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Title: Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa
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URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ru ... -himself/2016/02/02/id/712280/
Published: Feb 2, 2016
Author: Christopher Ruddy
Post Date: 2016-02-02 06:24:40 by BTP Holdings
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Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa

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By Christopher Ruddy | Tuesday, 02 Feb 2016 12:04 AM

Ted Cruz didn’t defeat Donald Trump Monday night in Iowa.

Trump defeated himself.

I have no doubt that polls showing Trump leading in Iowa – and across the nation – have been largely accurate.

Trump is fresh, bold, brash and brave. His message is resonating with millions of Americans.

In some ways, he could be starting a Great Awakening in American politics, paving the way for “outsiders” to finally have their voice heard in Washington.

If Trump were elected president, it would be historic — the first “Citizen President.” Every president to date has been a politician or general.

But Iowa underscores that Trump’s great strengths can turn into fatal weaknesses, and this phenomena will make his gaining the nomination difficult.

Here’s why.

Trump lost Iowa largely for one reason: he crushed Ben Carson.

Remember the likable doctor who was leading in Iowa polls?

Trump hit Dr. Ben hard, questioning his integrity and even his medical acumen.

Trump, as we know, is a super-effective communicator. Perhaps the best communicator ever fielded in a GOP race.

Trump used his verbal powers and eviscerated Carson. Carson’s poll numbers collapsed, his campaign staff quit and his fundraising machine ground to a halt.

But it was a Pyrrhic victory for Trump because the Carson voters didn’t back him – they switched to Cruz!

Poll numbers shows Cruz’s dramatic rise right after the Carson collapse.

Trump effectively defeated Carson to elect Cruz. Had Carson remained higher in the polls, he would have become Cruz’s target, and the pair would have divided the evangelical vote, paving the way for an easy Trump win.

The lesson of Iowa is this: Reagan’s 11th Commandment makes great political sense.

Reagan’s directive famously said, “Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican.”

The idea is that GOP rivals can and should vigorously disagree on policy matters – but personal attacks should be avoided at all costs.

Reagan himself fought a bitter primary against Gerald Ford in 1976. But Reagan’s campaign was a battle for his ideas – never a personal attack on Ford.

After Iowa, I have little doubt that Donald Trump will continue to lead the GOP field heading into New Hampshire’s primary.

But Trump has to remember that as every candidate drops out – especially grassroots conservatives like Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, and Rick Santorum – their supporters have to go somewhere. Trump’s sharp attacks on his fellow GOP rivals will make capturing these voters difficult. For the moment, Ted Cruz seems more inviting to them.

Back in November, after Trump had dominated the polls for so long, he should have made a strategic pivot to reach out to critics and take the high road.

He waited until tonight to do so. His concession speech was terrific, with a perfect tone.

“I love the people of Iowa,” Trump said as he graciously congratulated Ted Cruz.

If Trump takes this new tack in the wake of Iowa, he just may win this yet.

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Funny, Trump, this supposedly massively intelligent and shrewd businessman and business strategist couldn't figure that out?

It's money that makes people successful, not usually brains. In fact, many successful people could be far more successful if they actually had more brains coupled with their massive amounts of wealth.

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-02   9:46:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

well, remember that this is just an opinion that may or may not be accurate. then there is this:

christine  posted on  2016-02-02   9:59:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

For starters, I discount Drudge, it's a psyop site just as is infowars.

No one should trust anything from either site.

Secondly, OK, I'll agree, it's rigged. Isn't that what we've been saying all along?

Whether or not that applied to Iowa who knows. But the end result is rigged and I doubt it will be Trump. He may very well serve as the plausibility in why/how Hillary gets (s)elected however, wouldn't you say, as he "divides and partitions" the GOP? ... at least "on paper."

My money goes on Hillary as the POTUS select. She's the one who's career can be most easily and quickly dismantled should she not toe the ZOG/ZOE's line.

Remember, AIPAC members have bragged that they, no one else, make or break political careers.

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-02   10:14:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Iowa is a caucus state. Hard core fanatics show up. For some reason the pro-war Zionists like Cruz who is a natural born citizen of Canada and is married to Goldman Sachs. Cruz will take a thumping in NH. Rubio will be an also ran as his voters will leave him for Cruz.

Horse  posted on  2016-02-02   11:26:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Trump has issues with Goldman Sachs? e.g.

Again, I have absolutely no idea why anyone thinks that Trump is independent from the worst of our enemies, don't people here do any rudimentary homework anymore?

This place is half trump4um.com now. I don't get it.

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-02   11:46:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This place is half trump4um.com now. I don't get it.

Would it change things if everyone here favored a different candidate?

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-02   13:29:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Would it change things if everyone here favored a different candidate?

What kind of a question is that? It's entire premise is flawed.

All we talk about here is how it doesn't matter since anyone that would even be truly considered by the establishment must be owned. Yet, in this case it's different.

LMAO

Seriously? There is no hope in any of the candidates and if there were you can rest assured that for either health reasons or assassination reasons that person wouldn't make it thru 12 months in office in one piece. Or perhaps a "scandal" resulting in impeachment/resignation.

NO! It doesn't make a damn bit of difference one way or another.

Either way, the only way that Trump is anti-establishment is in financing and operating his campaign, but the anti-establishmentarianism comes to a grinding halt immediately after that.

This Trump love here is laughable. ... and disturbing.

Otherwise, please tell me how the following are going to do anything to reverse the current trend:

An even larger military which Trump has promised.

An embassy in Jerusalem. Again, what could possibly go wrong with that. LMAO

Instantly bringing down the hammer of "national security" at Trump's mere mention of a problematic demographic per his personal philosophies. Keep in mind, he's fully establishment in terms of NatSec. Just as with The Patriot Act I see problems there. Granted, few others appear to see their own demise there just as with the PA.

Pure IF-ism.

Someone that validates in spades the charade that is our economy predicated upon the Federal Reserve system and supports it.

Trump said in 2013 the following:

"if you think you're going to change very substantially for the worse Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security in any substantial way, and at the same time you think you're going to win elections, it just really is not going to happen."

That sound promising to you?

Meanwhile, Trump gets played, or is in on, you can pick your poison, by the Federal Reserve system like a Stradivarius.

In the meantime, read this, it should be enlightening.

Trump is a tool of the MIC, OK, on the "business" side, the "large corporate business side," fully validating of the charade that is our Federal Reserve bogus system, pro-police-state, and seems to truly believe that our ubiquitous "news delivery system(s)" in this country are on the level.

Honestly, I see little practical difference.

There is no hope in politics in or current political system until the backdrop for politics changes, but even then it could even more easily go from the frying pan into the fire as well.

The author is very kind to Trump in this report as well that reveals Trump to be establishmentarian.

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-02   14:25:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What kind of a question is that? It's entire premise is flawed.

ROFL..... my question was a very funny one. That's what kind it was.

I think you catch my point more than you realize. Trump is a wildcard of sorts. If he gets the presidency, then anything could happen. Or maybe nothing. With anyone else, it's more likely nothing will happen -- meaning nothing will change. I'm enjoying the fact that the GOP is floundering in Trump's shadow. Or seems to be, at least. When was the last time we've seen that?

Other than that, what's wrong with getting the popcorn, pulling up a chair and watching the Trump show? Since it really doesn't matter who we here on 4um would prefer when the presidency, what's wrong with some real live entertainment?

Sure Trump would likely do a lot of things we here on 4um don't like. But if he also does some things the establishment doesn't like, like declassifying all the documents that embarrass the hell out of most every western government including past USA admins, then that's a good thing.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-03   1:31:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ROFL..... my question was a very funny one. That's what kind it was.

I think you catch my point more than you realize. Trump is a wildcard of sorts. If he gets the presidency, then anything could happen. Or maybe nothing. With anyone else, it's more likely nothing will happen -- meaning nothing will change. I'm enjoying the fact that the GOP is floundering in Trump's shadow. Or seems to be, at least. When was the last time we've seen that?

Here's my take:

Who cares about the GOP, part of the problem as an organization that's part of the huge ruse.

You're wrong about nothing changing, what will change is the people along the lines of demographics will become a whole lot more emotionally charged and adversarial and combative, and yes, ultimately physically so. Who knows, perhaps the result will be all-out civil war, I wouldn't be a plug nickel against it if he wins. We rant about that being the goal here, well, now those ranting about it want to desperately usher it in. Madness, gullibility, and idiocy at its finest!

Trump will also usher in the complete and utter eradication of any semblance of dignity associated with the office. He already is doing that. How can this possibly result in anything but what's not good.

Trump is like a child in the midst of a tantrum. The thrice divorced, 5 times bankrupted, 4 times military draft deferments is going to lecture us all on morality. Sure. Just don't count me in as one of the mindless fools buying even a shred of that.

Otherwise, you are absolutely correct, absolutely nothing will change as he'll put in place very similar people to what any other candidate would. He has no record of going outside any establishment in his personal dealings whatsoever.

He praises establishment people, methods, institutions, etc., and is promising to bolster the worst of them. Again, fools climb aboard.

This has absolutely nothing to do with any change, it has to do with how I and others view this forum. On one hand we talk a good game, on the other we're too dumb to be able to figure our for ourselves when we're being played but continue to criticize others for not being able to recognize those same things.

Other than that, what's wrong with getting the popcorn, pulling up a chair and watching the Trump show? Since it really doesn't matter who we here on 4um would prefer when the presidency, what's wrong with some real live entertainment?

Sure Trump would likely do a lot of things we here on 4um don't like. But if he also does some things the establishment doesn't like, like declassifying all the documents that embarrass the hell out of most every western government including past USA admins, then that's a good thing.

Nothing's wrong with "grabbing the popcorn," but that's not what's going on here. What's going on here is all but active support for Trump, a huge difference. The mindset here is something other than entertainment and is discouraging given how many people here seem to believe that Trump would actually make a difference besides what I just mentioned.

But don't be gullible enough to think that one man makes that kind of difference. Only what suits the establishment will be de-classified, that's a fact. And what is, as with the recently "de-classified" JFK documents, will be so redacted as to be almost worthless anyway. That's what "de-classification" means these days. Don't think for two seconds that Trump would come out and piss in his own stated philosophy on national security anyway, he wouldn't. If anything he's the most police-state oriented one on the current roster. He's said so, but hey, just as with the actual statements of the PTB, who cares when we can watch the TOOOB and have pep-rally brainlessness to wave the banner of, right.

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-04   13:20:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, it does seem quite evident that the GOP establishment does NOT like Trump at all.

I certainly don't look forward to the violence of any civil war. Having said that, there is a reasonable argument that there is no way things will improve without one, so ushering it in sooner rather than later doesn't hurt things. (Then again, civil wars rarely, if ever, bring any civil rights improvement to a country anyway).

Along the lines of the above, electing horrible people to office can bring about the "needed" collapse sooner, so what's wrong with that? The boiling frog argument applies too. Put someone in office who's only somewhat horrible, then you get compliance and "give democracy a chance". Put someone like Hillary in, and people are more likely to take the "WTF!" response.

All in all, though, if we take the position that it won't matter one bit who gets in office, then deriding any one candidate is no more productive than favoring any other candidate, is it?

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-04   14:58:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, it does seem quite evident that the GOP establishment does NOT like Trump at all.

So what?

That's what I don't get, so what?

There have been lots of people/candidates over the years that have been "disliked" by their parties that would have been no different in office than anyone that they liked.

Having said that, there is a reasonable argument that there is no way things will improve without one, so ushering it in sooner rather than later doesn't hurt things. (Then again, civil wars rarely, if ever, bring any civil rights improvement to a country anyway).

Well, I for one wouldn't mind peace for as long as possible. This charade of an economy is just that, a charade. There's no correcting it without dismantling the global cabal financial apparatus that created it and the odds of that happening are probably about the same as a 4um member winning the Power Ball.

I'm for correction as much as the next guy, but when "correction" entails death and destruction, then count me out. And frankly that's what we have to look forward to now. So in essence you're saying bring death and destruction on then, ... for the record?

Sorry, can't go along.

Along the lines of the above, electing horrible people to office can bring about the "needed" collapse sooner, so what's wrong with that? The boiling frog argument applies too. Put someone in office who's only somewhat horrible, then you get compliance and "give democracy a chance". Put someone like Hillary in, and people are more likely to take the "WTF!" response.

All in all, though, if we take the position that it won't matter one bit who gets in office, then deriding any one candidate is no more productive than favoring any other candidate, is it?

You're now sidestepping the point.

I addressed the first question above.

Otherwise, the second question is irrelevant here. You are correct that none of what we think matters on iota in the grand scheme of things. But all along I have been pointing out that the issue I have is with the double-standards and hypocrisy of people here.

On one hand they speak against certain things, and here now, they support the very things in a different form, that they've derided.

We're here to discuss and interact. I feel like coming here is no different these days as it is talking to my MSM network news spoonfed friends and acquaintenances around here. They're all now blinded to reality.

That's the issue, not whether we make up any critical mass, which no one here has argued.

Trump has police state written all over him. When TSHTF it's going to be FUGLY and IMO this forum and others like it will be shut down. I can wait another four years to have it unfold.

Either way, so far I've listed specifically, Trump's positions on numerous key issues, and will do so now again, and yet not one person has actually countered those positions as articulated by him, rather all I hear/see/read is how he's different. ... Insanity!

Trump is 110% IF-er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump has stated he wants to bolster the military and further apply it!!!

Trump is in favor of kill-a-cop-get-the-death-penalty w/o any qualification of that statement whatsoever.

Trump is obviously pro-financial markets and pro-existing financial system!! Anyone denying that has no clue.

Those are the single biggest issues of our day and the ones that are turning our nation into a living hell and he's on the wrong side of them. Everyone here speaks against them incessantly, yet, in this case they're for them. Again, insanity or idiocy. They can pick their poison. Otherwise, IMO they need to shut-up because they're talking out of both sides, which, at least to me, is not what 4um is all about, or at least hasn't been about. Apparently it is these days.

In a way I hope we get the bastard so that hopefully people finally get the kick in the teeth that we need along with the millions of deaths and maybe, just maybe, in 20 years, after which I won't be alive, or perhaps won't care to be, we'll have some hope. I doubt it, just sayin'. I'm at the point where I've seen just about all I need to from this shitty world. My fear is for my kids and again, sorry, I have a difficult time foisting a horrific civil if not world war on them.

But think about what you said, in short you don't seem to mind sending this world into the hell that awaits sooner rather than later. I cannot relate.

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-04   18:31:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

First, I already stated that I do not welcome violence. And it's particularly unwelcome when levied against innocent people. So I'll restate that for the record. I want to be clear on that.

Your points against Trump are very valid. But if you don't believe the election system works, if you believe any and every candidate who could get elected is obviously a poison to original American values & civil liberties, etc then what's your solution? Do you have one?

I don't think you do. And I don't either. No one here does. And now you come close to criticizing me not because I welcome civil war, but because I predict it as an only possible path to breaking the establishment. And you criticize so many others here on 4um because they may lend more favor to Trump as though it might make a difference in who gets elected?

Personally, I see disfavoring a candidate, as you do Trump, to be as useless as favoring any other candidate. So what's the big deal? What good does it do to criticize others here?

My take: The USA is simply far too large. In a country with some 340 million people, one person's vote is trash. That's the way it is. The system is broken as it does not represent the will of the people or the states. Everyone would be better off if the country was broken up into about 6-8 different smaller countries. That way there would be less concentration of power and stronger local voices in how things should be.

In a time when entertainment might be the only antidote to the state of affairs, I suggest you take things too seriously. Then again, you have kids. I don't. So that's a difference that would show our differences, too.

My best, Katniss.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-05   12:08:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your points against Trump are very valid. But if you don't believe the election system works, if you believe any and every candidate who could get elected is obviously a poison to original American values & civil liberties, etc then what's your solution? Do you have one?

Again, you're missing my point(s) entirely, which I've explained now several times. Go read again.

The issue has absolutely nothing to do with "solutions, candidates, (s)elections," etc. There are no solutions in politics, none whatsoever, particularly in our rigged system(s). For anyone that's missed it over the years, all that new selectees do is tack on more laws to the already exponentially absurd stack of laws that already exist and they rarely if ever, and never in the most critical ways, actually undo anything that their predecessor did.

Rather, it has everything to do with people that apparently are being very easily duped right here, regular posters to this forum, that chastise and slam others, generically and at large, for doing the same exact things that they are now doing re: Trump, namely being duped by what IMO is the patently blatant.

I can't make it any more clear than that.

To me if that's what the discussion has deteriorated to here, as I've said, a pro-Trump 4um, then it's become useless for the exchange of info and ideas and no longer stands out in a world that desperately needs oases of reason.

Read what I just wrote several times and my point should become quite clear. At this point this place may as well be a Trump 4um. That's not a good thing as it demonstrates the complete opposite of what this place originally stood for.

If people cannot see that it's entirely because they're at least momentarily absorbed in the moment, just like the rest of the sheep out there.

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-05   13:21:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

At this point this place may as well be a Trump 4um. That's not a good thing as it demonstrates the complete opposite of what this place originally stood for.

It'll be gone on a few months anyway when the elections over so who cares? She only opened it back up temporarily, to be nice . If its that aggrivating to read the constant trump love then ditch the place. I actually think most posters here view trump as mere entertainment.

Artisan  posted on  2016-02-05   15:32:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We are OVER, DONE FOR, DOWN THE DRAIN if Hillary or Sanders is selected. There will be nothing to talk about. In that scenario, I, for one, am checking out. At least with Trump, as Lod wrote, there's a chance for change for the better no matter how small and there will be a lot to talk about.

Listen to Roger Stone on Alex Jones' show yesterday. I think he makes compelling points. 24 minutes in.

christine  posted on  2016-02-05   19:58:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We're already down the drain. No political person can help.

But if Trump gets elected, tell me how things change, potentially and with reason, to alter what's now going on that is destroying us?

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-05   20:19:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Listen to Roger Stone. He'll explain it to you much better than I could possibly type.

christine  posted on  2016-02-05   20:21:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

BTW, that's also precisely what I mean when I mention independent thinking.

Seems like all of the support here is media soundbite driven with little if any actual analysis.

Thus far not one person has been able to contradict and invalidate anything that I've pointed out about Trump, again, his own words, yet on the top-three topics that are sinking us faster than we ever could have imagined. Not one. Frankly, it's not possible since they're Trump's own words.

Everyone here slams any IF-er. Except Trump. He's different for some inexplicable reason.

Everyone here slams the police state. Except when Trump espouses it.

Everyone here accurately recognizes the Fed and all of its spinoff institutions as the core of the issues in our country. But not when Trump validates them all.

Seems to me those are the three single biggest issues of our day and yet Trump is on the wrong side of all three; National security, the Fed and the phony charade of an economy we have, and this nation's love for all things Zio & Israel, and Trump's a champion for all three.

Does this seem sane to you? Seriously, does it seem sane?

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-05   20:30:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Out of all the candidates running, he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS.

That's one thing in his favor that I found pretty important.

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-02-05   20:32:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Out of all the candidates running, he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS.

That's one thing in his favor that I found pretty important.

Pardon me?

Apparently you missed his statement about building the military even larger and more powerful so that no one wants to mess with us.

Serious question, and no sense in continuing unless you answer it. Do you see that statement as making sense? Do you think that a larger military is the solution to our problems?

Trump has said that he wants to "bomb the shit out of ISIS?" Is that dignified and sane rhetoric to you? Do you believe that will fix things? Do you truly believe that ISIS is exactly what the media portrays it as?

He says that Israel is our friend and he'll do whatever is necessary to protect them. Do you believe that? Do you think that's the "right path?"

Do you agree with his "kill a cop and get the death penalty" statement? Yes or no?

Let's discuss the specifics of issues against the backdrop of his statements instead of this montage of nonsense for anyone not drinking the Trump koolaid.

So far all the Trump supporters here are avoiding the issues like the plague. I can see why, just sayin'. I mean if all we want is to feel good and go into ignorance is bliss mode, go buy weed.

Katniss  posted on  2016-02-05   20:41:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

...go buy weed.

Where can I get some? And what's the going rate?

I don't do that stuff, but I'm willing to learn.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-02-05   20:46:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Where can I get some? And what's the going rate?

I don't do that stuff, but I'm willing to learn.

Pretty much anywhere, just ask around. Particularly people employed in the restaurant industry. LOL

Have no idea on rates.

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