There are other people here who are smart and still defend the Bible, Christians, and Christ.

How do you explain us in your model above?

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   21:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#336. To: Don (#335)

How? With a single word: Sarcasm..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   21:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#337. To: Jhoffa_ (#336)

Sarcasm is a wonderful art to develop.

Don  posted on  2005-03-16   21:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#338. To: noone222 (#138)

My sister had a near death experience, which she detailed for me. I don't say this is proof of anything ... but it's a little shred of evidence !

You may find it compelling, but it does not rise to the level of "evidence."

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-16   21:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#339. To: Continental Op (#141)

You stated that the Bible was a "work of fiction."

And it is. Those of us who read books realize that writers often wrap their fiction around actual historical events. That doesn't magically turn their stories into truth.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-16   21:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#340. To: Continental Op (#142)

why? they died out, under persocution. The Bible didn't. The Bible has endured. how do you account for that?

So... Are you saying that if one religion can wipe out another and destroy all of the writings of the other, that automatically makes the murderous one the truth?

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-16   21:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#341. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#340)

So... Are you saying that if one religion can wipe out another and destroy all of the writings of the other, that automatically makes the murderous one the truth?

Worked for the US during the Civil War. Damned old Confederacy.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   21:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#342. To: Don (#150)

Counselor, this isn't a court of law. It's your decision to believe or not.

My comments have no relevance to the shenanigans that go on in a court of law. I was speaking to reason, reality and logic. But, if you wish to set reason, reality and logic aside, that indeed is your choice.

In the meantime, we have the First Amendment in this country. Freedom of Religion and all that? I can start a religion worshipping my right, big toe and I don't have to prove a thing.
I've in no way indicated that you should be prevented from worshiping as you please - provided you violate the rights of no person in the process. Have at it. Believe what you will.

Christianity and belief in Christ is much more established than my pretend church. Prove something? Yeah, right. In your dreams. Christianity is here and it will stay here. Sorry 'bout that. No, I'm not.
Lots of religions are here. Some are more populous than christianity. But, popularity is not proof. And, if the cardinal wishes to make accusations against the written works of other, he best look in the mirror first, else he stands to be laughed at for the fool that he makes himself.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-16   22:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#343. To: Jhoffa_ (#321)

These same people think Saddam had nukes..

No, I don't think they actually thought Saddam had nukes. I think they knew that he did not. They just relished the thought of seeing the opposing religion suffer a few million killed.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-16   22:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#344. To: rowdee (#334)

Catholics don't believe in divorce.

Did you know that the Bible says "Call no man father but your heavenly Father ?

Right off the bat the Catholic Church commits a misdemeanor violation by making kids call the priests "Father" ... and they are habitual in this effort, having violated this ordinance repeatedly for thousands of years. They have shown no remorse and continue this practice in violation of the Bible.

The Catholic Church also makes rules as it goes, like no meat on Friday, and no Communion with the Lord unless you come to the table "WORTHY". Jesus said do this in remembrance of me, and he also said none are worthy, all men's righteousness is as filthy rags.

Jesus was no bullshit artist and he didn't come here to hang out with the self- righteous hypocrits at the church. He even said a physician comes to heal the sick, not the healthy. That's us, and we don't start getting well until we remember Him, and forget us.

However, the Catholic Church wrongly interprets scripture to keep their followers from "remembering Him".

noone222  posted on  2005-03-16   22:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#345. To: noone222, Jhoffa_ (#344)

Jesus was no bullshit artist

Jesus Was A Terrorist

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   22:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: rowdee (#229)

You most certainly have the right to believe you evolved from monkeys.

When you learn what evolution ACTUALLY is and what it says, we'll talk, until then, you are just a superstitious ignorant savage as far as I am concerned.

Learn a little science, your mind may actually expand, and you might, just might, learn to think for yourself.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-03-16   22:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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