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Title: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail
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The New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/05/t ... 90&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
Published: Feb 5, 2006
Author: SAUL HANSELL
Post Date: 2006-02-05 12:04:03 by robin
Keywords: Companies, Postage, Sending
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Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Companies will soon have to buy the electronic equivalent of a postage stamp if they want to be certain that their e-mail will be delivered to many of their customers. America Online and Yahoo, two of the world's largest providers of e-mail accounts, are about to start using a system that gives preferential treatment to messages from companies that pay from 1/4 of a cent to a penny each to have them delivered. The senders must promise to contact only people who have agreed to receive their messages, or risk being blocked entirely. The Internet companies say that this will help them identify legitimate mail and cut down on junk e-mail, identity-theft scams and other scourges that plague users of their services. Thy also stand to earn millions of dollars a year from the system if it is widely adopted. AOL and Yahoo will still accept e-mail from senders who have not paid, but the paid messages will be given special treatment. On AOL, for example, they will go straight to users' main mailboxes, and will not have to pass the gantlet of spam filters that could divert them to a junk-mail folder or strip them of images and Web links. As is the case now, mail arriving from addresses that users have added to their AOL address books will not be treated as spam. Yahoo and AOL say the new system is a way to restore some order to e-mail, which, because of spam and worries about online scams, has become an increasingly unreliable way for companies to reach their customers, even as online transactions are becoming a crucial part of their businesses. "The last time I checked, the postal service has a very similar system to provide different options," said Nicholas Graham, an AOL spokesman. He pointed to services like certified mail, "where you really do get assurance that if what you send is important to you, it will be delivered, and delivered in a way that is different from other mail." But critics of the plan say that the two companies risk alienating both their users and the companies that send e-mail. The system will apply not only to mass mailings but also to individual commercial messages like order confirmations from online stores and customized low-fare notices from airlines. "AOL users will become dissatisfied when they don't receive the e-mail that they want, and when they complain to the senders, they'll be told, 'it's AOL's fault,' " said Richi Jennings, an analyst at Ferris Research, which specializes in e-mail. As for companies that send e-mail, "some will pay, but others will object to being held to ransom," he said. "A big danger is that one of them will be big enough to encourage AOL users to use a different e-mail service." In a broader sense, the move to create what is essentially a preferred class of e-mail is a major change in the economics of the Internet. Until now, senders and recipients of e-mail — and, for that matter, Web pages and other information — each covered their own costs of using the network, with no money changing hands. That model is different from, say, the telephone system, in which the company whose customer places a call pays a fee to the company whose customer receives it. The prospect of a multitiered Internet has received a lot of attention recently after executives of several large telecommunications companies, including BellSouth and AT& T, suggested that they should be paid not only by the subscribers to their Internet services but also by companies that send large files to those subscribers, including music and video clips. Those files would then be given priority over other data, a change from the Internet's basic architecture which treats all data in the same way. This Tuesday the Senate Commerce Committee will hold a hearing to consider legislation for what has been called Net neutrality — effectively banning Internet access companies from giving preferred status to certain providers of content. The concern is that companies that do not pay could find it hard to reach customers or attract new ones, threatening the openness of the Internet. AOL and its parent, Time Warner, which also owns a large cable system offering high-speed Internet access, have not taken a public stand on the principle of Net neutrality. Neither has Yahoo, which has close relationships with AT& T and Verizon. The issue of e-mail postage has not yet come up in the debate over Net neutrality. In the next two months, AOL will start accepting e-mail processed by Goodmail Systems, a company in Mountain View, Calif., that will collect the electronic postage and verify the identity of the sender. Goodmail has tested the system with the participation of a few companies, including the American Red Cross and The New York Times. Paying senders will be assured that their messages will be delivered to AOL users' main in-boxes and marked as "AOL Certified E-Mail." Unpaid messages will be subject to AOL's spam-filtering process, which diverts suspicious messages to a special spam folder. Most of these messages will also not be displayed with their original images and links. Yahoo will start trying out Goodmail's system in coming months, but it has not decided how paid mail will be differentiated from unpaid, said Brad Garlinghouse, vice president of communications products at Yahoo. Goodmail will charge 1/4 cent to 1 cent per message, with high-volume mailers getting the biggest discounts. It will give more than half of that amount to the e-mail service provider. Goodmail does not envision that individuals will need to pay to have their e-mail delivered to Yahoo or AOL accounts. When AOL started to explain the details of its plan last month to companies that send a lot of e-mail, many quickly raised objections. "No one wants Goodmail or any other provider to set up a tollbooth that makes it cost-prohibitive for legitimate mailers to reach the in-box," said Matthew Moog, the chief executive of Q Interactive. The company runs a marketing service called CoolSavings that sends e-mail to 10 million people a month who have requested it. Mr. Moog said that he was very much in favor of systems that helped distinguish the mail he sent from spam. But Mr. Moog added that he wanted AOL and other Internet providers "to offer several competing services to ensure that innovation continues and there is a competitive market to drive fair pricing for the service." For example, he said that CoolSavings already works with Bonded Sender, a company used by Microsoft's Hotmail service and other providers to identify sources of legitimate mail. Bonded Sender charges a flat fee of no more than $20,000 a year to the highest-volume senders, a fraction of what they would pay through the Goodmail system. Mr. Moog said that the Goodmail system would at least double the cost of an e-mail campaign. "I don't think the economics work," he added. Matt Blumberg, the chief executive of Return Path, the New York company that runs Bonded Sender, said there was no need for the Goodmail price to be so high. "From AOL's perspective, this is an opportunity to earn a significant amount of money from the sale of stamps," he said. "But it's bad for the industry and bad for consumers. A lot of e-mailers won't be able to afford it." But Mr. Garlinghouse of Yahoo said that by making senders pay for each message, they will be forced to be more discriminating in whom they send e-mail to, which will benefit users. "Because the cost of sending e-mail is so low, some players are not as good at keeping their lists clean," he said. "I still gets e-mails from lists I signed up for three years ago, but I haven't responded to a single one." As spam has started to clog millions of mailboxes, particularly over the last five years, some people have suggested that requiring all e-mail senders to pay some sort of postage would drive out spammers, who can profit even if they sell their wares to a very small percentage of mail recipients. But in recent years the volume of spam has leveled off, in part because of a new federal law that imposes penalties for many deceptive e-mail practices. Moreover, most major e-mail providers have built sophisticated filters that divert much of the spam. AOL says that spam complaints from its members are down 75 percent since their peak in 2003. (These filters also capture about 20 percent of legitimate mail, according to Ferris Research.) A more troublesome problem now is phishing, messages that appear to be from a bank or an online payment service and that seek to fool recipients into divulging their passwords or credit card numbers. Phishing has led Internet providers and other companies to look for ways to help people identify legitimate mail. Goodmail was founded several years ago with the idea that it would charge postage for all mail, but it has narrowed its focus to mail sent by companies and major nonprofit organizations, which will pay a reduced rate. Messages from paying customers will bear a special symbol to indicate that they are not fraudulent. "The e-mail in-box is a potentially dangerous place," said Richard Gingras, the chief executive of Goodmail. "There is a tremendous need for a class of certified e-mail that can convey to consumers that a message is authentic." Mr. Gingras argued that companies will be glad to pay the postage fee because their customers will have more trust in their e-mail and thus will buy more from them. And Mr. Graham of AOL added that the portion of the postage it will receive is justifiable compensation for the costs it has incurred in developing systems to combat spam. "We have some prerogative to move to a system that asks for other people to participate and share the financial burden in making a clean e-mail environment on the Internet," he said.
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#1. To: robin (#0)
Whatever it takes to make the Huge.Load folks go away.
So Yahoo and AOL were promised big time profits for giving the government info it had no right to! I'm so surprised, aren't you?!!
Yep - the fascism continues on; but I really hate to see it on the internet. Bastards.
Not really. USPS certified mail is transported the same as regular first class mail. The only difference is handling when it enters and exits the USPS system. It's just as likely to be "lost in the mail" as regular first class. It's only good for when you need proof that someone has received a replaceable document. It's no good at all for tracking en route. That requires registered mail.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder. The unbrainwashed nerds out there better come up with a system of communication the government goons can't control or trace soon before we're shut down but good.
I agree 100% - some days, I'm amazed that it's not already happened. Someone said that whenever the threat to the rulers became greater than the benefits of a wide open web - they'd whack it...but with every business, and everyone and their dog dependent on their computers, I don't see how it can be just stopped all of a sudden.
Uh, you do all realize that this is an Urban Legend that has been circulating for the past ten years, right? Good...
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Maybe you should email SAUL HANSELL at the NY Times and let him know..
Zip... http://urbanlegends.ab out.com/library/blemtax2.htm lord, you people act just like sheep sometimes. 
#2. To: lodwick (#1)
#3. To: fatidic (#2)
#4. To: robin (#0)
He pointed to services like certified mail, "where you really do get assurance that if what you send is important to you, it will be delivered, and delivered in a way that is different from other mail."
-- George Bonser
#5. To: lodwick (#3)
#6. To: fatidic (#5)
The unbrainwashed nerds out there better come up with a system of communication the government goons can't control or trace soon before we're shut down but good.
#7. To: lodwick (#6)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#8. To: Feynman Lives! (#7)
#9. To: Zipporah (#8)
http://tafkac.org/ulz/xemailtax.html
http://archives.hwg.org/hwg-business/001801bf6e5c$170344c0 $4103efcc@p350
http://www.geocities.com/neons2000/
http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/columnItem/0,294698,sid1_gci949091,00.html
and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on....
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#10. To: Feynman Lives! (#9)
Hey!! I just made a suggestion.. tell the Times..
lord, you people act just like sheep sometimes.
#11. To: Zipporah (#10)
*looks around for his pillowcase...
Hey!! I just made a suggestion.. tell the Times..
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#12. To: Feynman Lives! (#11)
No pudding? :(
#13. To: Zipporah (#12)
Oooooh, there will be pudding... chocolate pudding... and PLENTY of it, little miss!
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#14. To: Feynman Lives! (#13)
Ruh roh.. :P
Oooooh, there will be pudding... chocolate pudding... and PLENTY of it, little miss!
#15. To: Zipporah (#14)
Rooooby doooooooooooooo!
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#16. To: Feynman Lives!, Zipporah (#9)
False. The article posted is about plans by ISPs (not USPS) to assess a fee for delivery of promotional email from companies, it would not apply to users sending email to other users. It is not a tax imposed by the government on all email. However, true to form, you continue to post irrelevant and false claims: Actually that would be you, bleating on and on and on without substantiating your claims with relevant facts. For all your "reading and digesting enormous volumes of written material every day for a living", you have little reading comprehension and no basis for your claims.
Uh, you do all realize that this is an Urban Legend that has been circulating for the past ten years, right?
http://urbanlegends.ab http://out.com/library/blemtax2.htm
This is about the internet hoax for "Bill 602P" a US post office levied tax.
http://tafkac.org/ulz/xemailtax. html This is about the internet hoax for "Bill 602P" a US post office levied tax.
http:// archives.hwg.org/hwg-business/001801bf6e5c$170344c0 $4103efcc@p350 This is about the internet hoax for "Bill 602P" a US post office levied tax.
http://www.geocities.com/ neons2000/ This page has only alludes to "Bill 602P" and a "Canadian email charge" as being "chain mail urban legends", but neither is discussed, described, or even linked.
http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/columnItem/0,294698,sid1_gci949091, 00.html This is a Feb 2006 article discussing Bill Gates idea to charge for eamil to reduce spam - obviously not a hoax, regardless of ones feelings about Bill Gates.
and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on.... lord, you people act just like sheep sometimes.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#17. To: Starwind (#16)
Star, wow, you really are not perceptive... If you do a simple search, as I did, you will see HUNDREDS of links pointing to this being an urban legend. I simply pulled the first half a dozen or so. I showed a pattern that indicated that messages of the type that were posted here originally are false. That you are too stupid to make the connection on your own... well... there's nothing anyone can do about that.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#18. To: Feynman Lives! (#17)
Sorta like geocities?.. I still say you need to write to the Times.. let them know they're reporting urban legends.
If you do a simple search, as I did, you will see HUNDREDS of links pointing to this being an urban legend. I simply pulled the first half a dozen or so.
#19. To: Feynman Lives! (#17)
Prove it. Show all the links pointing to the article posted as an internet hoax. No you didn't. You fabricated your own strawman argument that what AOL and Yahoo are contemplating is in fact an internex-email-tax hoax, and then you posted links to articles debunking an old hoax - you knocked down your own strawman. Show us all how stupid I am. Show us the links that identify what AOL and Yahoo are proposing is in fact a hoax. Show us all how well you have digested enormous amounts of written material.
If you do a simple search, as I did, you will see HUNDREDS of links pointing to this being an urban legend. I simply pulled the first half a dozen or so.
I showed a pattern that indicated that messages of the type that were posted here originally are false.
That you are too stupid to make the connection on your own... well... there's nothing anyone can do about that.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#20. To: Zipporah (#18)
ROFL>>> yeah, cuz the NYT has NEVER posted a false story before...
I still say you need to write to the Times.. let them know they're reporting urban legends.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#21. To: Feynman Lives! (#20)
Well I guess this is a first.. write them and let them know.. I'm sure they'd be more than glad to hear form you.
#22. To: Starwind (#19)
Star, it is clear that you are unable to make even the most simple connections. This myth has been floating around for over a DECADE in various forms. This is simply the next iteration of that myth. That you are too stupid to make the connections yourself speaks volumes about your lemming lifestyle.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#23. To: Zipporah (#21)
ROFLMAO! First? LOL This is nowhere CLOSE to the first time the NYT made a stupid mistake.
Well I guess this is a first..
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#24. To: Feynman Lives! (#23)
First? LOL This is nowhere CLOSE to the first time the NYT made a stupid mistake. Well I think you need to set them straight.. go ahead and write them.. then report back when you get a reply.
ROFLMAO!
#25. To: Zipporah (#24)
I will send them a pillowcase and several boxes of chocolate pudding mix. It will be up to them to draw the logical conclusions...
Well I think you need to set them straight.. go ahead and write them.. then report back when you get a reply
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#26. To: Feynman Lives! (#22)
Star, it is clear that you are unable to make even the most simple connections. This myth has been floating around for over a DECADE in various forms. This is simply the next iteration of that myth. Liar. AOL, Yahoo to Charge for Email Yahoo, AOL to begin charging some for email AOL, Yahoo to test fee-based email next few months This is not the myth your defense needs it to be. This is a new fee being considered by Yahoo and AOL. It is being reported in many IT related venues. The NY Times is late with their story. Your lie is to insist that an old internet email hoax "Bill 602P" is the same as the fees AOL and Yahool are now planning.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#27. To: Starwind (#26)
Star, You watch... this will all be shown to be yet another hoax. It happens every few years.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#28. To: Feynman Lives! (#27)
LOL - Well now you're shifting your lie from it is 'an 10-years old hoax' to it will 'yet another hoax'. Exactly what Richard did when he backed himself into a corner. So what is it right now? Where are those links proving what AOL and Yahoo are publicizing is a hoax? Show us all that simple search you did. You know, the one that shows HUNDREDS of links pointing to this being an urban legend.
You watch... this will all be shown to be yet another hoax. It happens every few years.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#29. To: Starwind (#28)
Starwind, I am doing nothing of the sort. This is a hoax along the same line as many of its predecessors. It will be proved a hoax in due time, as were its predecessors. Not backing out of anything, standing firmly in that this is a hoax. The only change to this one is that that they are tying a known urban legend in with an actual experiment that is being considered. They are planning on offering the spammers, and other businesses, that are presumably non-AOL/Yahoo accounts the ability to bypass their junk mail filters by PAYING A USAGE FEE to do so. They won’t be asking you or I for a credit card, they’ll just be dumping more spam in your inbox under the guise of certified mail, while making a little bit of money at our expense. However, in THAT truthful scenario, the spam senders will be the only ones paying. NOT John Q Emailer. It is a wonderful example of how someone took an actual proposed business practice and married it to an urban legend. A little truth to give it legs. A nice touch and a well crafted story. Sorry, but there is no plan to charge the general public for using email. That is just is a hoax.
LOL - Well now you're shifting your lie from it is 'an 10-years old hoax' to it will 'yet another hoax'
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#30. To: Feynman Lives! (#25)
It will be up to them to draw the logical conclusions... AH ..the sweeter gentler side of Feynman..
I will send them a pillowcase and several boxes of chocolate pudding mix.
#31. To: Feynman Lives! (#29)
Liar. Here in your post #7 you wrote it was an "Urban Legend": And here in your post #17 you repeated that it was a "Urban Legend": And here in your post #22 you repeat it is a myth floating around for a decade, and you begin to shift the lie to it being the next iteration of that myth: To finally here in your post #27 you complete the shift to it being yet another hoax: You lied about AOL/Yahoo plans for 'spam' fees being a 10 year old legend. You got caught. You tried to cover with a new lie about it being the next myth. You lied and got caught again. You're still lying. They are not experimenting with a changed hoax. LOL! So now you finally admit it isn't a hoax! It is truthful that companies wishing to send "spam" to AOL/Yahoo accounts will pay a fee. That isn't the "Bill 602P" tax hoax, now is it. It is a real fee service being planned by AOL/Yahoo, isn't it. You finally read the article and your links and realized you were caught in a series of lies. So where is that simple search you did, the one that shows HUNDREDS of links pointing to this being an urban legend? Show us you didn't lie about that too. Show us the search that yields HUNDREDS of links pointing to this being an urban legend?
Well now you're shifting your lie from it is 'an 10-years old hoax' to it will 'yet another hoax'
I am doing nothing of the sort. This is a hoax along the same line as many of its predecessors.
Uh, you do all realize that this is an Urban Legend that has been circulating for the past ten years, right?
If you do a simple search, as I did, you will see HUNDREDS of links pointing to this being an urban legend. I simply pulled the first half a dozen or so.
This myth has been floating around for over a DECADE in various forms. This is simply the next iteration of that myth.
You watch... this will all be shown to be yet another hoax.
The only change to this one is that that they are tying a known urban legend in with an actual experiment that is being considered.
However, in THAT truthful scenario, the spam senders will be the only ones paying.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#32. To: Starwind (#31)
Whatever you guys are arguing about, Bush didn't do it. By the way, did I tell you I had a Hummer?
Sixty thousand little turds dispensed to date ....
#33. To: Starwind (#31)
Star, You watch, it will be shown to be yet another hoax. I tire of listening to your ramblings as you will only see what you want to see. You want to believe it is real, you go right ahead, knock yourself out, sweetie... you join the ranks of those who believe Elvis is still alive.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#34. To: Feynman Lives! (#33)
I simply adore your way with words. I think it's fabulous.
knock yourself out, sweetie...
#35. To: Feynman Lives! (#33)
Where are those links from that search you did, Liar. Well I can only see what you do post. And those are shown to be lies. I can't very well see what you're too afraid to post. What happened to that argument style like the 200 lawyers you know? Where's that huge volume of information you digested to back up your 'lawyerly' (or is that liarly) arguments? C'mon, where's that search of HUNDREDS of links pointing to this being an urban legend. Or did you lie about that too, just like Richard.
You watch, it will be shown to be yet another hoax.
I tire of listening to your ramblings as you will only see what you want to see
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#36. To: Badeye After Five (#32)
So what's happening with your wife? Is she finally letting you into the office to post after hours?
#37. To: Badeye After Five (#32)
lol - good to see an honest bot 'round these parts :)
Sixty thousand little turds dispensed to date ....
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#38. To: Trace21231 (#36)
Naw, I'm at
a cyber cafe. She's being pissy these days. Really snowed at work. Even
talking about having me answer the phone for a couple of hours a day.
Pulled a Cheney, told her I had other things to do. Not going over to
well. (grin)
So what's happening with your wife? Is she finally letting you
into the office to post after hours?
Sixty thousand little turds dispensed to date ....
#39. To: Starwind (#37)
I just come over here when I'm off. Don't have the energy to keep the front up after closing time. Besides, the ninnies I have to fool don't notice the little inconsistencies. Praise the lord for that. (grin)
lol - good to see an honest bot 'round these parts :)
Sixty thousand little turds dispensed to date ....
#40. To: Badeye After Five (#39)
Too many 'hummers'? ya think?
Don't have the energy to keep the front up after closing time.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#41. To: Badeye After Five (#38)
Will you be able to keep up the posting volume if your wife puts you to work?
Even talking about having me answer the phone for a couple of hours a day.
#42. To: Feynman Lives! (#33)
And that's reason enough to act superior to someone for posting this? You think you can read minds, but I'll let you in on a little secret: you're just an arrogant little shit. Don't bother explaining how you aren't actually a physical turd by any and all legal definitions, that's your world, not mine.
You watch, it will be shown to be yet another hoax. I tire of listening to your ramblings as you will only see what you want to see.
After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs
#43. To: Starwind (#40)
Whatever.
Too many 'hummers'? ya think?
Sixty thousand little turds dispensed to date ....
#44. To: Badeye After Five (#39)
Regarding your tagline, is that going to be like the McDonald's signs in the old days, when they'd update the numbers on a regular basis? If so, you're going to be rolling over seventy thousand any day now, if you're posting at the standard Badeye rate of 200+ postings a day...
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#45. To: Trace21231 (#41)
Just between you and me and the wall. Nobody's putting me to work. (grin)
Will you be able to keep up the posting volume if your wife puts you to work?
Sixty thousand little turds dispensed to date ....
#46. To: Elliott Jackalope (#44)
I'm going to keep it updated over here. The LP crew doesn't notice subtile things like small print. I think its hilarious. (grin)
Sixty thousand little turds dispensed to date ....
#47. To: Dakmar (#42)
lol - well he's got no other reason, it'll have to be mind-reading. Ok, joke: Q: How can you tell when Feynman Lives! is lying?
And that's reason enough to act superior to someone for posting this? You think you can read minds,
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#48. To: Starwind (#47)
He's picking and and choosing which questions to answer, and then lying about even that?
Q: How can you tell when Feynman Lives! is lying?
After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs
#49. To: Dakmar (#48)
A: When he posts. (drum riff)
Q: How can you tell when Feynman Lives! is lying?
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#50. To: Starwind (#49)
Sorry, I don't do borscht belt very well.
After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs
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