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Title: Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa
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Published: Feb 2, 2016
Author: Christopher Ruddy
Post Date: 2016-02-02 06:24:40 by BTP Holdings
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Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa Image: Trump Defeated Himself in Iowa By Christopher Ruddy | Tuesday, 02 Feb 2016 12:04 AM Ted Cruz didn’t defeat Donald Trump Monday night in Iowa. Trump defeated himself. I have no doubt that polls showing Trump leading in Iowa – and across the nation – have been largely accurate. Trump is fresh, bold, brash and brave. His message is resonating with millions of Americans. In some ways, he could be starting a Great Awakening in American politics, paving the way for “outsiders” to finally have their voice heard in Washington. If Trump were elected president, it would be historic — the first “Citizen President.” Every president to date has been a politician or general. But Iowa underscores that Trump’s great strengths can turn into fatal weaknesses, and this phenomena will make his gaining the nomination difficult. Here’s why. Trump lost Iowa largely for one reason: he crushed Ben Carson. Remember the likable doctor who was leading in Iowa polls? Trump hit Dr. Ben hard, questioning his integrity and even his medical acumen. Trump, as we know, is a super-effective communicator. Perhaps the best communicator ever fielded in a GOP race. Trump used his verbal powers and eviscerated Carson. Carson’s poll numbers collapsed, his campaign staff quit and his fundraising machine ground to a halt. But it was a Pyrrhic victory for Trump because the Carson voters didn’t back him – they switched to Cruz! Poll numbers shows Cruz’s dramatic rise right after the Carson collapse. Trump effectively defeated Carson to elect Cruz. Had Carson remained higher in the polls, he would have become Cruz’s target, and the pair would have divided the evangelical vote, paving the way for an easy Trump win. The lesson of Iowa is this: Reagan’s 11th Commandment makes great political sense. Reagan’s directive famously said, “Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican.” The idea is that GOP rivals can and should vigorously disagree on policy matters – but personal attacks should be avoided at all costs. Reagan himself fought a bitter primary against Gerald Ford in 1976. But Reagan’s campaign was a battle for his ideas – never a personal attack on Ford. After Iowa, I have little doubt that Donald Trump will continue to lead the GOP field heading into New Hampshire’s primary. But Trump has to remember that as every candidate drops out – especially grassroots conservatives like Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, and Rick Santorum – their supporters have to go somewhere. Trump’s sharp attacks on his fellow GOP rivals will make capturing these voters difficult. For the moment, Ted Cruz seems more inviting to them. Back in November, after Trump had dominated the polls for so long, he should have made a strategic pivot to reach out to critics and take the high road. He waited until tonight to do so. His concession speech was terrific, with a perfect tone. “I love the people of Iowa,” Trump said as he graciously congratulated Ted Cruz. If Trump takes this new tack in the wake of Iowa, he just may win this yet. Read Latest Breaking News from http://Newsmax.com www.newsmax.com/Newsfront.../id/712280/#ixzz3z0b6AHEu Poster Comment: Happy Ground Hog Day.
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#43. To: Katniss (#42)
For what it's worth I get your points and made them all last year when i compiled the record on this open border, anti gun, zionist clown. For another example, trump says he will quote "repeal Obama care (he never says how he will do that) and "replace it with something else, something better'". The crowd cheers wildly for this. Like I said man, they're literally like retards. Number one, trump is admittedly not against centralized control of "health care." I wouldn't get too frustrated with it all, though I understand your frustration with seeing folks who are supposedly in the know who would balk if any other candidates said the exact same stupid deranged shit that trump says daily. The clencher is that he says a lot of good things,too. That is what he is skillful at. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
That's exactly right. He's also not against foreign wars. He's also not against the Fed or its rigged system. He's also not against corporate perks since he himself has availed himself of them way too many times to count. He's full-fledged IF-er. He's full-fledged MIC. But as you said above, the kicker is that he talks incessantly about what he's going to do. People admit that he's an "outsider," although most fail to accurately recognize that that's only as a politician, as a businessman he's hardly an outsider, he's pure establishmentarian. The frustration stems from people here that spout to the contrary 24/7/365 yet cannot see thru this blatant charade. To then turn around and criticize the rest of the nation for doing the same at different levels is hypocritical. As they say, get one's house in order before going on the speaking circuit with advice on how to do that.
First, I already stated that I do not welcome violence. And it's particularly unwelcome when levied against innocent people. So I'll restate that for the record. I want to be clear on that. Your points against Trump are very valid. But if you don't believe the election system works, if you believe any and every candidate who could get elected is obviously a poison to original American values & civil liberties, etc then what's your solution? Do you have one? I don't think you do. And I don't either. No one here does. And now you come close to criticizing me not because I welcome civil war, but because I predict it as an only possible path to breaking the establishment. And you criticize so many others here on 4um because they may lend more favor to Trump as though it might make a difference in who gets elected? Personally, I see disfavoring a candidate, as you do Trump, to be as useless as favoring any other candidate. So what's the big deal? What good does it do to criticize others here? My take: The USA is simply far too large. In a country with some 340 million people, one person's vote is trash. That's the way it is. The system is broken as it does not represent the will of the people or the states. Everyone would be better off if the country was broken up into about 6-8 different smaller countries. That way there would be less concentration of power and stronger local voices in how things should be. In a time when entertainment might be the only antidote to the state of affairs, I suggest you take things too seriously. Then again, you have kids. I don't. So that's a difference that would show our differences, too. My best, Katniss.
Again, you're missing my point(s) entirely, which I've explained now several times. Go read again. The issue has absolutely nothing to do with "solutions, candidates, (s)elections," etc. There are no solutions in politics, none whatsoever, particularly in our rigged system(s). For anyone that's missed it over the years, all that new selectees do is tack on more laws to the already exponentially absurd stack of laws that already exist and they rarely if ever, and never in the most critical ways, actually undo anything that their predecessor did. Rather, it has everything to do with people that apparently are being very easily duped right here, regular posters to this forum, that chastise and slam others, generically and at large, for doing the same exact things that they are now doing re: Trump, namely being duped by what IMO is the patently blatant. I can't make it any more clear than that. To me if that's what the discussion has deteriorated to here, as I've said, a pro-Trump 4um, then it's become useless for the exchange of info and ideas and no longer stands out in a world that desperately needs oases of reason. Read what I just wrote several times and my point should become quite clear. At this point this place may as well be a Trump 4um. That's not a good thing as it demonstrates the complete opposite of what this place originally stood for. If people cannot see that it's entirely because they're at least momentarily absorbed in the moment, just like the rest of the sheep out there.
It'll be gone on a few months anyway when the elections over so who cares? She only opened it back up temporarily, to be nice . If its that aggrivating to read the constant trump love then ditch the place. I actually think most posters here view trump as mere entertainment. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
This is key to our entire problem, and why many here see Trump as potentially a total change from the status quo. He might be wonderful, or he might be awful; but at least he'd be different from everyone that's been potus since JFK. We're ready to take that chance. There's really nothing to lose unless you like Hillary! or Rubio. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Well, not sure about most, don't know how many there are, but the reality is that a good number seem to be excited that Trump will bring change if elected. As to re-opening it temporarily, if this is what it has deteriorated to, may as well close it again. JMO
We are OVER, DONE FOR, DOWN THE DRAIN if Hillary or Sanders is selected. There will be nothing to talk about. In that scenario, I, for one, am checking out. At least with Trump, as Lod wrote, there's a chance for change for the better no matter how small and there will be a lot to talk about. Listen to Roger Stone on Alex Jones' show yesterday. I think he makes compelling points. 24 minutes in.
you don't have to stay if it/we are so distasteful to you.
exactly
very, very well stated, Neil. I agree.
We're already down the drain. No political person can help. But if Trump gets elected, tell me how things change, potentially and with reason, to alter what's now going on that is destroying us?
Listen to Roger Stone. He'll explain it to you much better than I could possibly type.
exactly That's not an argument. It's merely an emotional outburst. Again, I'd like one of the Trump supporters to tell me how they think that things will change to usher in something really different and hopeful. I'll be that not one person can articulate, with reason and basis, anything of the sort regarding the single biggest issues impacting us today. I've told Artisan that of all the candidates, the one to me that promises the biggest acceleration of the police state, it's Trump, based on his own words. I fail to see how that can possibly be the best scenario.
Is that your argument? Is that it? Mine is based entirely on Trump's own statements and positions. Not on what some political hack has to say.
I don't have time. Here it is in 5 words. It's either Trump or Hillary.
BTW, that's also precisely what I mean when I mention independent thinking. Seems like all of the support here is media soundbite driven with little if any actual analysis. Thus far not one person has been able to contradict and invalidate anything that I've pointed out about Trump, again, his own words, yet on the top-three topics that are sinking us faster than we ever could have imagined. Not one. Frankly, it's not possible since they're Trump's own words. Everyone here slams any IF-er. Except Trump. He's different for some inexplicable reason. Everyone here slams the police state. Except when Trump espouses it. Everyone here accurately recognizes the Fed and all of its spinoff institutions as the core of the issues in our country. But not when Trump validates them all. Seems to me those are the three single biggest issues of our day and yet Trump is on the wrong side of all three; National security, the Fed and the phony charade of an economy we have, and this nation's love for all things Zio & Israel, and Trump's a champion for all three. Does this seem sane to you? Seriously, does it seem sane?
Katniss, I've been reading this back and forth and can't seem to find where you've written what YOUR solution to our dilemma would be. Sure, neither Trump nor any other individual running for president is going to be the ultimate savior we'd like to see, but what exactly is the alternative? Out of all the candidates running, he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS. That's one thing in his favor that I found pretty important. Forget it. You've obviously missed something. You've also got it backwards. The entire point, and I've pointed this out at least five times in text that you claim to have read, is precisely that there is no political solution. That a majority of people here seem to believe that Trump is one. Read the post before this and address the facts. Let's discuss. Explain to me why anyone thinks that Trump will be different. So far all I've been able to get from any of his supporters here is to read the works of someone else that isn't even here.
yep.
That's one thing in his favor that I found pretty important. Pardon me? Apparently you missed his statement about building the military even larger and more powerful so that no one wants to mess with us. Serious question, and no sense in continuing unless you answer it. Do you see that statement as making sense? Do you think that a larger military is the solution to our problems? Trump has said that he wants to "bomb the shit out of ISIS?" Is that dignified and sane rhetoric to you? Do you believe that will fix things? Do you truly believe that ISIS is exactly what the media portrays it as? He says that Israel is our friend and he'll do whatever is necessary to protect them. Do you believe that? Do you think that's the "right path?" Do you agree with his "kill a cop and get the death penalty" statement? Yes or no? Let's discuss the specifics of issues against the backdrop of his statements instead of this montage of nonsense for anyone not drinking the Trump koolaid. So far all the Trump supporters here are avoiding the issues like the plague. I can see why, just sayin'. I mean if all we want is to feel good and go into ignorance is bliss mode, go buy weed.
I think Trump would do well as President. Partly because he is a Fascist. Surprised? Don't be. The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA itself is a CORPORATION according to the Act of 1871. ALL CAPS is how corporations are signified in the legal realm. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I strongly suspect it'll be Hillary, she's far more blackmail-able and therefore controllable. But let me ask you, what do you really think that the differences will be on the following issues? Israel: Which would have the better for us position? Fed: Which would have the better for us position? Police State/National Security Apparatus: Which do you think will have the better position? I see no difference and nothing changing either way, but Trump has already gone all-in on all three.
what you refuse to see or acknowledge in any way is that THERE IS NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TRUMP OR HILLARY. TRUMP IS THE ONLY MAN WHO CAN BEAT THAT BITCH. WE HAVE ALL STATED ON THIS THREAD JUST THAT, BUT YOU REFUSE TO "GET" THAT IT REALLY IS JUST THAT SIMPLE. AND, YES, I'M YELLING.
Where can I get some? And what's the going rate? I don't do that stuff, but I'm willing to learn.
Sanders is beating his chest for the War Party? Trump certainly is. Not sure where you're getting your news from. All he talks about is building a bigger military, as if that isn't a huge part of the problem, both economically as well as foreign policy wise. At least "before Trump" it always was as stated here by everyone. I guess now everyone here supports that, eh. ... along with the shameless support for Israel.
I don't do that stuff, but I'm willing to learn. Pretty much anywhere, just ask around. Particularly people employed in the restaurant industry. LOL Have no idea on rates.
WE HAVE ALL STATED ON THIS THREAD JUST THAT, BUT YOU REFUSE TO "GET" THAT IT REALLY IS JUST THAT SIMPLE. AND, YES, I'M YELLING. Again, facts, not emotionalism. Explain to me how this country will be better off with either? Let's start here, instead of getting all whooped up and emotionally charged, take a deep breath and tell me in your own words, what the three to five single biggest issues that this country faces are? What are they? Shouldn't take you but a minute.
Suggestion? Time from this futile Trump scrap and take in this hilariously right-on short talk www.dailystormer.com/arya...rations-black-innovation/ It's that irresistably hoity-toity Brit! --------------------------------------------------------- NN Sequitur --------------------------------------------------------
I want to engage some people here on actual facts on Trump and not on pure
emotionalism as has been going on. Trump caters to peoples' emotional side
and successfully. Much as it was post 911. In fact, the similarities are
alarming as then it led us into support for the Patriot Act, the single biggest
modern act of the destruction of our liberty giving the government carte blanche
permission to do at it pleases in terms of protecting its own interests in the
name of national security.
BTW, I'll bet you that not one person here, using facts, can articulate why Trump would be without question better than Hillary. Hillary would be nothing but the wooden head that she's supposed to be. Trump would likely be far worse if his own words are to be believed. If they're not to be believed, then he's an empty suit too. Frankly, and answer this, but we always talk here about how our presidents take orders from the ZOG/ZOE, right? So what, that's now no longer the case? Because if it is, then Hillary cannot possibly be any worse than Trump who's on record as being all-in for the ZOG/ZOE! And yes, now I'm yelling. In other words, he's told us that he's all in for Israel, the MIC, our current economic system implicitly, and people here applaud and support that. LMAO Seriously? F'ing seriously?
BTW, I've made numerous posts now asking for people to engage using facts, and notice, not one taker. Not one. Here, at 4um. What does that tell us? I know what it tells me.
So your solution is that there is no solution. Got it. Explain to me why anyone thinks that Trump will be different It's good to have hope. And as I've said, he's the only one who doesn't appear to have a trigger finger itching for the chance to deliver thermonuclear hell to the human race. Apparently you missed his statement about building the military even larger and more powerful so that no one wants to mess with us. Building a defensive capability is not the same as starting wars with every nation on earth. Eliminating the waste and fraud in the MIC (how many trillions can't they account for, how many epic failures have they dumped terrabucks into such as the F-35, etc.), and eliminating policies which support and fund terrorists such as ISIS would be a good start. Trump has said that he wants to "bomb the shit out of ISIS?" Didn't he say let RUSSIA "bomb the shit" out of ISIS? Source? Source? The Stormer is celebrating Black History Month?
Oh, you mean how he'd like Saudi Arabia to "fight ISIS", being that Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar pretty much ARE ISIS? Or how he approves of punishing Russia for the US backed overthrow of the Ukraine government and the massacre of civilians by the new government? From Bernie Sanders on the Issues Mr. Sanders has supported President Obama’s use of sanctions to punish Russia for its policies toward Ukraine, and he similarly backs Mr. Obama’s efforts to strike a deal with Iran over its nuclear program. Source? I see the problem here, you need to do more of your own research. This is a freebie. I'm not going to do your homework for you, I have my own pursuits. Most of it I picked up via links here though. One of numerous credible sources You can do your own research on the rest. Google works wonders.
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#44. To: Artisan (#43)
Number one, trump is admittedly not against centralized control of "health care."
I wouldn't get too frustrated with it all, though I understand your frustration with seeing folks who are supposedly in the know who would balk if any other candidates said the exact same stupid deranged shit that trump says daily. The clencher is that he says a lot of good things,too. That is what he is skillful at.
#45. To: Katniss (#42)
#46. To: Pinguinite (#45)
Your points against Trump are very valid. But if you don't believe the election system works, if you believe any and every candidate who could get elected is obviously a poison to original American values & civil liberties, etc then what's your solution? Do you have one?
#47. To: Katniss (#46)
At this point this place may as well be a Trump 4um. That's not a good thing as it demonstrates the complete opposite of what this place originally stood for.
#48. To: Katniss (#46)
The issue has absolutely nothing to do with "solutions, candidates, (s)elections," etc. There are no solutions in politics, none whatsoever, particularly in our rigged system(s). For anyone that's missed it over the years, all that new selectees do is tack on more laws to the already exponentially absurd stack of laws that already exist and they rarely if ever, and never in the most critical ways, actually undo anything that their predecessor did.
#49. To: Artisan (#47)
I actually think most posters here view trump as mere entertainment.
#50. To: Artisan, Katniss (#47)
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#51. To: Katniss (#49)
#52. To: Lod (#48)
There's really nothing to lose unless you like Hillary! or Rubio.
#53. To: Pinguinite (#45)
#54. To: christine (#50)
#55. To: Katniss (#54)
#56. To: christine (#52)
There's really nothing to lose unless you like Hillary! or Rubio.
#57. To: christine (#55)
Listen to Roger Stone. He'll explain it to you much better than I could possibly type.
#58. To: Katniss (#57)
#59. To: christine (#55)
#60. To: Katniss (#54)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#61. To: Katniss (#59)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#62. To: FormerLurker (#60)
#63. To: FormerLurker (#60)
#64. To: FormerLurker (#61)
Out of all the candidates running, he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS.
#65. To: FormerLurker (#61)
he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS.
#66. To: christine (#58)
I don't have time. Here it is in 5 words. It's either Trump or Hillary.
#67. To: Katniss (#59)
#68. To: Katniss (#64)
...go buy weed.
#69. To: FormerLurker (#61)
Out of all the candidates running, he's the only one who isn't beating his chest about starting WWIII and says he'll work with Putin to eradicate ISIS.
#70. To: Fred Mertz (#68)
Where can I get some? And what's the going rate?
#71. To: christine (#67)
what you refuse to see or acknowledge in any way is that THERE IS NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TRUMP OR HILLARY. TRUMP IS THE ONLY MAN WHO CAN BEAT THAT BITCH.
#72. To: All (#68)
#73. To: NeoconsNailed (#72)
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#74. To: NeoconsNailed (#72)
#75. To: NeoconsNailed (#72)
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#76. To: Katniss (#62)
Forget it. You've obviously missed something.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#77. To: Katniss (#64)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#78. To: Katniss (#64)
He says that Israel is our friend and he'll do whatever is necessary to protect them. Do you believe that? Do you think that's the "right path?"
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#79. To: Katniss (#64)
Do you agree with his "kill a cop and get the death penalty" statement? Yes or no?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#80. To: NeoconsNailed (#72)
#81. To: Katniss (#69)
Sanders is beating his chest for the War Party?
He says the fight against the Islamic State should be undertaken by countries like Saudi Arabia, which borders Iraq and, he argues, has the financial and military resources to fight the extremist group.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#82. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Do you agree with his "kill a cop and get the death penalty" statement? Yes or no?
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