That's not what I got taught when I was a kid going to Sunday school.
That's not what I was taught in Catholic school either. But over the years, I've done some reading into various facets of ancient history and religion, including Judaism and the "hidden" knowledge of that faith.
The original Hebrew doesn't mean exactly the same thing as what is written in the translated text of the Old Testament, and is further clarified by the unwritten book of the Jewish faith, the Kabballah. The Kabballah provides the means to understand the true meanings of the Hebrew text, which is significantly different than any modern understanding of the Bible.
Basically, in addition to that passage in Genesis I mention, the Hebrew text uses a plural form of the word God, where the final meaning is that God is both masculine and feminine, and that is why we are created in that manner, along with every other living being in existance. It has to do with the duality of Nature, the positive and negative, the light and dark, the Alpha and the Omega if you will.
One school of thought is that when the masculine and feminine aspects of God unite, a new Universe is created. So our entire Universe is a child of God.
It's certainly not something most Jews would believe I'm sure, but there are some Jewish scholars that do.
Basically, in addition to that passage in Genesis I mention, the Hebrew text uses a plural form of the word God, where the final meaning is that God is both masculine and feminine, and that is why we are created in that manner, along with every other living being in existance. It has to do with the duality of Nature, the positive and negative, the light and dark, the Alpha and the Omega if you will.
For instance, where in the Bible the passage states, "God created Man in His own Image", the original Hebrew text states, "God created Man in Their own Image"...
Aaron can't even spell god right. He spells it, g*d.
That's how Jews spell God, as in Hebrew, God is spelt YHVH (using the Hebrew characters instead of their English representations), where the vowels are missing. The vowels are missing because supposedly, if the word was ever pronounced with the vowels, it would cause the very Earth to shake.
So in reverence, they leave out the vowel of the word God when writting it in English.
I'll be interested to see how Aaron replies to you and dog.
I thought it was interesting that dog posted that image which is basically taken from the old Soviet system of reporting on your neighbors and being a spy for the gooberment. If I recall, it's nearly an exact copy.
And it is also what the Hitler Youth was involved with, and which the D.A.R.E. program follows, to turn the kids into snitches who rat out on every little thing to the authorities.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
And also the mind's ability to create. What man can create, man can also destroy. The creative capacity of the mind of man is indeed a double edge sword.
e original Hebrew doesn't mean exactly the same thing as what is written in the translated text of the Old Testament, and is further clarified by the unwritten book of the Jewish faith, the Kabballah. The Kabballah provides the means to understand the true meanings of the Hebrew text, which is significantly different than any modern understanding of the Bible.
Why turn to the Kabbalah to understand these texts? There are bibles that give exact translations .. why turn to the occult?
Why turn to the Kabbalah to understand these texts? There are bibles that give exact translations .. why turn to the occult?
The Bible is not an exact translation, where the original Hebrew text of the Torah translated to English is significantly different than any version of Bible.
The Old Testament is a combination of several generations of translations of the Torah. The first translation was to Greek, and became known as the Septuagint. It was widely understood that it wasn't a very accurate translation. The second translation was that performed by Saint Jerome, where he translated the Hebrew text to Latin. That became known as the Vulgate, and was the basis of the Old Testament for the Roman Catholic Church, which decided which translations would become known as the Bible. Over time, it was translated to German and French, and then to English.
But in addition to all of that, it is said that even the Hebrew text is not the original text, as during a period of time that the Jews were an occupied people before the time of the New Testament, Hebrew as a language was basically lost. The ancient rabbis guarded the Torah and were the only ones that remembered how to read the text. When the occupation was lifted, over time a newer dialect of Hebrew came about. In order for the Torah to be understood, the original Hebrew had to be translated to the newer Hebrew, but the rabbis decided that the true text of the Torah could easily be misused by those who were profane, so they wrote it in such a way as to say one thing on the surface for the masses, and another true hidden meaning for the enlightened.
The key to the hidden meaning is an understanding of Gematria, which is the science of decoding Hebrew for its deeper meaning. That is part of Kabballah, where all rabbis have an understanding of that.
You are confusing non-Jewish occult societies use of that knowledge with the actual Jewish Kabballah. Here's a link if you're interested;
The Bible is not an exact translation, where the original Hebrew text of the Torah translated to English is significantly different than any version of Bible.
The Old Testament is a combination of several generations of translations of the Torah. The first translation was to Greek, and became known as the Septuagint. It was widely understood that it wasn't a very accurate translation. The second translation was that performed by Saint Jerome, where he translated the Hebrew text to Latin. That became known as the Vulgate, and was the basis of the Old Testament for the Roman Catholic Church, which decided which translations would become known as the Bible. Over time, it was translated to German and French, and then to English.
But in addition to all of that, it is said that even the Hebrew text is not the original text, as during a period of time that the Jews were an occupied people before the time of the New Testament, Hebrew as a language was basically lost. The ancient rabbis guarded the Torah and were the only ones that remembered how to read the text. When the occupation was lifted, over time a newer dialect of Hebrew came about. In order for the Torah to be understood, the original Hebrew had to be translated to the newer Hebrew, but the rabbis decided that the true text of the Torah could easily be misused by those who were profane, so they wrote it in such a way as to say one thing on the surface for the masses, and another true hidden meaning for the enlightened.
The key to the hidden meaning is an understanding of Gematria, which is the science of decoding Hebrew for its deeper meaning. That is part of Kabballah, where all rabbis have an understanding of that.
You are confusing non-Jewish occult societies use of that knowledge with the actual Jewish Kabballah. Here's a link if you're interested;
To begin what I was referring to are not the translations such as the King James etc..
The Kabbalah I am aware of it.. it is totally extrabiblical/torah etc.. on the same plane as the Talmud. Jesus of course warned of these things.
"neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men." (Mark 7:8)
"and why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" (Matthew 15:3)
Matthew 15:7"You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: 15:8`THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 15:9`BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.' "
"thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that." (Mark 7:13)
Mark 7:9 "And He said unto them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition."
I am not confusing non Jewish occult societies at all.. the Talmud is Jewish is it not? ... And Jesus had very harsh words for those who put the jewish people under the law of men.. the wisdom of the sages.. he called those who did white washed tombs full of dead man's bones.. And He called them hypocrites, vipers and liars..Luke 11:43"Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the chief seats in the synagogues and the respectful greetings in the market places. 11:44 "Woe to you! For you are like concealed tombs, and the people who walk over them are unaware of it."
And Paul said of them: Romans 10:1Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 10:2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 10:3For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
So the path you are taking won't give you the answers you are seeking.
I feel the need to make one last comment on this matter. The words you recite are the words of men, not of God. The only way of knowing God is to seek God, not to rely on words written about him.
The words you recite are the words of men, not of God.
One question.. are you not seeking the words of men with the Kabbalah..how is that path going to bring you knowledge of God since men have created that path?
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Spiders really work in today's high tech field of political discussion channels, upon www, ARC, BB, Usenet, IRC and so forth. You can slap these scripts onto any computer which forwards results to YOU over the internet, YOU the puppeteer; thus permitting more invasion upon any forum since the actual discussion(s) are outside of the known domain aliases without your IP addy.
One question.. are you not seeking the words of men with the Kabbalah..how is that path going to bring you knowledge of God since men have created that path?
I do not rely on the Kabballah, I merely reference it as a means to find the path to God. I myself believe in God, but don't believe in any one religion, as religion is just a rigid set of beliefs that are taught by men, and conceived by men.
From what I've discovered, there's a common thread throughout most of the world's religions, yet none of those religions agree on what the truth actually is. I HAVE found however, that the Kabballistic path allows one to understand what is real, and what is not.
Back when I was young, I was raised as a Roman Catholic. As I got older, I questioned the validity of its teachings, looking into various historical accounts as they relate to church teachings. I discovered that although historically, Christians proclaimed themselves THE religion that had the monopoly on the truth, they acted in such a way as to being that claim into serious doubt. Look at the horrific things that were done in the past, such as the Inquisition, the witch trials, the Crusades, etc.
As the prime teaching of Christ was the Golden Rule, and the very concept of calling oneself a Christian is that one attempts to emulate Christ, where one is supposed to treat others as one would wish to be treated, and to not pass judgement upon others, I found that to be in conflict with how many if not most of those people actually lived their lives.
I began to look into more esoteric books and such, and found what I believe to be the key to finding the truth of it all. The fact is, Christianity is based upon the belief that the Jewish teachings were in fact spot on, where the Father of Jesus is the God of the Jewish faith. One cannot truly understand Jesus if one does not delve into the teachings of that faith, much of which is nothing at all as most people believe it to be.
The Kabballah is as much a part of the Jewish faith as anything else, and is more of a guide to spirituality than any other book related to that faith. It could not exist without the Torah, but the truth contained in the Torah cannot be fully appreciated without the knowledge contained within the Kabballah.
SO you are saying Jesus was just a man like any other? Is that your belief?
I don't believe he was just an ordinary man like any other. I also don't believe he is God himself. We are ALL children of God, so the claim that Jesus is the ONLY son of God is impossible. It is thought that Jesus was an Essene Scholar, where the Essenes were the keepers of the knowledge of the Kabballah.
The primary goal of the Kabballist is to attain his Higher Self, where he is in direct spiritual contact with that part of him that resides in the Higher Realm, that which is the realm of the Divine.
If one were ever to attain that goal, one would be one with the Divine, as such, would be able to do things ordinary men would not be able to. God's will would work through that person, and that person would be able to do things seen as miraculous.
It is thought that Jesus accomplished that, as such, he performed God's will on earth.
The fact is, Christianity is based upon the belief that the Jewish teachings were in fact spot on, where the Father of Jesus is the God of the Jewish faith. One cannot truly understand Jesus if one does not delve into the teachings of that faith, much of which is nothing at all as most people believe it to be. < -- on this I agree.. to a point. Yes if you do not understand the law you cannot fully understand who Jesus is and what He came to do..
The Kabballah is as much a part of the Jewish faith as anything else, and is more of a guide to spirituality than any other book related to that faith. It could not exist without the Torah, but the truth contained in the Torah cannot be fully appreciated without the knowledge contained within the Kabballah. < -- on this I disagree.. Kabbalah is as is the Talmud.. and the Torah can be fully appreciated and understood fully w/o the Talmud or Kabbalah.. in fact IMO it convalutes it's message.
I don't believe he was just an ordinary man like any other. I also don't believe he is God himself. We are ALL children of God, so the claim that Jesus is the ONLY son of God is impossible. It is thought that Jesus was an Essene Scholar, where the Essenes were the keepers of the knowledge of the Kabballah.
The primary goal of the Kabballist is to attain his Higher Self, where he is in direct spiritual contact with that part of him that resides in the Higher Realm, that which is the realm of the Divine.
If one were ever to attain that goal, one would be one with the Divine, as such, would be able to do things ordinary men would not be able to. God's will would work through that person, and that person would be able to do things seen as miraculous.
It is thought that Jesus accomplished that, as such, he performed God's will on earth.
There is a diffference in one saying they are the 'son' of God and one saying they are a child of God.. based on the Torah..
It has been speculated that Jesus was w/o any proof of course..which IMO is an attack on who He himself said He was.. and why He came...
It has been speculated that Jesus was w/o any proof of course..which IMO is an attack on who He himself said He was.. and why He came...
Neither you or I have any idea of what Jesus truly said, as we were not there. We have to rely on some rather dubious accounts of his life, and either blindly believe them on faith alone, or look into their historical origins.
It is without doubt true that there was a Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Is is not clear as to what he said, as he never directly wrote anything that we know of, we have just the supposed words of his disciples.
< -- on this I disagree.. Kabbalah is as is the Talmud.. and the Torah can be fully appreciated and understood fully w/o the Talmud or Kabbalah.. in fact IMO it convalutes it's message.
I suppose we'll just have to agree that we disagree.
Neither you or I have any idea of what Jesus truly said, as we were not there. We have to rely on some rather dubious accounts of his life, and either blindly believe them on faith alone, or look into their historical origins.
It is without doubt true that there was a Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Is is not clear as to what he said, as he never directly wrote anything that we know of, we have just the supposed words of his disciples.
Now are you just referring to the words in the gospels what of the what Paul wrote and the others? What of Josephus who was not one of the disciples? Have you ever read any of his writings?
I suppose we'll just have to agree that we disagree.
A question.. why is it that you think that the Talmud and the Kabbalah is more valid than the writings of the disciples? Or am I mistaken in coming to that conclusion?
A question.. why is it that you think that the Talmud and the Kabbalah is more valid than the writings of the disciples? Or am I mistaken in coming to that conclusion?
The Kabballah is ancient Essene knowledge that predates most Biblical writings, as demonstrated by the Dead Sea Scrolls. I haven't much experience with the Talmud, but from what I understand, it is basically a collection of commentaries that may or may not be valid.
In order to understand the reasons why I view the relatively recent writings of the New Testament as dubious, you need to look into the historical origins of those writings. I can give you an excellent link if you're seriously interested.
The Kabballah is ancient Essene knowledge that predates most Biblical writings, as demonstrated by the Dead Sea Scrolls. I haven't much experience with the Talmud, but from what I understand, it is basically a collection of commentaries that may or may not be valid.
In order to understand the reasons why I view the relatively recent writings of the New Testament as dubious, you need to look into the historical origins of those writings. I can give you an excellent link if you're seriously interested.
Valid in what sense? The Talmud is basically commentary on the torah. I dont recall how many volumes but it is extensive. Much is from the time of the Babylonian captivity ..