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Title: Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa
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URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ru ... -himself/2016/02/02/id/712280/
Published: Feb 2, 2016
Author: Christopher Ruddy
Post Date: 2016-02-02 06:24:40 by BTP Holdings
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Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa Image: Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa By Christopher Ruddy | Tuesday, 02 Feb 2016 12:04 AM Ted Cruz didn’t defeat Donald Trump Monday night in Iowa. Trump defeated himself. I have no doubt that polls showing Trump leading in Iowa – and across the nation – have been largely accurate. Trump is fresh, bold, brash and brave. His message is resonating with millions of Americans. In some ways, he could be starting a Great Awakening in American politics, paving the way for “outsiders” to finally have their voice heard in Washington. If Trump were elected president, it would be historic — the first “Citizen President.” Every president to date has been a politician or general. But Iowa underscores that Trump’s great strengths can turn into fatal weaknesses, and this phenomena will make his gaining the nomination difficult. Here’s why. Trump lost Iowa largely for one reason: he crushed Ben Carson. Remember the likable doctor who was leading in Iowa polls? Trump hit Dr. Ben hard, questioning his integrity and even his medical acumen. Trump, as we know, is a super-effective communicator. Perhaps the best communicator ever fielded in a GOP race. Trump used his verbal powers and eviscerated Carson. Carson’s poll numbers collapsed, his campaign staff quit and his fundraising machine ground to a halt. But it was a Pyrrhic victory for Trump because the Carson voters didn’t back him – they switched to Cruz! Poll numbers shows Cruz’s dramatic rise right after the Carson collapse. Trump effectively defeated Carson to elect Cruz. Had Carson remained higher in the polls, he would have become Cruz’s target, and the pair would have divided the evangelical vote, paving the way for an easy Trump win. The lesson of Iowa is this: Reagan’s 11th Commandment makes great political sense. Reagan’s directive famously said, “Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican.” The idea is that GOP rivals can and should vigorously disagree on policy matters – but personal attacks should be avoided at all costs. Reagan himself fought a bitter primary against Gerald Ford in 1976. But Reagan’s campaign was a battle for his ideas – never a personal attack on Ford. After Iowa, I have little doubt that Donald Trump will continue to lead the GOP field heading into New Hampshire’s primary. But Trump has to remember that as every candidate drops out – especially grassroots conservatives like Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, and Rick Santorum – their supporters have to go somewhere. Trump’s sharp attacks on his fellow GOP rivals will make capturing these voters difficult. For the moment, Ted Cruz seems more inviting to them. Back in November, after Trump had dominated the polls for so long, he should have made a strategic pivot to reach out to critics and take the high road. He waited until tonight to do so. His concession speech was terrific, with a perfect tone. “I love the people of Iowa,” Trump said as he graciously congratulated Ted Cruz. If Trump takes this new tack in the wake of Iowa, he just may win this yet. Read Latest Breaking News from http://Newsmax.com www.newsmax.com/Newsfront.../id/712280/#ixzz3z0b6AHEu Poster Comment: Happy Ground Hog Day.
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#87. To: Katniss (#74)
Trump is not married to a rapist. "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
I've done this twice and implicitly proven you wrong. Please respond to what I've posted. As to sources, you can do the rest. That's everyone's individual assignment in this world, to research one's own beliefs and basis for understanding. You are pissed and others are silent for one simple reason, namely that you're completely wrong on Trump and don't want to or can't admit it.
No, he's been divorced three times and is married to big money. Which is better for us?
The reasoning here is shamefully soft recently.
Odd, I get a "Suspicious Web Page Blocked" page when I clicked on the link you provided... Huh? You're the one who appears to be taking all this personally. Myself, I'm just trying to look at the big picture, and am certainly not getting all worked up over it. Which is better for us? Economics Vs Politics, hmmm, tough question. Should innovation and efficiency take a back seat to mob rule? Many people think so, I'm not one of them. "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Ok, so let's vote for a Clinton/McCain ticket, that's the answer. Those mushroom clouds will look lovely on the horizon. Not enough cowbells. "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
You're posting at light speed, so sorry if I don't see your post before I get a chance to read them (or vice versa). Those mushroom clouds will look lovely on the horizon. Wow, just wow! This place so has its head up its ass for Trump. If you ask me, if you wanted mushroom clouds then Trump's your man. He's even said so essentially. BTW, I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth about supporting anyone, much less Hillary. I can't stand any of 'em, they all filthy liars and narcissists and with the possible exception of Sanders are all bought and paid for in one form or another. Good to see though that so many here support the single biggest MIC advocate and IF-er in the line-up. Guess that doesn't render much credibility in speaking against those things in the future now, does it? Does it? G'night. I cannot add anymore. The emotionalism in favor of Trump here has surpassed any possible sense of reason and sense.
BTW, one last thing ... What did he say in that 45 second video clip? I don't see that you acknowledged it anywhere. Go ahead, put it in print for us all.
Or does it alarm and scare you? In terms of "kill a cop get the death penalty", it's pretty much the de facto rule as it is. Ask Christopher Dorner. But in terms of federal law, I don't think Congress has the authority to determine penalties for violations of state laws, such as rape or murder. And if you take into consideration the audience Trump was speaking to, they were police officers, so yep, he was pandering to them. Go ahead, put it in print for us all. You're in a super rush here tonight, eh? Are you on speed or something? Have you ever wondered why the tallest buildings within any US municipality are based on banking?
I'll give you a chance to calm down and gather your thoughts, and will get back to you over the weekend, one topic at a time, and not at a gattling gun rate. I've read through the many comments since your last post to me. Somehow, I comically picture us all on the Titanic as it's taking on water, and you are upset that some people are holding out a little hope of maybe getting rescued, as though that makes the ship sink faster or something. I mean, I think we both agree that we're screwed, but somehow, because we haven't given in to complete hopelessness, it's our fault that we're screwed. That's the message I seem to be getting from you. I guess you would say your message is something different and that I'm too dense to understand it. But I could easily say the same, as I don't think you're getting my message. I'm fortunate, I suppose, because my personal view of life makes politics and even worst case scenarios nothing to worry about, as it's just a small thing in comparison to what life is really all about. So it's much less a matter if you and I don't understand each other on a particular topic. It's instead more important that you know that this issue or misunderstanding is nothing worth bearing any ill-will toward you. So I wish you well and hope you hang out here on 4um. Best....
That's a nice reply, neil. To me it's sort of cute that folks in the know would hold out some sort of hope politically. Hope is a virtue, and to me it reveals a sort of innocence, naivete, a vulnerability, a good heart. I don't think we should have contempt or disdain for those who have hope. At the same time, I think katniss is seeing that those who usually don't trust politicians and quickly point out their rot, seem to give trump a pass on many issues. On this I agree because I see it too. However trump is not the most isreal first candidate. He has said several things which refute that claim. Including implying that Israel funds isis, that israel Doesnt want peace with palestine, that jews don't support him because he can't be bought, he cancelled his trip to see bibi, and several other things. I believe he knows all about 911. Some speculate that the reason he brought up the "celebrating folks in Jersey on 911" was actually a warning to the Jews to watch it. Plus, sorry to bring this up again, but when I shouted to him that jews were arrested and that israel did 911, he says I'm a committed trump guy, that I'm on his side. WTF kind of reply is that??? Lol. He could've said I'm an evil antisemite but did not. I think there is more to this guy than meets the eye and that he indeed is not as controlled as the rest of them.plus, I don't believe his ego would accept being scorned by his base if he betrays them on immigration, gun rights, trade policies, etc. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Twice and the current wife is a former model, not big money.
Honestly, Artisan, I would caution reading too much into Trump's response to that incident. Trump previously caught a bit of flak when a he commented that a heckler at one of his rallies should be roughed up, so his response to you, saying you were on his side, and his repeated comment to not hurt you, may well have been simply a response to that earlier mistake with someone else, and have nothing to do with what you said. On that note, relevant to the comments on this thread, it does seem Trump knows how say the right things to people to impress them. It's quite possible he's willing to stray quite far from what he actually believes to get the support he thinks he needs to to get elected. It does seem obvious the major media despises him, if his feud with Fox news is real, and that he knows how to get the populous fired up over his candidacy. I think we here on 4um and similar places have perhaps fantasized at one time or another about a rogue candidate that would do and say all the right things to get into office, and once they do, throw all of that away and do lots of wonderful, drastic things like shutting down lots of needless bureacracies, ending the WoD, end the world empire, cutting off all foreign aid, arresting and charging bankers on wall street, and so on. Maybe that's what Trump is, or maybe he's a rogue candidate of the opposite type who would instead further all the worst of the worst going on in the country. Since he's never actually held office, all we have to judge him by is what he has said, which is all Katniss who opposes Trump, as well as all who support Trump, can judge him by. One thing seems sure though. Trump doesn't need anyone's money, unlike Hillary who sees fit to accept $675,000 for 3 speeches to wall street, and millions more for however many other speeches (as though Hillary is some kind of economic genius that top wall street executives are eager to glean some monetary wisdom from). As a billionaire, Trump doesn't need anyone's money, so it is reasonable to suggest that Trump will not be chained to anyone in any place of power. At least financial power. Maybe he can be controlled through fame or some other means money cannot buy, but control through money seems quite unlikely in Trump's case. And that *IS* a valid basis to expect something different from Trump (good or bad), as just about every other politician in recent history has that weakness.
And we all know that Al Gore invented the internet - NOT! ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I was working a concert and found a 35 mm film container. I opened it and there was good weed in it. I didn't smoke it, so I sold it to someone for $20. It was maybe enough to make a few joints. Not sure what the going rate is these days, but the drugs used where I live now are much different from when I lived in Chicago. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Did you click??? --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur -------------------------------------------------------- (Sorry about this hideous illustration. Clearly being president is the most genocidal job too, so.....hmmm?)
I'm surprised you're tellable on this subject, but impressed you're making it your life's mission for the duration :-] --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur --------------------------------------------------------
Your last two posts on this thread are extremely cogent and civil; thank you. Regarding the notion that Trump, being a billionaire, can't be bought, and therefore gives some reason for hope: Hillary has reportedly been paid $125 million for speeches in the last 10-11 years, she had some windfall gains with shady trading deals years ago, and she and Bill have long been involved in all kinds of other lucrative and iniquitous dealings. So, economically, "her needs are met." I know that the rich are seldom satisfied -- they always want another dollar -- but she obviously has enough to live in the lap of luxury for the rest of her miserable life. Therefore, much like Trump, it could probably be said that "she doesn't need anyone's money". But that's not to say she couldn't be bought. I think she already has been.
Yes. Seems they are doing their bit.
Now tell me...... I've got to know, even though you're a member of this often irony- proof club..... did you detect a tone of sarcasm at all? --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur --------------------------------------------------------
Wait a minute -- have we ever heard a scripted Trump speech? Could be another promising factor if he doesn't use (UGGGHHHH!!!!) speechwriters. Eat your heart out, Peggy Noonan!!!! Sppechwriters are one of the worst plagues on us. Quite seriously and gravely, they should be banned. And a public that goes by candidates' superficial qualities (e.g. glibness) only deserves what it gets. --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur --------------------------------------------------------
and so far, Trump is the only person, including Ron Paul, who has been outspoken about the lies of 9/11. He is in NYC. He knows Silverstein. You can't tell me that he doesn't know the truth about the Bldg 7 demolition. Whether or not, he goes further with this is yet to be seen. He'd probably be assassinated if the PTB felt that he was serious about another investigation of 9/11.
sigh...it isn't a pass. damn, I don't know how else to explain as I have done countless times and so have others. We're at the freaking end. it's either Hillary or whomever wins the R nomination. I prefer to take a chance on the unknown of Trump vs the known of HRC for the reasons that you wrote in your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.
Sarcasm can be so unpleasant at times. Perhaps "gentle mocking" would better describe that piece. :-)
Those African buffalos have it right.
I don't doubt the numbers, but when someone pays you, particularly when it's big money like that, you have a debt to pay back to them, and it's not so easy to wash your hands of those past ties. If as president she reneged, she'd be in trouble. Trump, on the other hand, appears to have made his money without incurring such debts via "pre-bribes", and if so would go into the presidency without owing anybody anything.
Trump, on the other hand, appears to have made his money without incurring such debts via "pre-bribes", and if so would go into the presidency without owing anybody anything. Well said. After accepting all of that "pre-bribe" money, Hillary would have some definite obligations that would certainly be contra your and my best interests. And she would be far more susceptible to blackmail than someone who earned his money more legitimately.
Listen to Larry Nichols on Alex Jones 2/4/16 about Hillary. It's quite interesting and I can only hope that he's not murdered before he can expose HRC completely.
I already wrote that I understand, and that I think trump would be immeasurably better than mass-murderer criminal Clinton any day. I don't really care if people disagree about whatever, disagreement has never bothered me. i don't really give a shit who supports whom, and i don't even think the elections are honest anyway. I have many friends with ideas that fundamentally contradict mine. I don't freak out over it. big deal, you know? Just because we disagree doesn't mean they or I am bad people with bad intent. however, that said, its OK to admit that people give trump a pass on many things., because the truth is that THEY DO. if a neocon or dem wanted to register muslims and praise torture, and the patriot act, and say "freedom of speech is for foolish people," endorse bibi, etc., if any random hack said those things, theyd be condemned here. Trump gets a pass because, well, he's funny, sort of rogue, and people like him. Trump even said himself that he could go down to the blvd and shoot an innocent person and people would still support him. LMAO! I think That's FUNNY!! I think his campaign is endlessly entertaining. I am enjoying watching it. people give trump a pass on many things, including folks here. trump knows it, jokes about it, everyone knows it. What's the big deal to admit it?? p.s. I don't think 'we're at the end.' I've been hearing that doomsday shit since I was a kid, and I don't buy it. I know several people wo bought in to the doomsday stuff in the early 2000s after 9/11 and made very bad business decisions , they thought we'd be in 'fema camps' anyway, so instead of focusing on their careers and making money, loving their families, having fun, they listed to 'patriot conspiracy shows' and now are up a creek because they're broke. obsessing on endless gloomy scenarios, etc. I understand the keen interest in world affairs, commenting on it, being aware, opposing rot, etc, and I am like that too, theres nothing wrong with it. its interesting and important. but to always have that sense of doom, in my opinion, is not correct or productive. heck, as I'm very aware, any of us could be dead this hour anyway so any political doomsday is not too relevant since we all face possible death any day at every moment. that's my perspective and I don't mind of you or anyone disagrees, I wont be offended. :-) "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Mike Rivero mentioned last week that trump's small plane had engine trouble and had to make an emergency landing IN ARKANSAS. !!!! DID you hear about this? wild, scary sad stuff. I have not found that story anywhere yet, but it should be front page news worldwide. I think that anyone who does a pre-flight inspection should be required to fly on the plane with him. that should be a no compromise rule, lol. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
you need to learn more about the details of this incident to understand it. It was not a random comment to a heckler, and his policy is not in any way to "be kind to hecklers." Matter of fact, at that very same rally, trump said that the various protesters were "WEAK," to "get him out of here," that they're "doped up," and that they are "losers," etc. You can watch the full Michigan rally on youtube to hear his replies, 12/21/15. Those were all the people who were kicked out before and after me. He also again said some were weak for not putting up a fight when they are kicked out. He recently, only about one week ago, said to beat up anyone who started trouble, something about if someone were to throw a tomoato But me, he said "I'm on his side, a trump guy, I'm committed, have a lot of energy, and said that I'm ok, I could stay. Get it? then he stopped his 60 minute speech AGAIN, LATER, for another full minute, to watch as they escorted me out, and said 'don't hurt him, be nice to him" six times. Everyone heard what I said, Israel did 9/11, it was JEWS, not muslims, in response, he said "I'm a trump guy, I'm on his side," Trump knows all about 9/11 and was signaling it just like he has several other times. No candidate would ever say an Israel did 9/11 heckler was on their side, they would immediately condemn them as an evil anti-Semite. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I have no illusions about Trump, but tend to agree with Martisan. --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur --------------------------------------------------------
In case you missed it, there is my criticism of Trump on his position on torture. I still maintain that he's not getting a pass from me on the issues with which I disagree with him.
BTW, I'll bet you that not one person here, using facts, can articulate why Trump would be without question better than Hillary.
#88. To: FormerLurker (#84)
Again, please source your remarks.
#89. To: Dakmar (#87)
Trump is not married to a rapist.
#90. To: Dakmar (#87)
#91. To: Katniss (#82)
One of numerous credible sources
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#92. To: Katniss (#88)
You are pissed
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#93. To: Katniss (#89)
No, he's been divorced three times and is married to big money.
#94. To: Katniss (#86)
Is this warmonger4um now?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#95. To: Katniss (#90)
The reasoning here is shamefully soft recently.
#96. To: Katniss (#88)
I've done this twice and implicitly proven you wrong.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#97. To: FormerLurker (#94)
Ok, so let's vote for a Clinton/McCain ticket, that's the answer.
#98. To: FormerLurker (#96)
#99. To: Katniss (#83)
And BTW, do you agree with his sentiment?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#100. To: Katniss (#98)
I don't see that you acknowledged it anywhere.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#101. To: Horse (#35)
And your Banker could loan out $200. He created $180 in checking account money as a loan at interest. And he created that checking account money out of thin air.
#102. To: Katniss (#97)
G'night. I cannot add anymore. The emotionalism in favor of Trump here has surpassed any possible sense of reason and sense.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#103. To: Katniss (#98)
#104. To: Pinguinite, katniss, christine (#103)
#105. To: Katniss (#89)
No, he's been divorced three times and is married to big money.
#106. To: Artisan (#104)
#107. To: Pinguinite (#106)
#108. To: Fred Mertz (#68)
I don't do that stuff, but I'm willing to learn.
#109. To: Ada (#80)
The Stormer is celebrating Black History Month?
#110. To: Katniss (#75)
#111. To: Pinguinite (#106)
#112. To: NeoconsNailed (#109)
Did you click???
#113. To: Ada (#112)
#114. To: StraitGate (#111)
#115. To: Pinguinite (#106)
Maybe he can be controlled through fame or some other means money cannot buy, but control through money seems quite unlikely in Trump's case. And that *IS* a valid basis to expect something different from Trump (good or bad), as just about every other politician in recent history has that weakness.
#116. To: Artisan (#104)
(Edited)
At the same time, I think katniss is seeing that those who usually don't trust politicians and quickly point out their rot, seem to give trump a pass on many issues. On this I agree because I see it too.
#117. To: NeoconsNailed (#113)
Now tell me...... I've got to know, even though you're a member of this often irony- proof club..... did you detect a tone of sarcasm at all?
#118. To: NeoconsNailed (#113)
Only adult females vote.
#119. To: StraitGate (#111)
Hillary has reportedly been paid $125 million for speeches in the last 10-11 years, she had some windfall gains with shady trading deals years ago, and she and Bill have long been involved in all kinds of other lucrative and iniquitous dealings. So, economically, "her needs are met."
#120. To: Pinguinite (#119)
I don't doubt the numbers, but when someone pays you, particularly when it's big money like that, you have a debt to pay back to them, and it's not so easy to wash your hands of those past ties. If as president she reneged, she'd be in trouble.
#121. To: StraitGate (#120)
#122. To: christine (#116)
sigh...it isn't a pass. damn, I don't know how else to explain as I have done countless times and so have others.
#123. To: christine, lod, horse (#121)
#124. To: Pinguinite, horse, christine, neoconsnailed (#106)
Honestly, Artisan, I would caution reading too much into Trump's response to that incident. Trump previously caught a bit of flak when a he commented that a heckler at one of his rallies should be roughed up, so his response to you, saying you were on his side, and his repeated comment to not hurt you, may well have been simply a response to that earlier mistake with someone else, and have nothing to do with what you said.
#125. To: Artisan (#124)
#126. To: Artisan (#122)
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