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Title: A Militia Has Taken Over A Federal Building In Oregon
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ASSOCIATED PRESS
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry ... efuge_56888a61e4b0b958f65be382
Published: Jan 3, 2016
Author: staff
Post Date: 2016-01-03 11:35:25 by Ada
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Views: 210
Comments: 14
BURNS, Ore. (AP) — A protest in support of Oregon ranchers facing jail time for arson was followed by an occupation of a building at a national wildlife refuge led by members of a family previously involved in a showdown with the federal government. Ammon Bundy — the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a standoff with the government over grazing rights — told The Oregonian on Saturday that he and two of his brothers were among a group of dozens of people occupying the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page asking for militia members to come help him. He said "this is not a time to stand down. It's a time to stand up and come to Harney County," where Burns is located. Below the video is this statement: "(asterisk)(asterisk)ALL PATRIOTS ITS TIME TO STAND UP NOT STAND DOWN!!! WE NEED YOUR HELP!!! COME PREPARED."
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#1. To: Ada (#0)
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They certainly could have chosen some place more strategic than this. The goobs will have no problem blowing that place off the map. And how many dozens of people are there? They need food and water. As soon as electricity is cut off, they will be in deep doo-doo. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Just like they did with Mt. Carmel.
Seems it's not all that militant. There are no fed employees involved on site, so there's no hostage issues. Going that route downplays the seriousness of the deed, and will be better for garnering public support. Seems it's more of a civil disobedient, armed sit-in of an empty fed building.
How much time can they get for civil disobedience, a month in county jail, if that? ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Decades of fed bullying and actions like this are, sooner or later, what those bastards get. Other sources than HuffPo are picking this up for sure. Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
Feds are claiming Hammond set fires to cover up illegal poaching of deer, and "terrorism" was not an allegation made at trial.
The feds claim a lot of crap from way back (Vietnam) to more recently (Iraq, Afghanistan, Waco, etc.) to today. Lyin' sacksashit will always remain lyin' sacksashit. From: theconservativetreehouse.com/ (f) The Hammonds were forced to either build and maintain miles of fences or be restricted from the use of their private property. Cutting their ranch in almost half, they could not afford to fence the land, so the cattle were removed. (g) The Hammonds experienced many years of financial hardship due to the ranch being diminished. The Hammonds had to sale their ranch and home in order to purchase another property that had enough grass to feed their cattle. This property included two grazing rights on public land. Those were also arbitrarily revoked later. (h) The owner of the Hammond’s original ranch passed away from a heart attack and the Hammonds made a trade for the ranch back. (i) In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries. (j) In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”. (j) The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined that the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges. (k) In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges, they accused them of being “Terrorist” under the Federal Antiterrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death. Dwight & Steven’s mug shots were all over the news the next week posing them as “Arsonists”. Susan Hammond (Wife & Mother) said: “I would walk down the street or go in a store, people I had known for years would take extreme measures to avoid me”. (l) Shortly after the sentencing, Capital Press ran a story about the Hammonds. A person who identified as Greg Allum posted three comments on the article, calling the ranchers “clowns” who endangered firefighters and other people in the area while burning valuable rangeland. Greg Allum, a retired BLM heavy equipment operator, soon called Capital Press to complain that he had not made those comments and request that they be taken down from the website. Capital Press removed the comments. A search of the Internet Protocol address associated with the comments revealed it is owned by the BLM’s office in Denver, Colorado. Allum said, he is friends with the Hammonds and was alerted to the comments by neighbors who knew he wouldn’t have written them. “I feel bad for them. They lost a lot and they’re going to lose more,” Allum said of the ranchers. “They’re not terrorists. There’s this hatred in the BLM for them, and I don’t get it,” The retired BLM employee said. Jody Weil, deputy state director for communications at BLM’s Oregon office, indicated to reporters that if one of their agents falsified the comments, they would keep it private and not inform the public. (m) In September 2006, Dwight & Susan Hammond’s home was raided. The agents informed the Hammonds that they were looking for evidence that would connect them to the fires. The Hammonds later found out that a boot print and a tire tracks were found near one of the many fires. No matching boots or tires were found in the Hammonds home or on their property. Susan Hammond (Wife) later said; ” I have never felt so violated in my life. We are ranchers not criminals”. Steven Hammond openly maintains his testimony that he started the backfire to save the winter grass from being destroyed and that the backfire ended up working so well it put out the fire entirely altogether. (n) During the trial proceedings, Federal Court Judge Michael Hogan did not allow time for certain testimonies and evidence into the trail that would exonerate the Hammonds. Federal prosecuting attorney, Frank Papagni, was given full access for 6 days. He had ample time to use any evidence or testimony that strengthened the demonization of the Hammonds. The Hammonds attorney was only allowed 1 day. Much of the facts about the fires, land and why the Hammonds acted the way they did was not allowed into the proceedings and was not heard by the jury. For example, Judge Hogan did not allow time for the jury to hear or review certified scientific findings that the fires improved the health and productivity of the land. Or, that the Hammonds had been subject to vindictive behavior by multiple federal agencies for years. (o) Federal attorneys, Frank Papagni, hunted down a witness that was not mentally capable to be a credible witness. Dusty Hammond (grandson and nephew) testified that Steven told him to start a fire. He was 13 at the time and 24 when he testified (11 years later). At 24 Dusty had been suffering with mental problems for many years. He had estranged his family including his mother. Judge Hogan noted that Dusty’s memories as a 13-year-old boy were not clear or credible. He allowed the prosecution to continually use Dusty’s testimony anyway. When speaking to the Hammonds about this testimony, they understood that Dusty was manipulated and expressed nothing but love for their troubled grandson. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
it seems few people know that a group of native american indians comandeered alcatraz island off san francisco in the 1960s, and they actually DId have a prisoner or two, for a while, until they let them go. they were protesting the us gov's breaking of indian treaties. its quite a fascinating story, and if you ever visit you can spend literally days at this place. they have archived news footage, etc. this of course is in addition to its history as a prison, and civil war camp, prior to that., when we went around 2008 i got all kinds of pictures, they still have the spray paint on the walls as the boat approaches the island which says 'this is indian land.' the indians had people boat out supplies and they lived on the island for about 6 months. in the end, one of the leaders baby daughters fell off a balcony and died. that greatly hurt morale. and soon after that, there was a huge fire on the island. to this day the feds claim the indians started it, and the indians claim the feds started it, but that pretty much wiped out their occupation. the feds rushed in and arrested all of the remaining indians. it is a very fascinating tidbit of history. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
You mean that Dirty Harry didn't get the bad guys there like it shows in the movie? ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
He should get it. This is the "we are the government, and we are better than you" attitude these clowns have created for themselves. There is no justice in the world unless you make it for yourself. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
“Dude, these yahoos wouldn’t know what hit them. We already have snipers deployed to the area but,..” There was a lengthy pause. I urged him to continue. “Well, that location is very remote. There is really no risk to non-combatants if this thing goes hot. A couple of missiles and the whole thing will be over.” Thanks very much for posting that.
I find this a bit over the top. Feds got away with Waco mainly by claiming Koresh and company set the fires themselves. Feds would have a hard time explaining how those occupying the refuge building launched hellfire missiles at themselves. A military response like this would be a PR disaster for the feds.
Yer welcome, Pinguinite. We've got to keep the facts before the people - before the people allow their gov't to (once again) do something very stupid. "If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
occupation of a building at a national wildlife refuge
#2. To: BTP Holdings (#1)
#3. To: Ada (#0)
#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)
Seems it's more of a civil disobedient, armed sit-in of an empty fed building.
#5. To: Ada (#0)
#6. To: randge (#5)
#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)
Feds are claiming
(e) Shortly after the road & water disputes, the BLM & FWS arbitrarily revoked the Hammond’s upper grazing permit without any given cause, court proceeding or court ruling. As a traditional “fence out state” Oregon requires no obligation on the part of an owner to keep his or her livestock within a fence or to maintain control over the movement of the livestock. The Hammonds intended to still use their private property for grazing. However, they were informed that a federal judge ruled, in a federal court, that the federal government did not have to observe the Oregon fence out law. “Those laws are for the people, not for them”.
#8. To: BTP Holdings, randge, pinguinite, ada (#4)
#9. To: Artisan (#8)
it is a very fascinating tidbit of history.
#10. To: randge (#7)
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“They’re not terrorists. There’s this hatred in the BLM for them, and I don’t get it,”
#11. To: Ada (#0)
Drones over Malheur – BREAKING
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#12. To: randge (#7)
#13. To: hondo68 (#11)
“Dude, these yahoos wouldn’t know what hit them. We already have snipers deployed to the area but,..” There was a lengthy pause. I urged him to continue. “Well, that location is very remote. There is really no risk to non-combatants if this thing goes hot. A couple of missiles and the whole thing will be over.”
#14. To: Pinguinite (#12)
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