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Title: FBI releases video of shooting death of Oregon protester
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URL Source: https://www.rt.com/usa/330526-fbi-video-oregon-protester-shooting/
Published: Jan 28, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-01-28 22:23:07 by Artisan
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Views: 2090
Comments: 63
go to minute 6 for the bottom line. this is F'd up. , murder by an amped up cop. LaVoy Finicum was not charging anybody. Here is the 25 minute version
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#9. To: Artisan (#0)
The edited version is 8 minutes 3 seconds. The tape ran for 36:49 according to the FBI time stamp. I did not see Finicum go for a weapon. As I understand it, he was shot several times after falling down onto the snow. No word in the article saying how many times he was shot.
that's interesting if it was 36:49 and yet even the 'unedited' version here is 25 minutes, no? at any rate, whether he had a weapon on him or not, I believe by all accounts that LaVoy Finicum was a very good and decent, God-fearing man with the best of intentions. He was passionate in his beliefs. However, whether you have a donut, a pocket full of daiseys or an AK47 under your jacket, if you reach in to your jacket during a confrontation with amped up Israeli-trained cops guess what? you're dead as dirt within seconds. Only a suicidal maniac or a looney tunes would a act like that in such a situation, sorry. That's my opinion and i'm sticking to it, and guess what? Ive had MANY contentious interactions with evil pig cops, and I'm still alive. and it is going to stay that way. I get tired of these libertarian types always bashing the cops even when they clearly don't deserve it. their judgment and completely irrational bias is screwed in the head. In retrospect all the other occupiers are actually lucky that the state police didn't open fire on the vehicle as it approached speeding towards the roadblock. They all could have been killed. I'm not saying that would be justified, but it could have VERY easily occurred.
True, by all accounts that I've seen, heard, or read.
True, by all accounts that I've seen, heard, or read. I will third that. While I have criticisms of the occupation that are strategically & logistically based and have voiced the same here, when people nobly stand up for what they believe in and suffer for it, they still deserve full & complete respect. Especially from anyone who has, instead of lifting a finger for the cause, continues to be subjugated. It's possible Finicum preferred to be shot & killed instead of arrested. Didn't he voice as much? If so, then his actions of getting out of the car and reaching in his jacket -- if that's what he did -- might have been intentional with the desired result achieved.
It did appear that he was reaching into his jacket, and if he was, he had to know that that was likely to answered with quick and extreme violence. When you are armed (or believed to be so), a gov helicopter is overhead, and a dozen police cars are chasing and blocking you thus making escape impossible, the only two choices are to surrender or risk being killed. His surrender wasn't quite peaceful and compliant enough for gov, so they killed him. That said, they might killed him anyway, even if he hadn't reached into his jacket.
Exactly! Only a completely irrational maniac does this. I think it's unspeakably foolish for people to characterize these actions as somehow noble or heroic. Just bizarre.
Standing up for what you believe in, and suffering for same, absolutely is noble. I stand by that statement.
I agree that standing on principle is noble, even to death as my tagline says. But suicide by cop isn't noble, it is sinful and crazy.
If he chose to die rather than go to prison, how is it anything BUT principled?
Personally I don't believe in Suicide , it's considered an affront to God. Throwing away the life God gave you. Just as BLM tyranny is evil, an affront to the dignity of the person and theft of their property, Suicide is even more immoral than that. Since suffering or fear of it is not reason to destroy your body, the temple of God. 2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.http://www.vatican.va/archive/c cc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.h tm
It wasn't technically suicide even if the footage is accurate, but would you judge somebody for painlessly ending it all if they're in unbearable pain and there's no cure? Are we who have never been in such conditions in a position to blame them? I hate to say it but situation ethics is looking less zany the older I get. ----------------------------------------------- UNRELATED
Yes, id warn anyone who advocates or plans on "mercy killing" that it ' its 100% evil and that theyll go to hell for it. Although i can not judge the fate of those who have done it, its not my place, id certainly never condone or en ourage its practice. That would be a terfible sin on my part. Again: 2280. Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.
You must be talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian. He was a trip himself. ;)
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#10. To: Horse, all (#9)
#17. To: Artisan (#10)
I believe by all accounts that LaVoy Finicum was a very good and decent, God-fearing man with the best of intentions. He was passionate in his beliefs.
#18. To: Lod (#17)
I believe by all accounts that LaVoy Finicum was a very good and decent, God-fearing man with the best of intentions. He was passionate in his beliefs.
#21. To: Pinguinite (#18)
If so, then his actions of getting out of the car and reaching in his jacket -- if that's what he did -- might have been intentional with the desired result achieved.
#22. To: StraitGate (#21)
When you are armed (or believed to be so), a gov helicopter is overhead, and a dozen police cars are chasing and blocking you thus making escape impossible, the only two choices are to surrender or risk being killed.
#24. To: Artisan (#22)
Exactly! Only a completely irrational maniac does this. I think it's unspeakably foolish for people to characterize these actions as somehow noble or heroic.
#29. To: Pinguinite (#24)
#33. To: Artisan (#29)
I agree that standing on principle is noble, even to death as my tagline says. But suicide by cop isn't noble, it is sinful and crazy.
#37. To: Pinguinite (#33)
#38. To: Artisan (#37)
#40. To: NeoconsNailed (#38)
#59. To: Artisan (#40)
plans on "mercy killing"
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