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Title: Pope to Catholics: Oh My God, Please Stop Having So Many Kids
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URL Source: http://jezebel.com/cool-pope-to-cat ... lease-stop-having-s-1680538205
Published: Jan 16, 2016
Author: Shrayber
Post Date: 2016-01-16 08:35:07 by NeoconsNailed
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Views: 719
Comments: 27

Cool Pope (real name) just came back from visiting the largest Catholic nation in Asia and he's got some thoughts he needs to let out, namely the fact that maybe catholics have a "moral responsibility" not to have as many kids as they're having.

Of course Cool Pope doesn't say that Catholics should use contraception, but according to USA Today he says there are lots of ways that his flock can practice "responsible parenting" that doesn't involve the outside world invading their families nor produces so many children that parents have a hard time taking care of them.

From USA Today:

His comments on the subject of birth control, made aboard the papal jet returning to Rome from the Philippines, were described as apparently unprecedented by the National Catholic Reporter, an independent news organization that follows the Vatican.

Francis said there are plenty of church-approved ways to regulate births. He also said no outside institution should impose its views on regulating family size, blasting what he called "ideological colonization" of the developing world.

African bishops have long complained that Western ideas about birth control and gay rights are being imposed on the developing world by groups, institutions or nations, often as a condition for development aid.

"Every people deserves to conserve its identity without being ideologically colonized," Francis said......

(Isn't that a switch! And not being trumpeted worldwide as a major change of RC "teaching"? Half of Humanae Vitae, shot to pieces in one seemingly casual utterance from a plane. Needless to say I like it, and suspect the good folks at VHEMT will too. "A blind hog will find an acorn every now and then...." NN)

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#1. To: NeoconsNailed (#0)

there are lots of ways that his flock can practice "responsible parenting" that doesn't involve the outside world invading their families nor produces so many children that parents have a hard time taking care of them.

When I was a kid, Catholics were encouraged to have as many kids as they could afford to raise. There were some Irish families that had several kids. This policy was meant to keep the faith strong by rearing more Catholic kids. I just don't get it. Maybe I shouldn't have been a trucker my whole life. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-01-16   8:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

Which is the same reason the RCC fecklessly promotes open borders today -- the cliché is that most of them are Spanish-speaking and ergo natural-born Catholic communicants, but it AIN'T how it works in the real world.

You happen to have pulled out a curious passage. Says in effect "there are lots of ways" to keep from having too many kids -- what are they? The rhythm method or NFP, how good is it, especially when women are supposedly horniest during their period?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   9:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: NeoconsNailed (#2)

when women are supposedly horniest during their period?

Don't know about that. Most women I've known are horny most of the time, just like me. LOL

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-01-16   9:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

You seem to have done quite a survey :-)

They told us that in high school. Sex ed was something new and controversial. The rather smug teacher had the priceless name of Florence Snarski -- gee, mebbe she was gew like the half the rest of the staff!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   9:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: NeoconsNailed (#4)

Florence Snarski -- gee, mebbe she was gew like the half the rest of the staff!

Not with a name like Florence. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-01-16   9:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#5) (Edited)

Good point -- she sure acted it though. AH -- further down the line at Jezebel: Why You're So Horny During Your Period

I called this a great site for sex news, but it's extremely jaded and gliberal of course, but still a must for true fans of the subject :-]

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   9:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: NeoconsNailed, btp holdings (#0)

African bishops have long complained that Western ideas about birth control and gay rights are being imposed on the developing world by groups, institutions or nations, often as a condition for development aid.

"Every people deserves to conserve its identity without being ideologically colonized," Francis said......

(Isn't that a

This is from a blog quoting the usatoday quoting the ncr. NCR is legit so ill have to see if they reported what the pope actually said.

It appears from the quote above they're referring to the african bishops complaint that in order for these poorest nations to get aide, they're forced to comply with. The homo agenda and offer contraception to women, both sins in Catholicism. That is why the pope replied that they shouldn't be "ideologically colonized".

As far as comments the pope made on a plane, which are often twisted by the jew secular media, take it with a grain of salt and go to the original source.

Furthermore, regardless of what a pope quips on a plane, that has NOTHING to do with "changing the teaching of the catholic church." Nothing whatsoever has changed, other than this PR war and a particularly modernist and left leaning pontiff.

...

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   9:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Artisan (#7)

The teaching may have changed, but it surely appears he's making a major exception to it all of a sudden. We shall look forward to whatever refutation comes forth -- or equally to a lack of it.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   10:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: NeoconsNailed (#2)

-- the cliché is that most of them are Spanish-speaking and ergo natural-born Catholic communicants, but it AIN'T how it works in the real world.

You are so right. Most of the culture in mexico for example is even worse than here, with no shame whatsoever of rampant whoredom, promiscuity, abortion, divorce, adultery, shacking up, and very few of them care about Catholicism, if they even believe in God at all, which many don't.

If they go to church at all its for a wedding or baptism, strictly ceremonial and social, just for the party.

It is truly a vile culture. Trust me I know. This is not to say that america is any better either.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   10:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#9)

Seriously non-sarcastically, Art? Had no idea it was that bad, though I have read that many Latins that come here chuck whatever religion they had.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   10:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: NeoconsNailed (#8)

The teaching may have changed, but it surely appears he's making a major exception to it all of a sudden. We shall look forward to whatever refutation comes forth -- or equally to a lack of it.

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I believe you meant to write "the teaching may NOT have changed, but...."

Am I correct?

I do see your point though, that if the pope quips something of a radical leftist that goes against what even non catholics know is our tradition, the public at large takes that to mean that "the teaching has finally changed, got with the times!"

This pope has made so many such statements its incredible.. that we should never even try to convert jews, that atheists can go to heaven, that who is he to judge homos, there is even one in spanish going around that claimed the pope said there was no hell. The sad part is that I wouldn't find it hard to believe that he would say something that would be interpreted that way.

That particular one I haven't had the stomach to researxh/refute it.

This pope causes traditional Catholics much consternation.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   10:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#10)

Seriously non-sarcastically, Art?

Yes, that is my true opinion from what I've seen of mex genx. The younger are probably even worse.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   10:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: NeoconsNailed (#8)

I do see your point though, that if the pope quips something of a radical leftist that goes against what even non catholics know is our tradition, the public at large takes that to mean that "the teaching has finally changed, got with the times!"

This pope has made so many such state

That is why in the real world cultural terms, if the public believes that the popes quips on a plane have changed the church catechism, while not true, it becomes true in the minds of many.

It is very scary and outrageous. In my opinion this pope has done unspeakable damage to the RCC. He needs prayers very badly.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   10:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan (#11)

You're right -- that's what I meant.

In other words, he's bloody awful and really not much of a Catholic, huh! I'm afraid the statement stands until somebody just like you proves otherwise, and it's way beyond a mere quip or implication. But surely you agree with him in this case? Encyclical or no encyclical, people have to attempt to limit family size to what's manageable, right?

I used to worship the huge-family ideal and feel guilty for not having a dozen myself. But things are rarely as simple as they seem, and as I've mentioned it now appears a woman's later children are more prone to defects etc.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   10:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#12)

Juicy! Horrible and disappointing, but juicy. Useful as heck too! You've spent a lot of time there?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   10:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#14)

. But surely you agree with him in this case? Encyclical or no encyclical, people have to attempt to limit family size to what's manageable, right?

Like I said, I don't believe he said folks shouldn't have kids. I will verify what he actually said & reply to it later.

The sad truth is that the rcc is in shambles. I've read that many if not most modern "catholic" women are on the pill which is not only a sin, but they're also abortifacient, not preventing conception, but implantation.

There are very good theological reasons to not fall for the judeo-masonic led birth control mindset. It is very fear based, selfish & anti God. .

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   10:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: NeoconsNailed, Artisan (#10)

Some family friends who have long lived and missionaried in Mexico say that it's not unusual for a guest rapist to keep two families -- one wife in Mex and another one here in Mex2.

StraitGate  posted on  2016-01-16   10:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: NeoconsNailed (#15)

You've spent a lot of time there?

Way more than enough. I've had many conversations on this with mexicans. I'm not interested in futbol or nightclubs, so I discuss the same things in real life as I would on 4um. Religion & politics, just like my dad.

Let me give you a few examples.

Transubstanciation. The moment during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass when the hosts & wine actually become the living body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm not bringing this up to start bickering with protestants, I know they don't share that belief. That's not the point.

My point is that these mexicans, "Catholic" by birth, had NO CLUE what that was, had never even heard of it. ASTOUNDING. I mean this was literally first grade stuff for me. They weren't sure, once I informed them of this basic REQUIREMENT of the faith, that they even believed it.

One was divorced, screwing his new girlfriend and the mom said he can go to communion whts the problem?

I can't even convey the insane satanic depravity NN. Its too much.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   11:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: StraitGate, neoconsnailed (#17)

That's true, but the people I refer to in my stories don't live in the u.s. & don't want to, unless the corporation they work for transfers them here. The people I'm referring to are doctors, lawyers, engineers & corporate bigshots. Many of them live in europe. They come from a higher economic and educational background than I. Nice folks, but culturally & religiously in the trash bin.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   11:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan (#16)

Right. He said they should only have the kids they can afford in so many words, and I think we both know what percentage of WOMEN worldwide would likely agree -- 90% wouldn't surprise me, certainly if they had the facts explained to 'em for the first time ever.

Machomania is a big factor in most of the world's problems and this is certainly no exception. Hell, in rural Mexico mere procreation without any responsibility attached to it is considered a macho merit badge.

We only have reality to deal with -- it's all we really have. Are you married? How many kids? Do tell.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   11:14:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#18) (Edited)

No grasp on transubstantiation doctrine -- the horror, the BARBARITY of it!! LOL.... But I do read you, thanks for those further details. Hey, we're having a real 4um jam session here, just like old times -- love it love it love it!!!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   11:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: NeoconsNailed (#21)

John ch 6

I am the bread of life.

Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;

this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.

I am the living bread that came down f rom heaven so that one may eat it and not die.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”

The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?”

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

.. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drin

..

....

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"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   11:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Artisan (#22) (Edited)

And I will RAAAAAAAAAAAAISE you uuuup on the laaaaaaast DAY...... :-)

Wait a minute, your PM to me about #20 is TOTALLY off. Here you're preaching an extreme purist line on Humanae Vitae but won't give your own case -- even privately? Guess I'll just have to rest mine then. JUDGMENT FOR THE PLAINTIFF..... >bang<. (It's fun being the judge too at the same time :-)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   11:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: NeoconsNailed (#23)

I don't owe you or anyone all the intimate details of my life. What I said stands. Catholics aren't allowed to kill babies or use artificial birth control, & I stand by that teaching & adhere to it.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-01-16   13:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Artisan (#24)

The pope obviusly is not a big fan of that passage regarding the inability to serve two masters....

Popes can not retire. It isnt a job or a carrer its a calling.

And now that the church has done what it has done it has gone this nwo route...

Smh

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titorite  posted on  2016-01-16   13:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Artisan (#24)

Fine, but stunning anyway.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   13:47:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Artisan (#24)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-01-16   13:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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