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Title: Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa
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URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ru ... -himself/2016/02/02/id/712280/
Published: Feb 2, 2016
Author: Christopher Ruddy
Post Date: 2016-02-02 06:24:40 by BTP Holdings
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Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa Image: Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa By Christopher Ruddy | Tuesday, 02 Feb 2016 12:04 AM Ted Cruz didn’t defeat Donald Trump Monday night in Iowa. Trump defeated himself. I have no doubt that polls showing Trump leading in Iowa – and across the nation – have been largely accurate. Trump is fresh, bold, brash and brave. His message is resonating with millions of Americans. In some ways, he could be starting a Great Awakening in American politics, paving the way for “outsiders” to finally have their voice heard in Washington. If Trump were elected president, it would be historic — the first “Citizen President.” Every president to date has been a politician or general. But Iowa underscores that Trump’s great strengths can turn into fatal weaknesses, and this phenomena will make his gaining the nomination difficult. Here’s why. Trump lost Iowa largely for one reason: he crushed Ben Carson. Remember the likable doctor who was leading in Iowa polls? Trump hit Dr. Ben hard, questioning his integrity and even his medical acumen. Trump, as we know, is a super-effective communicator. Perhaps the best communicator ever fielded in a GOP race. Trump used his verbal powers and eviscerated Carson. Carson’s poll numbers collapsed, his campaign staff quit and his fundraising machine ground to a halt. But it was a Pyrrhic victory for Trump because the Carson voters didn’t back him – they switched to Cruz! Poll numbers shows Cruz’s dramatic rise right after the Carson collapse. Trump effectively defeated Carson to elect Cruz. Had Carson remained higher in the polls, he would have become Cruz’s target, and the pair would have divided the evangelical vote, paving the way for an easy Trump win. The lesson of Iowa is this: Reagan’s 11th Commandment makes great political sense. Reagan’s directive famously said, “Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican.” The idea is that GOP rivals can and should vigorously disagree on policy matters – but personal attacks should be avoided at all costs. Reagan himself fought a bitter primary against Gerald Ford in 1976. But Reagan’s campaign was a battle for his ideas – never a personal attack on Ford. After Iowa, I have little doubt that Donald Trump will continue to lead the GOP field heading into New Hampshire’s primary. But Trump has to remember that as every candidate drops out – especially grassroots conservatives like Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, and Rick Santorum – their supporters have to go somewhere. Trump’s sharp attacks on his fellow GOP rivals will make capturing these voters difficult. For the moment, Ted Cruz seems more inviting to them. Back in November, after Trump had dominated the polls for so long, he should have made a strategic pivot to reach out to critics and take the high road. He waited until tonight to do so. His concession speech was terrific, with a perfect tone. “I love the people of Iowa,” Trump said as he graciously congratulated Ted Cruz. If Trump takes this new tack in the wake of Iowa, he just may win this yet. Read Latest Breaking News from http://Newsmax.com www.newsmax.com/Newsfront.../id/712280/#ixzz3z0b6AHEu Poster Comment: Happy Ground Hog Day.
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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
Funny, Trump, this supposedly massively intelligent and shrewd businessman and business strategist couldn't figure that out? It's money that makes people successful, not usually brains. In fact, many successful people could be far more successful if they actually had more brains coupled with their massive amounts of wealth.
well, remember that this is just an opinion that may or may not be accurate. then there is this:
For starters, I discount Drudge, it's a psyop site just as is infowars. No one should trust anything from either site. Secondly, OK, I'll agree, it's rigged. Isn't that what we've been saying all along? Whether or not that applied to Iowa who knows. But the end result is rigged and I doubt it will be Trump. He may very well serve as the plausibility in why/how Hillary gets (s)elected however, wouldn't you say, as he "divides and partitions" the GOP? ... at least "on paper." My money goes on Hillary as the POTUS select. She's the one who's career can be most easily and quickly dismantled should she not toe the ZOG/ZOE's line. Remember, AIPAC members have bragged that they, no one else, make or break political careers.
Trump is wise enough to realize that on the "democrat establishment" side his opponents are two jew communists of the olde school. From here on, Trump can ignore the establishment republicans, campaign to the masses against the jew/communists. The masses have a voice in Trump. All the rest are part and parcel of the establishment.
Iowa is a caucus state. Hard core fanatics show up. For some reason the pro-war Zionists like Cruz who is a natural born citizen of Canada and is married to Goldman Sachs. Cruz will take a thumping in NH. Rubio will be an also ran as his voters will leave him for Cruz.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
"Grassroots conservatives", my eye. I can sort of see how Rand and Carson can be perceived as "grassroots". But Succubee, Cruella, and Sanitorium are insiders who are only outsiders by their unpopularity. John Howard says: There are 4 schools of economics: How to End the Refugee Flood Trump has issues with Goldman Sachs? e.g. Again, I have absolutely no idea why anyone thinks that Trump is independent from the worst of our enemies, don't people here do any rudimentary homework anymore? This place is half trump4um.com now. I don't get it.
Hah!!! FUNNY! Sassy, just what's needed! TRUE! I tend to agree it's just a case of vote rigging by the obviously biased and all- powerful Microsoft, a dead ringer for the 666-beast if there ever was one. The sheeple are girlish in their thinking and affections, it's true, but they seemed to respond rather well when Trump, the first candidate to rightly blister and deride his opponents in like 75 or 100 years, called down Uncle Ben on his treachery and banality. Yeah, Trump's light years from what we want, but vastly more light years ahead of the alternatives in that respect. Even Ron Paul didn't dare call these establishment shills what they are as the cameras rolled. RIGHTEOUS WRATH is needed, and there sure hasn't been much since they started fluoridating us. If [C]arson voters can be swayed so easily as to throw in their lot with the hateful Crudz, we're back to square one: there is no hope. But I don't think so. If this is fraud, neocon Ruddy is merely another factor in that -- "He is a member of the International Council, chaired by Dr. Henry Kissinger, at the CSIS, a bipartisan Washington, DC think-tank focused on national security and foreign affairs" (wikid). --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur
Lol! That's very funny. And remember, I'm the only one on 4um that #Donald Trump has ever, or will ever, repeatedly compliment. Lol! So my critique of the obvious Jew toady has credo. :-) "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Yeah, Artisan's our point man on this. He not only grabbed the mikes for 9/11 truth at a live Trump speech but documented how refreshingly normal and moderate Trump's response was -- a likely clue that the Donald's measurably different from the rest if nowhere near perfect. Bear in mind that he's evolved by the hour in the course of this campaign -- in my book going from spouting neocon BS to telling people the valid things they really want to hear to (sacre bleu!) actually believing and digging them :-) Rest assured my hat is sodden with oil and vinegar and ready for eating if he gets elected and turns on us. -------------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur
No one here, literally no one that I've seen, seems to recognize him as the ZOG/ZOE facilitator that he is, by his own words. I just don't get it. Talk about selective reading and cognizance. I always viewed people here as more objective. Again, not that it matters in the grand scheme, but we're either talking facts or continuing on in a charade that we traditionally have hammered on here in a terminal fashion. Eyes wide shut.
Not quite sure what you're actually saying here. Are you suggesting that he's not neocon? If so, you're drastically incorrect. He's neocon to the core. It may not play that way in the papers, but when you come out directly and say that you're going to build the biggest military that we've ever had, despite the fact that it's currently larger than the next 11 combined, move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, fully support the very financial institutions in our nation that are at the core of almost all of our issues, then frankly, I'm not sure how much more neocon one can be.
Every other candidate is owned by Wall Street except for Sanders who is an idiot. Cruz is owned by Goldman Sachs. Rand sold America out to Monsanto over GMO labeling. And Rubio is trying to suck up to Sheldon Adelson. I usually vote Libertarian or Ralph Nader. Not this time. I will vote for Trump. I am expecting the worst financial crisis in 500 years because we have more Unpayable Debts than any time in 500 years. A Depression is a period in time when Unpayable Debts are cancelled en masse. I want Trump to be President if there is martial law. 3 million Americans starved to death in the 1930s. We will lose 10 million to starvation this time unless we arrest Bankers and seize assets.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Time will tell what he's really made of -- and only time.
Agree. Thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
This is the hazard of a vote system that only lets you express a favorable opinion for 1 candidate of many. It's very archaic. Approval voting lets voters vote for everyone they like. Whomever is liked the most, wins.
Would it change things if everyone here favored a different candidate?
Approval voting lets voters vote for everyone they like. Whomever is liked the most, wins. Big amen. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
You're clearly watching/reading far too much mainstream news. Trump is up to his ears in mainstream establishment. In fact, find for me one, just one, key quote on any one of the following topics, the single biggest in terms of the undermining and subversion of our liberties, that indicates unequivocally that Trump is not an establishmentarian, just one on any of them? Finance/economy Those are the single biggest areas in which our liberties have been eroded. I can find you all kinds of quotes indicating that he is nothing but an establishmentarian there. Seriously, I don't know where you're getting your info, but it's terminally flawed. Othwerwise, the last person that I want in charge when we have martial law is someone that wants to create the biggest military in our history, that is on-record against certain elements of our population that with the stroke of a pen we could easily join for an infinite number of reasons, one that favors the death penalty for anyone that kills a cop without any qualification in terms of circumstances, and one that fully supports the anti-Christian, yea Satanic behavior, of an entire nation in the Middle East. I'm both flabberghasted and distraught that anyone that reads here regularly would or could possibly say what you just said. Truly. I'll tell ya though, you are a fantastic poster-child for exactly how we screw ourselves despite the fact that you yourself do not have any significant impact as a single person. You represent the "send yourself into slavery with a smile" methodology that has been perpetrated upon us by the establishment. I'm stunned that you and others here cannot see that. Completely lacking wisdom.
I know right now, and anyone that doesn't has his/her eyes closed a/o hasn't done even a modest amount of research. Damn, he's even come out and told us in no uncertain terms, but just like our troops rushing to war in WWI that thought that simply because the Americans had arrived that it would be quick work over the Germans, so too people toss wisdom in the dumpster and plod forth in willful ignorance.
I guess you're gonna have to forgive some of us for not agreeing with you on this. Having a slow day, hmmm? :-) ---------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur
borrowed from Lew Rockwell's forum: “Awaken the Body of Christ” . . . Thomas DiLorenzo . . . by voting for Ted Cruz, said Ted, to a gang of bloodthirsty, warmongering, “evangelicals” in Iowa who loudly cheered his admonition. (All of Ted’s foreign policy advisors are among the worst of the worst of the Strangeloviean neocons). Message to all those Iowa “evangelicals”: Suckerrrrrrrrrrrs!
Yeah, Teddy's such a CHRISTIAN -- so FERVENT! www.youtube.com/watch? v=Kh5YWrqh6RM All he has to do is spout such niceties and his despicable, genocidal vitriol isn't just forgiven but totally forgotten. ----------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur
Not exactly forgiven because he was never condemned for it in the first place.
What kind of a question is that? It's entire premise is flawed. All we talk about here is how it doesn't matter since anyone that would even be truly considered by the establishment must be owned. Yet, in this case it's different. LMAO Seriously? There is no hope in any of the candidates and if there were you can rest assured that for either health reasons or assassination reasons that person wouldn't make it thru 12 months in office in one piece. Or perhaps a "scandal" resulting in impeachment/resignation. NO! It doesn't make a damn bit of difference one way or another. Either way, the only way that Trump is anti-establishment is in financing and operating his campaign, but the anti-establishmentarianism comes to a grinding halt immediately after that. This Trump love here is laughable. ... and disturbing. Otherwise, please tell me how the following are going to do anything to reverse the current trend: An even larger military which Trump has promised. An embassy in Jerusalem. Again, what could possibly go wrong with that. LMAO Instantly bringing down the hammer of "national security" at Trump's mere mention of a problematic demographic per his personal philosophies. Keep in mind, he's fully establishment in terms of NatSec. Just as with The Patriot Act I see problems there. Granted, few others appear to see their own demise there just as with the PA. Pure IF-ism. Someone that validates in spades the charade that is our economy predicated upon the Federal Reserve system and supports it. Trump said in 2013 the following: That sound promising to you? Meanwhile, Trump gets played, or is in on, you can pick your poison, by the Federal Reserve system like a Stradivarius. In the meantime, read this, it should be enlightening. Trump is a tool of the MIC, OK, on the "business" side, the "large corporate business side," fully validating of the charade that is our Federal Reserve bogus system, pro-police-state, and seems to truly believe that our ubiquitous "news delivery system(s)" in this country are on the level. Honestly, I see little practical difference. There is no hope in politics in or current political system until the backdrop for politics changes, but even then it could even more easily go from the frying pan into the fire as well. The author is very kind to Trump in this report as well that reveals Trump to be establishmentarian.
Well, then disagree with this one;
Thanks for the pings -- I get so few anymore! www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHHxPRdwDGw ------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur
The only choices left are 1) Cruz who is not a citizen and has strong ties to Goldman Sachs. 2) Rubio who is not a natural born citizen and is tied at the hip to Shelson Adelson. Trump who has been attacked of late by the Establishment and Israel. You missed my pain point. If we do not arrest the Bankers and seize their assets to fund Debt Cancellation, we will see 10 million Americans starve to death. We will have martial law. The only choices are which President would you like to see in charge or maybe you would prefer a military coup? We have that many Unpayable Debts to cancel. With Debt Based money Debt Cancellation means Monetary Contraction and Depression. That is why we need a Debt Free money like Lincoln'e Greenbacks. The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Thou shalt not belittle the magic negro.
A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.
Building a wall and deportations. Tariffs. A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.
My guess as to why that is, is that you don't care about genocide. A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.
It's fucking Iowa, nobody gives a shit about those corn farmers who are so damn proud of their ethanol gasoline that plays hell with our vehices/boats/lawn equipment. Trump is moving on and the Hawkeyes can go back to their winter slumber.....
#2. To: Katniss (#1)
#3. To: christine (#2)
#4. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
But Trump has to remember that as every candidate drops out
#5. To: Katniss, BTP Holdings, christine (#3)
#6. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
But Trump has to remember that as every candidate drops out – especially grassroots conservatives like Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, and Rick Santorum – their supporters have to go somewhere. Trump’s sharp attacks on his fellow GOP rivals will make capturing these voters difficult.
Marxism: steal everything
Keynesianism: steal by counterfeiting whenever needed
Chicago school (Milton Friedman): steal by counterfeiting at a steady, predictable rate
Austrians: don't steal
'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century
#7. To: Horse (#5)
#8. To: PnbC, All (#6)
Succubee, Cruella, and Sanitorium
#9. To: Katniss (#7)
This place is half trump4um.com now. I don't get it.
#10. To: Artisan, All (#9)
#11. To: Artisan (#9)
So my critique of the obvious Jew toady has credo. :-)
#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#10)
Bear in mind that he's evolved by the hour in the course of this campaign -- in my book going from spouting neocon BS to telling people the valid things they really want to hear to (sacre bleu!) actually believing and digging them :-)
#13. To: Katniss (#7)
#14. To: Katniss (#12)
#15. To: Horse (#13)
#16. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
#17. To: Katniss (#7)
This place is half trump4um.com now. I don't get it.
#18. To: Pinguinite (#16)
This is the hazard of a vote system that only lets you express a favorable opinion for 1 candidate of many. It's very archaic.
#19. To: Horse (#13)
Every other candidate is owned by Wall Street except for Sanders who is an idiot. Cruz is owned by Goldman Sachs. Rand sold America out to Monsanto over GMO labeling. And Rubio is trying to suck up to Sheldon Adelson. I usually vote Libertarian or Ralph Nader. Not this time. I will vote for Trump. I am expecting the worst financial crisis in 500 years because we have more Unpayable Debts than any time in 500 years. A Depression is a period in time when Unpayable Debts are cancelled en masse. I want Trump to be President if there is martial law. 3 million Americans starved to death in the 1930s. We will lose 10 million to starvation this time unless we arrest Bankers and seize assets.
National Security
Education
Israel/Zionism
#20. To: NeoconsNailed (#14)
#21. To: Katniss (#20)
#22. To: Katniss (#11)
Eyes wide shut.
#23. To: Ada (#22)
#24. To: NeoconsNailed (#23)
#25. To: Pinguinite (#17)
Would it change things if everyone here favored a different candidate?
"if you think you're going to change very substantially for the worse Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security in any substantial way, and at the same time you think you're going to win elections, it just really is not going to happen."
#26. To: NeoconsNailed, All (#21)
I guess you're gonna have to forgive some of us for not agreeing with you on this. Having a slow day, hmmm? :-)
#27. To: Katniss (#26)
#28. To: Katniss (#19)
#29. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
#30. To: Katniss (#25)
Otherwise, please tell me how the following are going to do anything to reverse the current trend:
#31. To: Katniss (#25)
Honestly, I see little practical difference.
#32. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#33. To: Horse (#28)
I agree, but look at what happened to the Liberty Dollar a number of years ago. This alternative currency was actually backed by gold and silver on deposit at a vault. They were driven out of business by the establishment which could not have any such thing become a threat to the FED and its funny money system. The Liberty Dollar worked very well. I recall there was a town in Arkansas that you could go and trade your FRNs for Liberty Dollars and shop at the many st stores in town that accepted them. When you were finished with your visit, you could trade the left over Liberty Dollars for FRNs again and leave town with what you had acquired there. The Greenbacks created by Lincoln to fund the War Between the States is what lead to his eventual assassination. John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the European bankers that Lincoln spurned, and not a southern sympathizer. ;) we need a Debt Free money
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#34. To: BTP Holdings, 4 (#33)
trump in nh tonight
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#35. To: BTP Holdings (#33)
A Debt Free money is what Greenbacks were. When we were on the gold standard, you could deposit one $20 gold coin. And your Banker could loan out $200. He created $180 in checking account money as a loan at interest. And he created that checking account money out of thin air.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
#36. To: Katniss, christine (#11)
No one here, literally no one that I've seen, seems to recognize him as the ZOG/ZOE facilitator that he is, by his own words. I just don't get it. Talk about selective reading and cognizance. I always viewed people here as more objective. yeah it used to annoy me too, but I figure it's like this. if we're talking about the average American, I'm sure you could understand how and why they like trump's message. they are very unsophisticated and naïve, gullible. I have likened them to literal retarded children or starving stray dogs,,, you cant help but have pity on them,. However, people "in the know", like those here, or the jew-wise folks, the 9/11 awake folks, the "NWO" experts, youre asking "howTF can they be so dumb to fall for trump??!" That is actually a damn good question, which baffled me at first., and still does to a degree, . However, I figured most people here have to know his faults. its just that they accept and overlook them, because trump appears to be rogue and independent compared to the other absolute piles of trash that we have running. Trump is not a PC prissy politician with a history of crimes against humanity, and so if the choice is him or Hillary, the choice is clear for them. I understand, because, like them, if we must choose, I'd much rather have trump in there than Hillary or bush or cruz, etc.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#37. To: Katniss (#25)
ROFL..... my question was a very funny one. That's what kind it was. I think you catch my point more than you realize. Trump is a wildcard of sorts. If he gets the presidency, then anything could happen. Or maybe nothing. With anyone else, it's more likely nothing will happen -- meaning nothing will change. I'm enjoying the fact that the GOP is floundering in Trump's shadow. Or seems to be, at least. When was the last time we've seen that? Other than that, what's wrong with getting the popcorn, pulling up a chair and watching the Trump show? Since it really doesn't matter who we here on 4um would prefer when the presidency, what's wrong with some real live entertainment? Sure Trump would likely do a lot of things we here on 4um don't like. But if he also does some things the establishment doesn't like, like declassifying all the documents that embarrass the hell out of most every western government including past USA admins, then that's a good thing. What kind of a question is that? It's entire premise is flawed.
#38. To: Artisan (#36)
However, people "in the know", like those here, or the jew-wise folks, the 9/11 awake folks, the "NWO" experts, youre asking "howTF can they be so dumb to fall for trump??!" That is actually a damn good question, which baffled me at first., and still does to a degree, . However, I figured most people here have to know his faults. its just that they accept and overlook them, because trump appears to be rogue and independent compared to the other absolute piles of trash that we have running. Trump is not a PC prissy politician with a history of crimes against humanity, and so if the choice is him or Hillary, the choice is clear for them. I understand, because, like them, if we must choose, I'd much rather have trump in there than Hillary or bush or cruz, etc. I don't think it would make a damn bit of difference. Apparently no one that supports him here has ever bothered to look at the types that backpats with kudos and props at the highest levels, each and every single one an establishmentarian. Which brings us to the second point, that anyone here truly even remotely puts faith into whomever it might be is astonishing in and of itself in this corrupt, mindless, emotionally-laden charade of a things we actually call "free elections." The same exact arguments that you just made were applied, and then quite some more, in the Junior v. Gore election of 2000 and frankly, I have a difficult time even remotely considering that Gore in as the stooge in chief would have been worse. yeah it used to annoy me too, but I figure it's like this. if we're talking about the average American, I'm sure you could understand how and why they like trump's message. they are very unsophisticated and naïve, gullible. I have likened them to literal retarded children or starving stray dogs,,, you cant help but have pity on them,.
#39. To: Pinguinite (#37)
I think you catch my point more than you realize. Trump is a wildcard of sorts. If he gets the presidency, then anything could happen. Or maybe nothing. With anyone else, it's more likely nothing will happen -- meaning nothing will change. I'm enjoying the fact that the GOP is floundering in Trump's shadow. Or seems to be, at least. When was the last time we've seen that? Here's my take: Who cares about the GOP, part of the problem as an organization that's part of the huge ruse. You're wrong about nothing changing, what will change is the people along the lines of demographics will become a whole lot more emotionally charged and adversarial and combative, and yes, ultimately physically so. Who knows, perhaps the result will be all-out civil war, I wouldn't be a plug nickel against it if he wins. We rant about that being the goal here, well, now those ranting about it want to desperately usher it in. Madness, gullibility, and idiocy at its finest! Trump will also usher in the complete and utter eradication of any semblance of dignity associated with the office. He already is doing that. How can this possibly result in anything but what's not good. Trump is like a child in the midst of a tantrum. The thrice divorced, 5 times bankrupted, 4 times military draft deferments is going to lecture us all on morality. Sure. Just don't count me in as one of the mindless fools buying even a shred of that. Otherwise, you are absolutely correct, absolutely nothing will change as he'll put in place very similar people to what any other candidate would. He has no record of going outside any establishment in his personal dealings whatsoever. He praises establishment people, methods, institutions, etc., and is promising to bolster the worst of them. Again, fools climb aboard. This has absolutely nothing to do with any change, it has to do with how I and others view this forum. On one hand we talk a good game, on the other we're too dumb to be able to figure our for ourselves when we're being played but continue to criticize others for not being able to recognize those same things. Nothing's wrong with "grabbing the popcorn," but that's not what's going on here. What's going on here is all but active support for Trump, a huge difference. The mindset here is something other than entertainment and is discouraging given how many people here seem to believe that Trump would actually make a difference besides what I just mentioned. But don't be gullible enough to think that one man makes that kind of difference. Only what suits the establishment will be de-classified, that's a fact. And what is, as with the recently "de-classified" JFK documents, will be so redacted as to be almost worthless anyway. That's what "de-classification" means these days. Don't think for two seconds that Trump would come out and piss in his own stated philosophy on national security anyway, he wouldn't. If anything he's the most police-state oriented one on the current roster. He's said so, but hey, just as with the actual statements of the PTB, who cares when we can watch the TOOOB and have pep-rally brainlessness to wave the banner of, right. ROFL..... my question was a very funny one. That's what kind it was.
Other than that, what's wrong with getting the popcorn, pulling up a chair and watching the Trump show? Since it really doesn't matter who we here on 4um would prefer when the presidency, what's wrong with some real live entertainment?
Sure Trump would likely do a lot of things we here on 4um don't like. But if he also does some things the establishment doesn't like, like declassifying all the documents that embarrass the hell out of most every western government including past USA admins, then that's a good thing.
#40. To: Pinguinite, Artisan, Christine, All (#37) (Edited)
FOR SHAME!
#41. To: Katniss (#39)
Well, it does seem quite evident that the GOP establishment does NOT like Trump at all. I certainly don't look forward to the violence of any civil war. Having said that, there is a reasonable argument that there is no way things will improve without one, so ushering it in sooner rather than later doesn't hurt things. (Then again, civil wars rarely, if ever, bring any civil rights improvement to a country anyway). Along the lines of the above, electing horrible people to office can bring about the "needed" collapse sooner, so what's wrong with that? The boiling frog argument applies too. Put someone in office who's only somewhat horrible, then you get compliance and "give democracy a chance". Put someone like Hillary in, and people are more likely to take the "WTF!" response. All in all, though, if we take the position that it won't matter one bit who gets in office, then deriding any one candidate is no more productive than favoring any other candidate, is it?
#42. To: Pinguinite (#41)
So what? That's what I don't get, so what? There have been lots of people/candidates over the years that have been "disliked" by their parties that would have been no different in office than anyone that they liked. Well, I for one wouldn't mind peace for as long as possible. This charade of an economy is just that, a charade. There's no correcting it without dismantling the global cabal financial apparatus that created it and the odds of that happening are probably about the same as a 4um member winning the Power Ball. I'm for correction as much as the next guy, but when "correction" entails death and destruction, then count me out. And frankly that's what we have to look forward to now. So in essence you're saying bring death and destruction on then, ... for the record? Sorry, can't go along. You're now sidestepping the point. I addressed the first question above. Otherwise, the second question is irrelevant here. You are correct that none of what we think matters on iota in the grand scheme of things. But all along I have been pointing out that the issue I have is with the double-standards and hypocrisy of people here. On one hand they speak against certain things, and here now, they support the very things in a different form, that they've derided. We're here to discuss and interact. I feel like coming here is no different these days as it is talking to my MSM network news spoonfed friends and acquaintenances around here. They're all now blinded to reality. That's the issue, not whether we make up any critical mass, which no one here has argued. Trump has police state written all over him. When TSHTF it's going to be FUGLY and IMO this forum and others like it will be shut down. I can wait another four years to have it unfold. Either way, so far I've listed specifically, Trump's positions on numerous key issues, and will do so now again, and yet not one person has actually countered those positions as articulated by him, rather all I hear/see/read is how he's different. ... Insanity! Trump is 110% IF-er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trump has stated he wants to bolster the military and further apply it!!! Trump is in favor of kill-a-cop-get-the-death-penalty w/o any qualification of that statement whatsoever. Trump is obviously pro-financial markets and pro-existing financial system!! Anyone denying that has no clue. Those are the single biggest issues of our day and the ones that are turning our nation into a living hell and he's on the wrong side of them. Everyone here speaks against them incessantly, yet, in this case they're for them. Again, insanity or idiocy. They can pick their poison. Otherwise, IMO they need to shut-up because they're talking out of both sides, which, at least to me, is not what 4um is all about, or at least hasn't been about. Apparently it is these days. In a way I hope we get the bastard so that hopefully people finally get the kick in the teeth that we need along with the millions of deaths and maybe, just maybe, in 20 years, after which I won't be alive, or perhaps won't care to be, we'll have some hope. I doubt it, just sayin'. I'm at the point where I've seen just about all I need to from this shitty world. My fear is for my kids and again, sorry, I have a difficult time foisting a horrific civil if not world war on them. But think about what you said, in short you don't seem to mind sending this world into the hell that awaits sooner rather than later. I cannot relate. Well, it does seem quite evident that the GOP establishment does NOT like Trump at all.
Having said that, there is a reasonable argument that there is no way things will improve without one, so ushering it in sooner rather than later doesn't hurt things. (Then again, civil wars rarely, if ever, bring any civil rights improvement to a country anyway).
Along the lines of the above, electing horrible people to office can bring about the "needed" collapse sooner, so what's wrong with that? The boiling frog argument applies too. Put someone in office who's only somewhat horrible, then you get compliance and "give democracy a chance". Put someone like Hillary in, and people are more likely to take the "WTF!" response.
All in all, though, if we take the position that it won't matter one bit who gets in office, then deriding any one candidate is no more productive than favoring any other candidate, is it?
#43. To: Katniss (#42)
For what it's worth I get your points and made them all last year when i compiled the record on this open border, anti gun, zionist clown. For another example, trump says he will quote "repeal Obama care (he never says how he will do that) and "replace it with something else, something better'". The crowd cheers wildly for this. Like I said man, they're literally like retards. Number one, trump is admittedly not against centralized control of "health care." I wouldn't get too frustrated with it all, though I understand your frustration with seeing folks who are supposedly in the know who would balk if any other candidates said the exact same stupid deranged shit that trump says daily. The clencher is that he says a lot of good things,too. That is what he is skillful at. Again, insanity or idiocy
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#44. To: Artisan (#43)
That's exactly right. He's also not against foreign wars. He's also not against the Fed or its rigged system. He's also not against corporate perks since he himself has availed himself of them way too many times to count. He's full-fledged IF-er. He's full-fledged MIC. But as you said above, the kicker is that he talks incessantly about what he's going to do. People admit that he's an "outsider," although most fail to accurately recognize that that's only as a politician, as a businessman he's hardly an outsider, he's pure establishmentarian. The frustration stems from people here that spout to the contrary 24/7/365 yet cannot see thru this blatant charade. To then turn around and criticize the rest of the nation for doing the same at different levels is hypocritical. As they say, get one's house in order before going on the speaking circuit with advice on how to do that. Number one, trump is admittedly not against centralized control of "health care."
I wouldn't get too frustrated with it all, though I understand your frustration with seeing folks who are supposedly in the know who would balk if any other candidates said the exact same stupid deranged shit that trump says daily. The clencher is that he says a lot of good things,too. That is what he is skillful at.
#45. To: Katniss (#42)
First, I already stated that I do not welcome violence. And it's particularly unwelcome when levied against innocent people. So I'll restate that for the record. I want to be clear on that. Your points against Trump are very valid. But if you don't believe the election system works, if you believe any and every candidate who could get elected is obviously a poison to original American values & civil liberties, etc then what's your solution? Do you have one? I don't think you do. And I don't either. No one here does. And now you come close to criticizing me not because I welcome civil war, but because I predict it as an only possible path to breaking the establishment. And you criticize so many others here on 4um because they may lend more favor to Trump as though it might make a difference in who gets elected? Personally, I see disfavoring a candidate, as you do Trump, to be as useless as favoring any other candidate. So what's the big deal? What good does it do to criticize others here? My take: The USA is simply far too large. In a country with some 340 million people, one person's vote is trash. That's the way it is. The system is broken as it does not represent the will of the people or the states. Everyone would be better off if the country was broken up into about 6-8 different smaller countries. That way there would be less concentration of power and stronger local voices in how things should be. In a time when entertainment might be the only antidote to the state of affairs, I suggest you take things too seriously. Then again, you have kids. I don't. So that's a difference that would show our differences, too. My best, Katniss.
#46. To: Pinguinite (#45)
Again, you're missing my point(s) entirely, which I've explained now several times. Go read again. The issue has absolutely nothing to do with "solutions, candidates, (s)elections," etc. There are no solutions in politics, none whatsoever, particularly in our rigged system(s). For anyone that's missed it over the years, all that new selectees do is tack on more laws to the already exponentially absurd stack of laws that already exist and they rarely if ever, and never in the most critical ways, actually undo anything that their predecessor did. Rather, it has everything to do with people that apparently are being very easily duped right here, regular posters to this forum, that chastise and slam others, generically and at large, for doing the same exact things that they are now doing re: Trump, namely being duped by what IMO is the patently blatant. I can't make it any more clear than that. To me if that's what the discussion has deteriorated to here, as I've said, a pro-Trump 4um, then it's become useless for the exchange of info and ideas and no longer stands out in a world that desperately needs oases of reason. Read what I just wrote several times and my point should become quite clear. At this point this place may as well be a Trump 4um. That's not a good thing as it demonstrates the complete opposite of what this place originally stood for. If people cannot see that it's entirely because they're at least momentarily absorbed in the moment, just like the rest of the sheep out there. Your points against Trump are very valid. But if you don't believe the election system works, if you believe any and every candidate who could get elected is obviously a poison to original American values & civil liberties, etc then what's your solution? Do you have one?
#47. To: Katniss (#46)
It'll be gone on a few months anyway when the elections over so who cares? She only opened it back up temporarily, to be nice . If its that aggrivating to read the constant trump love then ditch the place. I actually think most posters here view trump as mere entertainment. At this point this place may as well be a Trump 4um. That's not a good thing as it demonstrates the complete opposite of what this place originally stood for.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#48. To: Katniss (#46)
This is key to our entire problem, and why many here see Trump as potentially a total change from the status quo. He might be wonderful, or he might be awful; but at least he'd be different from everyone that's been potus since JFK. We're ready to take that chance. There's really nothing to lose unless you like Hillary! or Rubio. The issue has absolutely nothing to do with "solutions, candidates, (s)elections," etc. There are no solutions in politics, none whatsoever, particularly in our rigged system(s). For anyone that's missed it over the years, all that new selectees do is tack on more laws to the already exponentially absurd stack of laws that already exist and they rarely if ever, and never in the most critical ways, actually undo anything that their predecessor did.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#49. To: Artisan (#47)
Well, not sure about most, don't know how many there are, but the reality is that a good number seem to be excited that Trump will bring change if elected. As to re-opening it temporarily, if this is what it has deteriorated to, may as well close it again. JMO I actually think most posters here view trump as mere entertainment.
#50. To: Artisan, Katniss (#47) (Edited)
We are OVER, DONE FOR, DOWN THE DRAIN if Hillary or Sanders is selected. There will be nothing to talk about. In that scenario, I, for one, am checking out. At least with Trump, as Lod wrote, there's a chance for change for the better no matter how small and there will be a lot to talk about. Listen to Roger Stone on Alex Jones' show yesterday. I think he makes compelling points. 24 minutes in.
#51. To: Katniss (#49)
you don't have to stay if it/we are so distasteful to you.
#52. To: Lod (#48)
exactly There's really nothing to lose unless you like Hillary! or Rubio.
#53. To: Pinguinite (#45)
very, very well stated, Neil. I agree.
#54. To: christine (#50)
We're already down the drain. No political person can help. But if Trump gets elected, tell me how things change, potentially and with reason, to alter what's now going on that is destroying us?
#55. To: Katniss (#54)
Listen to Roger Stone. He'll explain it to you much better than I could possibly type.
#56. To: christine (#52)
exactly That's not an argument. It's merely an emotional outburst. Again, I'd like one of the Trump supporters to tell me how they think that things will change to usher in something really different and hopeful. I'll be that not one person can articulate, with reason and basis, anything of the sort regarding the single biggest issues impacting us today. I've told Artisan that of all the candidates, the one to me that promises the biggest acceleration of the police state, it's Trump, based on his own words. I fail to see how that can possibly be the best scenario. There's really nothing to lose unless you like Hillary! or Rubio.
#57. To: christine (#55)
Is that your argument? Is that it? Mine is based entirely on Trump's own statements and positions. Not on what some political hack has to say. Listen to Roger Stone. He'll explain it to you much better than I could possibly type.
#58. To: Katniss (#57)
I don't have time. Here it is in 5 words. It's either Trump or Hillary.
#59. To: christine (#55)
BTW, that's also precisely what I mean when I mention independent thinking. Seems like all of the support here is media soundbite driven with little if any actual analysis. Thus far not one person has been able to contradict and invalidate anything that I've pointed out about Trump, again, his own words, yet on the top-three topics that are sinking us faster than we ever could have imagined. Not one. Frankly, it's not possible since they're Trump's own words. Everyone here slams any IF-er. Except Trump. He's different for some inexplicable reason. Everyone here slams the police state. Except when Trump espouses it. Everyone here accurately recognizes the Fed and all of its spinoff institutions as the core of the issues in our country. But not when Trump validates them all. Seems to me those are the three single biggest issues of our day and yet Trump is on the wrong side of all three; National security, the Fed and the phony charade of an economy we have, and this nation's love for all things Zio & Israel, and Trump's a champion for all three. Does this seem sane to you? Seriously, does it seem sane?
#60. To: Katniss (#54)
Katniss, I've been reading this back and forth and can't seem to find where you've written what YOUR solution to our dilemma would be. Sure, neither Trump nor any other individual running for president is going to be the ultimate savior we'd like to see, but what exactly is the alternative?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#61. To: Katniss (#59)
Out of all the candidates running, he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS. That's one thing in his favor that I found pretty important.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#62. To: FormerLurker (#60)
Forget it. You've obviously missed something. You've also got it backwards. The entire point, and I've pointed this out at least five times in text that you claim to have read, is precisely that there is no political solution. That a majority of people here seem to believe that Trump is one. Read the post before this and address the facts. Let's discuss. Explain to me why anyone thinks that Trump will be different. So far all I've been able to get from any of his supporters here is to read the works of someone else that isn't even here.
#63. To: FormerLurker (#60)
yep.
#64. To: FormerLurker (#61)
That's one thing in his favor that I found pretty important. Pardon me? Apparently you missed his statement about building the military even larger and more powerful so that no one wants to mess with us. Serious question, and no sense in continuing unless you answer it. Do you see that statement as making sense? Do you think that a larger military is the solution to our problems? Trump has said that he wants to "bomb the shit out of ISIS?" Is that dignified and sane rhetoric to you? Do you believe that will fix things? Do you truly believe that ISIS is exactly what the media portrays it as? He says that Israel is our friend and he'll do whatever is necessary to protect them. Do you believe that? Do you think that's the "right path?" Do you agree with his "kill a cop and get the death penalty" statement? Yes or no? Let's discuss the specifics of issues against the backdrop of his statements instead of this montage of nonsense for anyone not drinking the Trump koolaid. So far all the Trump supporters here are avoiding the issues like the plague. I can see why, just sayin'. I mean if all we want is to feel good and go into ignorance is bliss mode, go buy weed. Out of all the candidates running, he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS.
#65. To: FormerLurker (#61)
I think Trump would do well as President. Partly because he is a Fascist. Surprised? Don't be. The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA itself is a CORPORATION according to the Act of 1871. ALL CAPS is how corporations are signified in the legal realm. ;) he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#66. To: christine (#58)
I strongly suspect it'll be Hillary, she's far more blackmail-able and therefore controllable. But let me ask you, what do you really think that the differences will be on the following issues? Israel: Which would have the better for us position? Fed: Which would have the better for us position? Police State/National Security Apparatus: Which do you think will have the better position? I see no difference and nothing changing either way, but Trump has already gone all-in on all three. I don't have time. Here it is in 5 words. It's either Trump or Hillary.
#67. To: Katniss (#59)
what you refuse to see or acknowledge in any way is that THERE IS NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TRUMP OR HILLARY. TRUMP IS THE ONLY MAN WHO CAN BEAT THAT BITCH. WE HAVE ALL STATED ON THIS THREAD JUST THAT, BUT YOU REFUSE TO "GET" THAT IT REALLY IS JUST THAT SIMPLE. AND, YES, I'M YELLING.
#68. To: Katniss (#64)
Where can I get some? And what's the going rate? I don't do that stuff, but I'm willing to learn. ...go buy weed.
#69. To: FormerLurker (#61)
Sanders is beating his chest for the War Party? Trump certainly is. Not sure where you're getting your news from. All he talks about is building a bigger military, as if that isn't a huge part of the problem, both economically as well as foreign policy wise. At least "before Trump" it always was as stated here by everyone. I guess now everyone here supports that, eh. ... along with the shameless support for Israel. Out of all the candidates running, he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS.
#70. To: Fred Mertz (#68)
I don't do that stuff, but I'm willing to learn. Pretty much anywhere, just ask around. Particularly people employed in the restaurant industry. LOL Have no idea on rates. Where can I get some? And what's the going rate?
#71. To: christine (#67)
WE HAVE ALL STATED ON THIS THREAD JUST THAT, BUT YOU REFUSE TO "GET" THAT IT REALLY IS JUST THAT SIMPLE. AND, YES, I'M YELLING. Again, facts, not emotionalism. Explain to me how this country will be better off with either? Let's start here, instead of getting all whooped up and emotionally charged, take a deep breath and tell me in your own words, what the three to five single biggest issues that this country faces are? What are they? Shouldn't take you but a minute. what you refuse to see or acknowledge in any way is that THERE IS NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TRUMP OR HILLARY. TRUMP IS THE ONLY MAN WHO CAN BEAT THAT BITCH.
#72. To: All (#68)
Suggestion? Time from this futile Trump scrap and take in this hilariously right-on short talk www.dailystormer.com/arya...rations-black-innovation/ It's that irresistably hoity-toity Brit! --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur -------------------------------------------------------- 
#73. To: NeoconsNailed (#72) (Edited)
I want to engage some people here on actual facts on Trump and not on pure
emotionalism as has been going on. Trump caters to peoples' emotional side
and successfully. Much as it was post 911. In fact, the similarities are
alarming as then it led us into support for the Patriot Act, the single biggest
modern act of the destruction of our liberty giving the government carte blanche
permission to do at it pleases in terms of protecting its own interests in the
name of national security.
#74. To: NeoconsNailed (#72)
BTW, I'll bet you that not one person here, using facts, can articulate why Trump would be without question better than Hillary. Hillary would be nothing but the wooden head that she's supposed to be. Trump would likely be far worse if his own words are to be believed. If they're not to be believed, then he's an empty suit too. Frankly, and answer this, but we always talk here about how our presidents take orders from the ZOG/ZOE, right? So what, that's now no longer the case? Because if it is, then Hillary cannot possibly be any worse than Trump who's on record as being all-in for the ZOG/ZOE! And yes, now I'm yelling. In other words, he's told us that he's all in for Israel, the MIC, our current economic system implicitly, and people here applaud and support that. LMAO Seriously? F'ing seriously?
#75. To: NeoconsNailed (#72) (Edited)
BTW, I've made numerous posts now asking for people to engage using facts, and notice, not one taker. Not one. Here, at 4um. What does that tell us? I know what it tells me.
#76. To: Katniss (#62)
So your solution is that there is no solution. Got it. Explain to me why anyone thinks that Trump will be different It's good to have hope. And as I've said, he's the only one who doesn't appear to have a trigger finger itching for the chance to deliver thermonuclear hell to the human race. Forget it. You've obviously missed something.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#77. To: Katniss (#64)
Apparently you missed his statement about building the military even larger and more powerful so that no one wants to mess with us. Building a defensive capability is not the same as starting wars with every nation on earth. Eliminating the waste and fraud in the MIC (how many trillions can't they account for, how many epic failures have they dumped terrabucks into such as the F-35, etc.), and eliminating policies which support and fund terrorists such as ISIS would be a good start. Trump has said that he wants to "bomb the shit out of ISIS?" Didn't he say let RUSSIA "bomb the shit" out of ISIS?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#78. To: Katniss (#64)
Source? He says that Israel is our friend and he'll do whatever is necessary to protect them. Do you believe that? Do you think that's the "right path?"
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#79. To: Katniss (#64)
Source? Do you agree with his "kill a cop and get the death penalty" statement? Yes or no?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#80. To: NeoconsNailed (#72)
The Stormer is celebrating Black History Month?
#81. To: Katniss (#69)
Oh, you mean how he'd like Saudi Arabia to "fight ISIS", being that Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar pretty much ARE ISIS? Or how he approves of punishing Russia for the US backed overthrow of the Ukraine government and the massacre of civilians by the new government? From Bernie Sanders on the Issues Mr. Sanders has supported President Obama’s use of sanctions to punish Russia for its policies toward Ukraine, and he similarly backs Mr. Obama’s efforts to strike a deal with Iran over its nuclear program. Sanders is beating his chest for the War Party?
He says the fight against the Islamic State should be undertaken by countries like Saudi Arabia, which borders Iraq and, he argues, has the financial and military resources to fight the extremist group.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#82. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Source? I see the problem here, you need to do more of your own research. This is a freebie. I'm not going to do your homework for you, I have my own pursuits. Most of it I picked up via links here though. One of numerous credible sources You can do your own research on the rest. Google works wonders. Do you agree with his "kill a cop and get the death penalty" statement? Yes or no?
#83. To: FormerLurker (#79)
And BTW, do you agree with his sentiment? Or does it alarm and scare you? What has Hillary said that is worse on that topic of the police state? Again, if you want to discuss, let's stick to facts.
#84. To: Katniss (#74)
Again, please source your remarks. As far as the economy, how many other candidates are calling for an effort to bring jobs back to America, and end the flood of illegal aliens allowed to enter this country and run amok? In other words, he's told us that he's all in for Israel, the MIC, our current economic system implicitly
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#85. To: FormerLurker (#77)
You tell me. What did he say? Go ahead, write what he said, exactly, in your next post! That took me all of about 15 seconds to find mind you. Again, the problem here is ignorance of Trump's actual positions. Obviously you and other Trump supporters agree with that. Or not? Apart from the fact that his delivery is problematic too as his whole schtick, much as it was post-911, is driven by emotionally charged rhetoric. What has Hillary said that is worse on the topic? Didn't he say let RUSSIA "bomb the shit" out of ISIS?
#86. To: FormerLurker (#81)
Is this warmonger4um now? Seems to be.
#87. To: Katniss (#74)
Trump is not married to a rapist. BTW, I'll bet you that not one person here, using facts, can articulate why Trump would be without question better than Hillary.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
#88. To: FormerLurker (#84)
I've done this twice and implicitly proven you wrong. Please respond to what I've posted. As to sources, you can do the rest. That's everyone's individual assignment in this world, to research one's own beliefs and basis for understanding. You are pissed and others are silent for one simple reason, namely that you're completely wrong on Trump and don't want to or can't admit it. Again, please source your remarks.
#89. To: Dakmar (#87)
No, he's been divorced three times and is married to big money. Which is better for us? Trump is not married to a rapist.
#90. To: Dakmar (#87)
The reasoning here is shamefully soft recently.
#91. To: Katniss (#82)
Odd, I get a "Suspicious Web Page Blocked" page when I clicked on the link you provided... One of numerous credible sources
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#92. To: Katniss (#88)
Huh? You're the one who appears to be taking all this personally. Myself, I'm just trying to look at the big picture, and am certainly not getting all worked up over it. You are pissed
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#93. To: Katniss (#89)
Which is better for us? Economics Vs Politics, hmmm, tough question. Should innovation and efficiency take a back seat to mob rule? Many people think so, I'm not one of them. No, he's been divorced three times and is married to big money.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
#94. To: Katniss (#86)
Ok, so let's vote for a Clinton/McCain ticket, that's the answer. Those mushroom clouds will look lovely on the horizon. Is this warmonger4um now?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#95. To: Katniss (#90)
Not enough cowbells. The reasoning here is shamefully soft recently.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
#96. To: Katniss (#88)
You're posting at light speed, so sorry if I don't see your post before I get a chance to read them (or vice versa). I've done this twice and implicitly proven you wrong.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#97. To: FormerLurker (#94)
Those mushroom clouds will look lovely on the horizon. Wow, just wow! This place so has its head up its ass for Trump. If you ask me, if you wanted mushroom clouds then Trump's your man. He's even said so essentially. BTW, I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth about supporting anyone, much less Hillary. I can't stand any of 'em, they all filthy liars and narcissists and with the possible exception of Sanders are all bought and paid for in one form or another. Good to see though that so many here support the single biggest MIC advocate and IF-er in the line-up. Guess that doesn't render much credibility in speaking against those things in the future now, does it? Does it? G'night. I cannot add anymore. The emotionalism in favor of Trump here has surpassed any possible sense of reason and sense. Ok, so let's vote for a Clinton/McCain ticket, that's the answer.
#98. To: FormerLurker (#96)
BTW, one last thing ... What did he say in that 45 second video clip? I don't see that you acknowledged it anywhere. Go ahead, put it in print for us all.
#99. To: Katniss (#83)
Or does it alarm and scare you? In terms of "kill a cop get the death penalty", it's pretty much the de facto rule as it is. Ask Christopher Dorner. But in terms of federal law, I don't think Congress has the authority to determine penalties for violations of state laws, such as rape or murder. And if you take into consideration the audience Trump was speaking to, they were police officers, so yep, he was pandering to them. And BTW, do you agree with his sentiment?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#100. To: Katniss (#98)
Go ahead, put it in print for us all. You're in a super rush here tonight, eh? Are you on speed or something? I don't see that you acknowledged it anywhere.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#101. To: Horse (#35)
Have you ever wondered why the tallest buildings within any US municipality are based on banking? And your Banker could loan out $200. He created $180 in checking account money as a loan at interest. And he created that checking account money out of thin air.
#102. To: Katniss (#97)
I'll give you a chance to calm down and gather your thoughts, and will get back to you over the weekend, one topic at a time, and not at a gattling gun rate. G'night. I cannot add anymore. The emotionalism in favor of Trump here has surpassed any possible sense of reason and sense.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#103. To: Katniss (#98)
I've read through the many comments since your last post to me. Somehow, I comically picture us all on the Titanic as it's taking on water, and you are upset that some people are holding out a little hope of maybe getting rescued, as though that makes the ship sink faster or something. I mean, I think we both agree that we're screwed, but somehow, because we haven't given in to complete hopelessness, it's our fault that we're screwed. That's the message I seem to be getting from you. I guess you would say your message is something different and that I'm too dense to understand it. But I could easily say the same, as I don't think you're getting my message. I'm fortunate, I suppose, because my personal view of life makes politics and even worst case scenarios nothing to worry about, as it's just a small thing in comparison to what life is really all about. So it's much less a matter if you and I don't understand each other on a particular topic. It's instead more important that you know that this issue or misunderstanding is nothing worth bearing any ill-will toward you. So I wish you well and hope you hang out here on 4um. Best....
#104. To: Pinguinite, katniss, christine (#103)
That's a nice reply, neil. To me it's sort of cute that folks in the know would hold out some sort of hope politically. Hope is a virtue, and to me it reveals a sort of innocence, naivete, a vulnerability, a good heart. I don't think we should have contempt or disdain for those who have hope. At the same time, I think katniss is seeing that those who usually don't trust politicians and quickly point out their rot, seem to give trump a pass on many issues. On this I agree because I see it too. However trump is not the most isreal first candidate. He has said several things which refute that claim. Including implying that Israel funds isis, that israel Doesnt want peace with palestine, that jews don't support him because he can't be bought, he cancelled his trip to see bibi, and several other things. I believe he knows all about 911. Some speculate that the reason he brought up the "celebrating folks in Jersey on 911" was actually a warning to the Jews to watch it. Plus, sorry to bring this up again, but when I shouted to him that jews were arrested and that israel did 911, he says I'm a committed trump guy, that I'm on his side. WTF kind of reply is that??? Lol. He could've said I'm an evil antisemite but did not. I think there is more to this guy than meets the eye and that he indeed is not as controlled as the rest of them.plus, I don't believe his ego would accept being scorned by his base if he betrays them on immigration, gun rights, trade policies, etc.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#105. To: Katniss (#89)
Twice and the current wife is a former model, not big money. No, he's been divorced three times and is married to big money.
#106. To: Artisan (#104)
Honestly, Artisan, I would caution reading too much into Trump's response to that incident. Trump previously caught a bit of flak when a he commented that a heckler at one of his rallies should be roughed up, so his response to you, saying you were on his side, and his repeated comment to not hurt you, may well have been simply a response to that earlier mistake with someone else, and have nothing to do with what you said. On that note, relevant to the comments on this thread, it does seem Trump knows how say the right things to people to impress them. It's quite possible he's willing to stray quite far from what he actually believes to get the support he thinks he needs to to get elected. It does seem obvious the major media despises him, if his feud with Fox news is real, and that he knows how to get the populous fired up over his candidacy. I think we here on 4um and similar places have perhaps fantasized at one time or another about a rogue candidate that would do and say all the right things to get into office, and once they do, throw all of that away and do lots of wonderful, drastic things like shutting down lots of needless bureacracies, ending the WoD, end the world empire, cutting off all foreign aid, arresting and charging bankers on wall street, and so on. Maybe that's what Trump is, or maybe he's a rogue candidate of the opposite type who would instead further all the worst of the worst going on in the country. Since he's never actually held office, all we have to judge him by is what he has said, which is all Katniss who opposes Trump, as well as all who support Trump, can judge him by. One thing seems sure though. Trump doesn't need anyone's money, unlike Hillary who sees fit to accept $675,000 for 3 speeches to wall street, and millions more for however many other speeches (as though Hillary is some kind of economic genius that top wall street executives are eager to glean some monetary wisdom from). As a billionaire, Trump doesn't need anyone's money, so it is reasonable to suggest that Trump will not be chained to anyone in any place of power. At least financial power. Maybe he can be controlled through fame or some other means money cannot buy, but control through money seems quite unlikely in Trump's case. And that *IS* a valid basis to expect something different from Trump (good or bad), as just about every other politician in recent history has that weakness.
#107. To: Pinguinite (#106)
And we all know that Al Gore invented the internet - NOT! ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#108. To: Fred Mertz (#68)
I was working a concert and found a 35 mm film container. I opened it and there was good weed in it. I didn't smoke it, so I sold it to someone for $20. It was maybe enough to make a few joints. Not sure what the going rate is these days, but the drugs used where I live now are much different from when I lived in Chicago. ;) I don't do that stuff, but I'm willing to learn.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#109. To: Ada (#80)
Did you click??? --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur -------------------------------------------------------- (Sorry about this hideous illustration. Clearly being president is the most genocidal job too, so.....hmmm?) The Stormer is celebrating Black History Month?
#110. To: Katniss (#75)
I'm surprised you're tellable on this subject, but impressed you're making it your life's mission for the duration :-] --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur -------------------------------------------------------- 
#111. To: Pinguinite (#106)
Your last two posts on this thread are extremely cogent and civil; thank you. Regarding the notion that Trump, being a billionaire, can't be bought, and therefore gives some reason for hope: Hillary has reportedly been paid $125 million for speeches in the last 10-11 years, she had some windfall gains with shady trading deals years ago, and she and Bill have long been involved in all kinds of other lucrative and iniquitous dealings. So, economically, "her needs are met." I know that the rich are seldom satisfied -- they always want another dollar -- but she obviously has enough to live in the lap of luxury for the rest of her miserable life. Therefore, much like Trump, it could probably be said that "she doesn't need anyone's money". But that's not to say she couldn't be bought. I think she already has been.
#112. To: NeoconsNailed (#109)
Yes. Seems they are doing their bit. Did you click???
#113. To: Ada (#112)
Now tell me...... I've got to know, even though you're a member of this often irony- proof club..... did you detect a tone of sarcasm at all? --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur -------------------------------------------------------- 
#114. To: StraitGate (#111)
Wait a minute -- have we ever heard a scripted Trump speech? Could be another promising factor if he doesn't use (UGGGHHHH!!!!) speechwriters. Eat your heart out, Peggy Noonan!!!! Sppechwriters are one of the worst plagues on us. Quite seriously and gravely, they should be banned. And a public that goes by candidates' superficial qualities (e.g. glibness) only deserves what it gets. --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur -------------------------------------------------------- 
#115. To: Pinguinite (#106)
and so far, Trump is the only person, including Ron Paul, who has been outspoken about the lies of 9/11. He is in NYC. He knows Silverstein. You can't tell me that he doesn't know the truth about the Bldg 7 demolition. Whether or not, he goes further with this is yet to be seen. He'd probably be assassinated if the PTB felt that he was serious about another investigation of 9/11. Maybe he can be controlled through fame or some other means money cannot buy, but control through money seems quite unlikely in Trump's case. And that *IS* a valid basis to expect something different from Trump (good or bad), as just about every other politician in recent history has that weakness.
#116. To: Artisan (#104) (Edited)
sigh...it isn't a pass. damn, I don't know how else to explain as I have done countless times and so have others. We're at the freaking end. it's either Hillary or whomever wins the R nomination. I prefer to take a chance on the unknown of Trump vs the known of HRC for the reasons that you wrote in your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. At the same time, I think katniss is seeing that those who usually don't trust politicians and quickly point out their rot, seem to give trump a pass on many issues. On this I agree because I see it too.
#117. To: NeoconsNailed (#113)
Sarcasm can be so unpleasant at times. Perhaps "gentle mocking" would better describe that piece. :-) Now tell me...... I've got to know, even though you're a member of this often irony- proof club..... did you detect a tone of sarcasm at all?
#118. To: NeoconsNailed (#113)
Those African buffalos have it right. Only adult females vote.
#119. To: StraitGate (#111)
I don't doubt the numbers, but when someone pays you, particularly when it's big money like that, you have a debt to pay back to them, and it's not so easy to wash your hands of those past ties. If as president she reneged, she'd be in trouble. Trump, on the other hand, appears to have made his money without incurring such debts via "pre-bribes", and if so would go into the presidency without owing anybody anything. Hillary has reportedly been paid $125 million for speeches in the last 10-11 years, she had some windfall gains with shady trading deals years ago, and she and Bill have long been involved in all kinds of other lucrative and iniquitous dealings. So, economically, "her needs are met."
#120. To: Pinguinite (#119)
Trump, on the other hand, appears to have made his money without incurring such debts via "pre-bribes", and if so would go into the presidency without owing anybody anything. Well said. After accepting all of that "pre-bribe" money, Hillary would have some definite obligations that would certainly be contra your and my best interests. And she would be far more susceptible to blackmail than someone who earned his money more legitimately. I don't doubt the numbers, but when someone pays you, particularly when it's big money like that, you have a debt to pay back to them, and it's not so easy to wash your hands of those past ties. If as president she reneged, she'd be in trouble.
#121. To: StraitGate (#120)
Listen to Larry Nichols on Alex Jones 2/4/16 about Hillary. It's quite interesting and I can only hope that he's not murdered before he can expose HRC completely.
#122. To: christine (#116)
I already wrote that I understand, and that I think trump would be immeasurably better than mass-murderer criminal Clinton any day. I don't really care if people disagree about whatever, disagreement has never bothered me. i don't really give a shit who supports whom, and i don't even think the elections are honest anyway. I have many friends with ideas that fundamentally contradict mine. I don't freak out over it. big deal, you know? Just because we disagree doesn't mean they or I am bad people with bad intent. however, that said, its OK to admit that people give trump a pass on many things., because the truth is that THEY DO. if a neocon or dem wanted to register muslims and praise torture, and the patriot act, and say "freedom of speech is for foolish people," endorse bibi, etc., if any random hack said those things, theyd be condemned here. Trump gets a pass because, well, he's funny, sort of rogue, and people like him. Trump even said himself that he could go down to the blvd and shoot an innocent person and people would still support him. LMAO! I think That's FUNNY!! I think his campaign is endlessly entertaining. I am enjoying watching it. people give trump a pass on many things, including folks here. trump knows it, jokes about it, everyone knows it. What's the big deal to admit it?? p.s. I don't think 'we're at the end.' I've been hearing that doomsday shit since I was a kid, and I don't buy it. I know several people wo bought in to the doomsday stuff in the early 2000s after 9/11 and made very bad business decisions , they thought we'd be in 'fema camps' anyway, so instead of focusing on their careers and making money, loving their families, having fun, they listed to 'patriot conspiracy shows' and now are up a creek because they're broke. obsessing on endless gloomy scenarios, etc. I understand the keen interest in world affairs, commenting on it, being aware, opposing rot, etc, and I am like that too, theres nothing wrong with it. its interesting and important. but to always have that sense of doom, in my opinion, is not correct or productive. heck, as I'm very aware, any of us could be dead this hour anyway so any political doomsday is not too relevant since we all face possible death any day at every moment. that's my perspective and I don't mind of you or anyone disagrees, I wont be offended. :-) sigh...it isn't a pass. damn, I don't know how else to explain as I have done countless times and so have others.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#123. To: christine, lod, horse (#121)
Mike Rivero mentioned last week that trump's small plane had engine trouble and had to make an emergency landing IN ARKANSAS. !!!! DID you hear about this? wild, scary sad stuff. I have not found that story anywhere yet, but it should be front page news worldwide. I think that anyone who does a pre-flight inspection should be required to fly on the plane with him. that should be a no compromise rule, lol.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#124. To: Pinguinite, horse, christine, neoconsnailed (#106)
you need to learn more about the details of this incident to understand it. It was not a random comment to a heckler, and his policy is not in any way to "be kind to hecklers." Matter of fact, at that very same rally, trump said that the various protesters were "WEAK," to "get him out of here," that they're "doped up," and that they are "losers," etc. You can watch the full Michigan rally on youtube to hear his replies, 12/21/15. Those were all the people who were kicked out before and after me. He also again said some were weak for not putting up a fight when they are kicked out. He recently, only about one week ago, said to beat up anyone who started trouble, something about if someone were to throw a tomoato But me, he said "I'm on his side, a trump guy, I'm committed, have a lot of energy, and said that I'm ok, I could stay. Get it? then he stopped his 60 minute speech AGAIN, LATER, for another full minute, to watch as they escorted me out, and said 'don't hurt him, be nice to him" six times. Everyone heard what I said, Israel did 9/11, it was JEWS, not muslims, in response, he said "I'm a trump guy, I'm on his side," Trump knows all about 9/11 and was signaling it just like he has several other times. No candidate would ever say an Israel did 9/11 heckler was on their side, they would immediately condemn them as an evil anti-Semite. Honestly, Artisan, I would caution reading too much into Trump's response to that incident. Trump previously caught a bit of flak when a he commented that a heckler at one of his rallies should be roughed up, so his response to you, saying you were on his side, and his repeated comment to not hurt you, may well have been simply a response to that earlier mistake with someone else, and have nothing to do with what you said.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#125. To: Artisan (#124)
I have no illusions about Trump, but tend to agree with Martisan. --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur -------------------------------------------------------- 
#126. To: Artisan (#122)
In case you missed it, there is my criticism of Trump on his position on torture. I still maintain that he's not getting a pass from me on the issues with which I disagree with him. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=188507&Disp=35#C35
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