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Title: Hezbollah WMD Attacks Inside US Cities?
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Published: Feb 7, 2006
Author: Patrick B. Briley
Post Date: 2006-02-07 20:21:01 by OKCSubmariner
Keywords: Hezbollah, Attacks, Cities?
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Copyright 2006 by Patrick B. Briley Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad recently pledged in late 2005 to use Iran's weapons capabilities to "wipe Israel off the map" and to "DESTROY AMERICA." Iran's hardliner 'sees the light'. Iran’s pledge to destroy America was not made as a bluff or just because the US has led world nations against Iran’s nuclear weapon program. AlQaeda and Hezbollah terrorist group leaders aligned with Iran and Syria have also made recent threats against the US. Bin Laden’s last tape warned in January 2006 of attacking, bleeding the US economy and destroying the US if the US does not agree to the terms of Laden’s Islamic truce. The Hezbollah international terror group leader, Hasan Nasrallah, made a speech on Hezbollah’s Al Manar Television immediately after 9/11 warning that America's day of judgment would come. Bashar Assad, the Syrian leader of Iran’s military ally, also has made threats against the US. Syria Threatens US with Military Retaliation Iran's President Ahmedinejad just attended a terror summit in January 2006 hosted by Syria's leader Assad. Iran, Syria, Bin Laden and Nasrallah may well soon try to deliver on their threats by attacking US cities with WMDS delivered by AlQaeda and Iranian and Syrian backed Hezbollah terrorists. Syria has been helping Iran arm Hezbollah. The Islamic terror organizations, AlQaeda and Hezbollah have forged global operational alliances with each other as well as with Iran and Syria. The Egyptian FBI informant Ali Mohammed organized and provided security for the summit meeting in Sudan between Bin Laden and the Hezbollah terror chief Mughniyah, responsible for the killing of 243 Marines killed in the bombing of their Beirut barracks in 1983. Mugniyeh was also responsible with Hezbollah for the bombings of US and French embassies, and Israeli consulates and synagogues in Argentina. Al Qaidah’s links to Iran and Hizbollah Leaders from Hezbollah met with Hamas, Islamic Jihad and top AlQaeda leaders such as Dr. Ayman Zawahiri at two terror summits in Baghdad in December 2000 and February 2001 to amalgamate and collaborate. Both AlQaeda and Hezbollah have the capability to conduct surveillance in the US in major US cities. In 2004 the FBI nabbed an Iranian surveillance team while the FBI was watching Israeli consulates in LA, Atlanta and Houston. Close ties have been set up by Iranian officials between Iranian intelligence, AlQaeda and Hezbollah inside Iraq and around the world. Like AlQaeda, Hezbollah surveillance teams have been picked up when operating in Western Europe for Iran. FBI Catches Iranian Surveillance Teams Red-handed Syria and Iran have their own advanced nuclear and WMD programs. The London-based Jane's Defense Weekly recently reported that Iran and Syria signed a strategic accord meant to protect either country from international pressure regarding their weapons programs. Syria agreed to store Iranian nuclear and WMD materials and weapons if Teheran came under United Nations sanctions. Report: Syria agrees to hide Iran weapons Syria and Iran have also been the recipients of Pakistan’s (A.Q. KHAN) and Iraq’s WMD research and materials including biological and chemical weapons as well as plutonium that can be used to make dirty radiological bombs. Russia Moved Iraqi WMD Iran and Syria have been harboring, plotting with, and training Hezbollah and AlQaeda terrorists in the use of missiles, sabotage and likely WMDS in the Bekka Valley of Lebanon. See Iran Continues to train, arm Hezbollah and Bush Again Accuses Iran and Syria of Harboring Terrorists Hezbollah and AlQaeda are believed to have access to Iranian and Syrian developed WMDS as well as Iraqi WMD materials stored in Iran and in Lebanon’s Bekka valley. AlQaeda and Hebollah are also believed to be sharing their acquisitions and training expertise in the use of WMDS Hezbollah preparing chemical weapons? CIA Director George Tenet testified before Congress February 24, 2004 that Hezbollah has an extensive network of operatives on American soil and an “ongoing capability to launch terrorist attacks within the US.” This capability would include delivery and use of WMDS in major US cities. According to former Florida Senator Bob Graham of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Hezbollah has 300-400 well-trained and KNOWN terror agents inside the US. Former Deputy Secretary of State Dick Armitage has described Hezbollah as the “A-team” of terrorists, with AlQaeda being on the “B team”. Terrorists at the Gates Yet in his most recent appearance before Congress, National Intelligence Director, John Negroponte, significantly left out mention of Hezbollah and instead emphasized that the AlQaeda terror network remains the “top concern” of the U.S. intelligence community. He did mention the nuclear activities of Iran and North Korea but said that Iran probably does not yet have nuclear weapons, nor the fissile material needed for producing them. Negroponte calls al-Qaeda, Iraq and North Korea top U.S. concerns Negroponte may have left out mention of Hezbollah because of the political influence of a close Bush family friend and large contributor strongly loyal and representing Hezbollah, namely Lebanese billionaire Issam Fares. Hezbollah has friend close to White House Fares has very close financial and personal ties to the Bush administration and used his influence to push for the dropping of Hezbollah from the US terrorist list Nov. 10, 2001. Colin Powell and his close benefactor friend, Issam Fares, have called Islamic terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah freedom fighters against Israel. He has paid 4 and 5 figure speaking fees and made very large political donations to HW Bush, former Secretaries of State James Baker and Colin Powell, and other members of the GW Bush administration. But Fares, the deputy prime minister of Lebanon, is also a close associate of Maj. General Ghazi Kanaan. Kanaan is the head of Syrian intelligence in Lebanon and he controls narcotics production and trafficking in the Bekka Valley where Hezbollah and Syria maintain WMDS from Iraq, Syria and Iran. Negroponte also avoided publicly presenting the fact that Hezbollah and Iran have had significant access to plutonium (for over two years) and detailed, sophisticated nuclear bomb plans as described by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). See Iran's Plutonium use dates back to 2003 and U.S. fears North Korea-Iran plutonium deal as well as Iran Said to Have Nuclear Warhead plans Negroponte’s estimate about Iran’s nuclear bomb capabilities may also have been very wrong because Negroponte did not want to reveal that the Bush administration and EU blundered in negotiations with Iran over enriching uranium. See Iranians Retain Plutonium Plan In Nuclear Deal and EU to Iran: Plutonium's OK for Now The US and EU intentionally and foolishly allowed Iran to continue pursuing its plutonium production and processing capabilities. Along with the bomb plans that Iran is now known to possess, plutonium can be used to build a more powerful lighter, nuclear bomb with less enriched uranium. This means that Iran may now have a nuclear bomb or is much closer to making a nuclear bomb than what Negroponte is publicly saying. Furthermore, a smaller, lighter nuclear warhead made with plutonium would further extend the range of Iran’s ballistic missiles to be able to hit targets in Europe and Israel. But what is of even more immediate alarm is that Negroponte did not discuss the likelihood that Iran could have given Iranian plutonium to Hezbollah and AlQaeda terrorists to build very effective, small and well shielded, dirty radiological and toxic bombs to be delivered and detonated in major US cities by well established and long standing KNOWN Hezbollah cells. If well designed dirty radiological and toxic bombs made with plutonium were detonated (even if dispersed over relatively small areas –a few square blocks, etc) in major US financial, agricultural, energy, water, transportation (ports, roads) or industrial centers or facilities, it would be a crippling blow to the US economy because these centers would not just have to be evacuated, they would have to be abandoned for years until and unless very costly and time consuming cleanup efforts were made. The bomb grade plutonium 239 and 240 radioisotopes have half-lives of over 24,000 years and 6,500 years respectively. Ingested or inhaled in small quantities (micrograms) plutonium can cause long term and serious organ cancers. In larger quantities (grams) plutonium can not only cause radiation sickness and death, but it is also very chemically toxic. Other radioisotopes of Cesium known to be in the hands of Iran, Syria, AlQaeda and Hezbollah can also be used with plutonium to make deadly and hard to clean up dirty bombs. The fact that plutonium is so hard to clean up and is harmful in such small quantities means that numerous small dirty bombs can be built, shielded, transported and detonated in US cities before detection. AlQaeda and Hezbollah may also be collaborating to transport and detonate two plutonium-fueled suitcase nukes obtained by AlQaeda and possibly brought into the US. These suitcase nukes can be detonated by a triggering mechanism activated by a clock or by a call from a cell phone. Intelligence reports based on captured leaders and documents reveal that Al-Qaeda is targeting nine U.S. cities with the highest Jewish populations for attack with suitcase nukes and/or multiple dirty and toxic plutonium type radiological bombs. The FBI has been monitoring radiation levels using CIA developed detection equipment (specifically designed to look for plutonium based nuclear devices) at more than 100 mosques, homes, businesses and other sites in and around at least six of these cities. This is another indication that law enforcement and intelligence agency officials suspect Hezbollah and AlQaeda have brought nuclear or radiological weapons inside the US. Unfortunately, plutonium based dirty radiological bombs can be made transportable and undetectable with shielding and yet powerful enough to be effective especially when multiple ones can be used at the same time. See AMERICAN HIROSHIMA: The search for nukes and How to Listen for the Sound of Plutonium Every one of the nine US cities mentioned in intelligence reports has a large, strong well-established Hezbollah group sponsored by Iran and Syria, even though not all the cities have an AlQaeda presence. Hezbollah has had a strong, entrenched organization for over twenty years in most major US and Canadian cities like LA, San Francisco, Chicago, Detroit, New York City, Seattle, Portland, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas, Miami, Boston, Washington, D.C, Montreal, Quebec, Toronto, Vancouver, etc. Hezbollah has backing and funding from Saudi Wahhabists, Russia and the Communist Chinese. Hezbollah now closely works with Hamas, AlQaeda, and Islamic Jihad terror groups around the world and inside the US. Saudi radiological bomb expert and terrorist Adnan Shukrijumah and his trainees are still at large and have had the operational support of Hezbollah and AlQaeda cells and Saudi Wahhabbists in these cities as they have moved in and out of the US via Mexico and Canada. Shukrijumah was trained by AlQaeda master bomb maker Abu al-Masri and, like Jose Padilla, was sent into the US by Khalid Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Adnan is also an accomplished pilot and visited the Norman Airman flight school where Khalid Mohammed also sent 9/11 hijackers Mohammed Atta, AlShehhi, AlHazmi, and Moussaoui. It is very likely that Adnan could train Hezbollah and AlQaeda terrorists in how to transport (even by plane), plant and detonate dirty radiological and suitcase nuke bomb inside US cities. Bin Laden sought and received a fatwah ruling from Muslim clerics in 2005 for Islamic religious permission to detonate nuclear devices inside the US. The Quran requires bin Laden’s offer of a truce before Bin Laden can carry out the fatwah to use nuclear weapons in the US. To maintain support from more moderate Muslims in the streets around the world, Bin Laden would be more likely to hit a sin city (gays and film industry) like San Francisco that also has a large Jewish population. AlQaeda has also gone back after missed targets like the Trans America Building in San Francisco repeatedly until they succeed, especially since it is a financial center that Laden would want to destroy to bleed the US economy as strongly implied in his last warning tape to America. Iran and Syria has said that if Israel or the US attacks Iranian or Syrian WMD (nuclear, chemical and/or biological) facilities, Iran and Syria will retaliate against the US. Many have thought the Iranian and Syrian retaliation would be limited to US interests in Iraq, the Middle East and perhaps Europe. What has been publicly overlooked is the fact that Iran and Syria could and would use their international proxy terror organization Hezbollah to launch WMD attacks, chemical, biological and nuclear, against US cities. As demonstrated in this article, Hezbollah has a solid capability to attack US cities with WMDS including suitcase nukes and dirty radiological bombs with or without the participation of AlQaeda. Hezbollah does not need Bin Laden’s fatwah and religious ruling to retaliate against US cities for Iran and Syria but Hezbollah may well receive AlQaeda’s help anyway. The window of opportunity for the US and Israel to attack Iran’s and Syria’s WMD and nuclear facilities becomes more problematic by August 2006 when the Russians will have completed advanced air defense missile batteries to protect the facilities. Putin’s Plan for Conflict with Iran There are more than ten major Iranian and Syrian WMD and nuclear facilities that are deep underground and hardened to withstand bombardment. Recall that Syria has agreed to store Iranian WMD and nuclear materials and weapons. It may well take US nuclear bunker busting bombs dropped from Stealth bombers at high altitude to destroy the Iranian and Syrian facilities. The use of US nuclear bunker busting bombs would be a further excuse used by Iran and Syria to justify to Muslims the unleashing of Hezbollah and possibly AlQaeda WMD and nuclear attacks in US cities. Copyright 2006 by Patrick B. Briley
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#1. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
And knowing what you do about the CIA, you believe Tenet? Have you ever watched the documentary, The Power of Nightmares?
We have so many nuclear detectors in this country that people who get barium treatments end up setting them off and being tagged and followed by government agents. The only nukes that are going to go off here will be ones planted by special interests with the tacit permission of our government.
CIA Director George Tenet testified before Congress February 24, 2004 that Hezbollah has an extensive network of operatives on American soil and an “ongoing capability to launch terrorist attacks within the US.”
#2. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
 | Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#3. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
Agree.
We have so many nuclear detectors in this country that people who get barium treatments end up setting them off and being tagged and followed by government agents. The only nukes that are going to go off here will be ones planted by special interests with the tacit permission of our government.
#4. To: robin, christine, Sparker, swarthyguy, aristeides, Fred Mertz, honway, Neil McIver, scooter, TommytheMadArtist, Uncle Bill, Itisa1mosttoolate, valis, lodwick, Zipporah (#0)
The police state CFR and Bush administration are not telling the American people enough about the considerable Hezbollah threat inside the US that includes delivery of conventional explosives and WMDS inside US cities. A successful Hezbollah attack in the US would be the excuse the Bush adminstation would use to initate martial law, more domestic spying, greater loss of civil liberties as well as punishment of their political critics. Greater public awareness of the Hezbollah presence and capabilties for an attack can make such an attack less likely or less effective. We need a Minuteman project inside the US to watch for terrorists in American cities that the FBI and Negroponte are allowing to roam free and not adequately giving enough details to the Ameican public. It is almsot if the Bush administration is involved in terror blackmail and permitting situations to lead to terror attacks when they could instead do more in the US to forestall terror attacks and inform the public more and utilize the public more without taking more of their freedoms or privacy.
#5. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
Eeeeek!
Hezbollah WMD Attacks Inside US Cities?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
#6. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
It's pronounced nu-ku-lar, quit stealing cocaine from your boss. :)
We have so many nuclear detectors in this country that people who get barium treatments end up setting them off and being tagged and followed by government agents. The only nukes that are going to go off here will be ones planted by special interests with the tacit permission of our government.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
#7. To: Zipporah, christine, robin, Uncle Bill, Sparker (#1)
You can take this from me personally (you do not have to rely on Tenet or Negroponte): Hezbollah has a far greater and well established presence and capability inside the US than AlQaeda. I base this on 11 years of personal investigation that has included work with Pentagon and Congressional experts (not loyal to Clinton or Bush), attorneys as well as my own contact with Iranians associated with Hezbollah in the US. Hezbollah has had a considerable presence in OKC for well over 15 years.
#8. To: OKCSubmariner (#4)
If Hezbollah is here in numbers, they work for the Bush Cabal!
#9. To: OKCSubmariner (#4)
What do you mean terror blackmail?
It is almsot if the Bush administration is involved in terror blackmail and permitting situations to lead to terror attacks when they could instead do more in the US to forestall terror attacks and inform the public more and utilize the public more without taking more of their freedoms or privacy.
#10. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
We don't need Bin-Laden to do this, Bush is already doing it quite well.
Bin Laden’s last tape warned in January 2006 of attacking, bleeding the US economy and destroying the US if the US does not agree to the terms of Laden’s Islamic truce.
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#11. To: SKYDRIFTER (#8)
Celebrate Diversity, man, it's good for you. Where can we find some good old fashioned barbarians to move into high-rise housing projects in the Kennebunkport area? I'm envisiosioning Hyannisport area as an open air day labor market that doubles as a campground. Call FEMA, suggest other good sites for detention camps.
If Hezbollah is here in numbers, they work for the Bush Cabal!
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
#12. To: OKCSubmariner (#4)
They are telling us, Pat. They've been telling us that the country will be attacked again. They know because they're the ones who will do it. They want to institute martial law. That's been the plan all along. That's the reason they did 911 (The New Pearl Harbor). Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 Updated Edition with a New Afterword by David Ray Griffin Foreword by Richard Falk This second edition contains a 30-page Afterword with additional material on the alleged hijackers, controlled demolition of the WTC, Sibel Edmonds, and the 9/11 Commission, plus a discussion of whether Standard Operating Procedures had been changed in June 2001. "It will be painful, and disturbing, to turn the pages of this thoughtful and meticulously researched book. But turn we must. For we owe the truth to those who died, and nothing less." — Colleen Kelly, sister of Bill Kelly, Jr., who was killed in the North Tower of the World Trade Center on 9/11, and Co-Founder of September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. From a skeptical vantage-point, but also taking to heart the classic idea that those who benefit from a crime ought to at least be investigated, Griffin, an eminent philosopher and theologian, brings together an account of the national tragedy that is far more logical than the one we've been asked to believe. Gathering stories from the mainstream press, reports from other countries, the work of other researchers, and the contradictory words of members of the Bush administration themselves, Griffin presents a case that leaves very little doubt that the attacks of 9/11 need to be further investigated. The disturbing questions emerge from every part of the story, from every angle, until it is impossible not to seriously doubt the official story, and suspect its architects of enormous deception. Long a teacher of ethics and systematic theology, Griffin writes with compelling and passionate logic, urging readers to draw their own conclusions from the evidence outlined. The New Pearl Harbor rings with the conviction that it is possible, even today, to search for the truth; it is a stirring call that we demand a real investigation into what happened on 9/11. David Ray Griffin has been a professor of philosophy of religion and theology at the Claremont School of Theology in California for over 30 years. He is co- director of the Center for Process Studies there and the author or editor of over 20 books.
The police state CFR and Bush administration are not telling the American people enough about the considerable Hezbollah threat inside the US that includes delivery of conventional explosives and WMDS inside US cities.
#13. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
Juggernaut Gathering Momentum, Headed for Iran What President George W. Bush, FOX news, and the Washington Times were saying about Iraq three years ago they are now saying about Iran. After Saturday's vote by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to report Iran's suspicious nuclear activities to the UN Security Council, the president wasted no time in warning, "The world will not permit the Iranian regime to gain nuclear weapons." The next IAEA milestone will be reached on March 6, when its director, Mohamed ElBaradei, makes a formal report to the Security Council regarding what steps Iran needs to take to allay growing suspicions. The Bush administration, however, has already mounted a full-court press to indict and convict the Iranian leaders, and the key question is why. Iran signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty and insists (correctly) that the treaty assures signatories the right to pursue nuclear programs for peaceful use. And when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice claims, as she did last month, "There is simply no peaceful rationale for the Iranian regime to resume uranium enrichment," she is being, well, disingenuous again. If Dr. Rice has done her homework, she is aware that in 1975 President Gerald Ford's chief of staff Dick Cheney and his defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld bought Iran's argument that it needed a nuclear program to meet future energy requirements. This is what Iranian officials are saying today, and they are supported by energy experts who point out that oil extraction in Iran is already at or near peak and that the country will need alternatives to oil in coming decades. Ironically, Cheney and Rumsfeld were among those persuading the reluctant Ford in 1976 to approve offering Iran a deal for nuclear reprocessing facilities that would have brought at least $6.4 billion for US corporations like Westinghouse and General Electric. The project fell through when the Shah was ousted three years later. It is altogether reasonable to expect that Iran's leaders want to have a nuclear weapons capability as well, and that they plan to use their nuclear program to acquire one. From their perspective, they would be fools not to. Iran is one of three countries earning the "axis-of-evil" sobriquet from President Bush and it has watched what happened to Iraq, which had no nuclear weapons, as well as what did not happen to North Korea, which does have them. And Iran's rival Israel, which has not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty but somehow escapes widespread opprobrium, has a formidable nuclear arsenal cum delivery systems. Israeli threats to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities simply provide additional incentive to Tehran to bury and harden them against the kind of Israeli air attack that destroyed the Iraqi nuclear facility at Osirak in 1981. Although the US (together with every other UN Security Council member) condemned that attack, Dick Cheney and other senior officials do not disguise their view that it was just what the doctor ordered at the time ... and that the same prescription might take care of Iran. Who Is Threatened by Iranian Nukes? The same country that felt threatened by putative nuclear weapons in the hands of Iraq. With at least 200 nuclear weapons and various modes of delivery at their disposal, the Israelis have a powerful deterrent. They appear determined to put that deterrent into play early to pre-empt any nuclear weapons capability in Iran, rather than have to deal with one after it has been put in place. Israeli leaders seem allergic to the thought that other countries in the region might be able to break its nuclear monopoly and they react neuralgically to proposals for a nuclear-free zone in the Middle East. Bending over backwards to such sensitivities, the US delegation to the IAEA delayed the proceedings for a day in a futile attempt to delete from Sunday's report language calling for such a zone. The final report called for a "Middle East free of weapons of mass destruction." This is the first time a link has been made, however implicitly, between the Iranian and Israeli nuclear programs. The argument that the US is also threatened directly by nuclear weapons in Iranian hands is as far-fetched as was the case before the war in Iraq, when co- opted intelligence analysts were strongly encouraged to stretch their imaginations - to include, for example the specter that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction could be delivered by unpiloted aerial vehicles (UAVs) launched from ships off the US coast. No, I'm not kidding. They even included this in the infamous National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) of October 1, 2002. That canard was held up to ridicule by the US Air Force, which was permitted to take a footnote in the NIE. The scare story nonetheless provided grist for the president's key speech in Cincinnati on October 7, 2002 - three days before Congress voted to authorize war. That was also the speech in which he also warned, "Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun - that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." While Congress was voting for war on October 10, more candid observations came in highly unusual remarks from a source with excellent access to high-level thinking at the White House. Philip Zelikow, at the time a member of the prestigious President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and confidant of then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice (and later Executive Director of the 9/11 commission), said this to a crowd at the University of Virginia: Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat is and actually has been since 1990 - it's the threat against Israel. And this is the threat that dare not speak its name ... the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell. More recently, in the case of Iran, President Bush has been unabashed in naming Israel as the most probable target of any Iranian nuclear weapons. He has also created a rhetorical lash-up of the US and Israel, referring three times in the past two weeks to Israel as an "ally" of the US, as if to condition Americans to the notion that the US is required to join Israel in any confrontation with Iran. For example, on February 1 the president told the press, "Israel is a solid ally of the United States; we will rise to Israel's defense if need be." Asked if he meant the US would rise to Israel's defense militarily, Bush replied with a startlingly open-ended commitment, "You bet, we'll defend Israel." In repeatedly labeling Israel our "ally," Bush is following his own corollary to the dictum of Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels that if you repeat something often enough, most people will believe it. In an unusual moment of candor in a discussion of domestic affairs last May, Bush noted: That's the third time I've said that. I'll probably say it three more times. See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. Why No Treaty? The trouble is that, strictly speaking, allies are not picked by presidential whim - or by smart staffers like the top Bush aide who bragged that he and his colleagues are "history's actors ... creating new realities." Bush's speech writers are acting as though the "new realities" they create can include defense treaties. But unless they've changed the Constitution, in our system nations become allies via treaty; and treaties have to be approved by a two- thirds vote of the Senate. There is no treaty of alliance with Israel. But why? Earlier, I had had the impression that it must be because of US reluctance - despite widespread sympathy for Israel - to get entangled in the complexities of the Middle East and gratuitously antagonize Arab countries. Comparing notes with Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) colleagues with more experience in the Middle East, however, I learned that the Israelis themselves have shown strong resistance to a US-Israel defense treaty - for reasons quite sound from their perspective, and quite instructive from ours. The possibility of a bilateral treaty was broached after the 1973 Yom Kippur war as a way to reduce chances of armed conflict between Israel and its Arab neighbors. But before the US could commit to defending Israel, its boundaries would have had to be defined, and the Israelis wanted no part of that. Moreover, the Israelis feared that a defense pact would curb their freedom of action - as would signing the Non-Proliferation Treaty. They were aware that in a crisis situation, the US would almost certainly discourage them from resorting to their familiar policy of massive - often disproportionate - retaliation against the Arabs. It became quite clear that the Israelis did not want the US to have any say over when they would use force, against whom, and what (US or non-US) equipment might be employed. Aside from all that, the Israelis were, and are, confident that their influence in Washington is such as to ensure US support, no matter what. And, as President Bush's rhetoric demonstrates, they are correct in thinking they can, in effect, have their cake and eat it too - a commitment equivalent to a defense treaty, with no binding undertakings on Israel's part. That is a very volatile admixture. Congress would do well to wake up to its Constitutional prerogatives and responsibilities in this key area - particularly now that the juggernaut to war has begun to roll. Preparing the Public One major task is to convince the public and, as far as possible, our allies that the Iran-nuclear problem is critical. This would be an uphill task, were it not for the success of our domesticated media in suppressing the considered judgment of the US intelligence community that Iran is nowhere near a nuclear weapon. Washington Post reporter Dafna Linzer, to her credit, drew on several inside sources to report on August 2, 2005, that the latest NIE concludes Iran will not be able to produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon until "early to mid-next decade," with general consensus among intelligence analysts that 2015 would actually be the earliest. That important information was ignored in other media and quickly dropped off the radar screen. In the Washington of today there is no need to bother with unwelcome intelligence that does not support the case you wish to make. Polls show that hyped-up public statements on the threat from Iran are having some effect, and indiscriminately hawkish pronouncements by usual suspects like senators Joseph Lieberman and John McCain are icing on the cake. Ahmed Chalabi-type Iranian "dissidents" have surfaced to tell us of secret tunnels for nuclear weapons research, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld keeps reminding the world that Iran is the "world's leading state sponsor of terrorism." Administration spokespeople keep warning of Iranian interference on the Iraqi side of their long mutual border - themes readily replayed in FOX channel news and the Washington Times. This morning's Chicago Tribune editorial put it this way: There will likely be an economic confrontation with Iran, or a military confrontation, or both. Though diplomatic efforts have succeeded in convincing most of the world that this matter is grave, diplomatic efforts are highly unlikely to sway Iran. On Saturday, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist insisted that Congress has the political will to use military force against Iran, if necessary, repeating the mantra " We cannot allow Iran to become a nuclear nation." Even Richard Perle has come out of the woodwork to add a convoluted new wrinkle regarding the lessons of the attack on Iraq. Since one cannot depend on good intelligence, says Perle, it is a matter of "take action now or lose the option of taking action." One of the most influential intellectual authors of the war on Iraq, Perle and his "neo-conservative" colleagues see themselves as men of biblical stature. Just before the attack on Iraq, Perle prophesized: If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war ... our children will sing great songs about us years from now. Those songs have turned out to be funeral dirges for over 2,250 US troops and tens of thousands of Iraqis.
#14. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
All Muslims should be deported. That would be the end of almost all of the problem, domestically.
"I am to misbehave" -- Mal Reynolds, Firefly
#15. To: christine (#13)
China just mind lend them a couple to take the USA out in Iraq.
"The world will not permit the Iranian regime to gain nuclear weapons."
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#16. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
Texas City, here it comes. (ARG has issued a synthetic terror alert)
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#17. To: OKCSubmariner, Zipporah (#0)
Perhaps the FBI or CIA or somebody like that should ask the KNOWN terror agents to leave.
According to former Florida Senator Bob Graham of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Hezbollah has 300-400 well-trained and KNOWN terror agents inside the US.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
#18. To: christine (#12)
The police state CFR and Bush administration are not telling the American people enough about the considerable Isreali threat inside the US that includes delivery of conventional explosives and WMDS inside US cities.
The police state CFR and Bush administration are not telling the American people enough about the considerable Hezbollah threat inside the US that includes delivery of conventional explosives and WMDS inside US cities.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
#19. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
You may very well be on to something here. What if they do what we least expect, not a false-flag op, but an LIHOP controlled by MIHOPers?
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#20. To: OKCSubmariner (#7)
Even if that's true, which its not, who's fault is it? And what are you proposing to do about it--a stronger Deparment of Defense, a beefed up and hyper-funded federal Intelligence network, a third and fourth term for Bush? You are sending out massively conflcting signals with your alleged anti- Bush/government stance and the call for a stronger Bush/government to deal with the Islam menace. I like the sentence this way: Israel has a far greater and well established presence and capability inside the US than AlQaeda.
Hezbollah has a far greater and well established presence and capability inside the US than AlQaeda.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
#21. To: OKCSubmariner (#7)
Did you guys have any time to consider the effect on the US by the unfettered immigration invasion from the south?
I base this on 11 years of personal investigation that has included work with Pentagon and Congressional experts (not loyal to Clinton or Bush), attorneys as well as my own contact with Iranians associated with Hezbollah in the US. Hezbollah has had a considerable presence in OKC for well over 15 years.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
#22. To: wbales (#17)
Think of the recent statement by Moussawi .. HE is al Qaeda.. now just what could he have meant by that?
#23. To: valis (#19)
What if they do what we least expect, not a false-flag op, but an LIHOP controlled by MIHOPers? Again I think of Singh and her words re the muslim brotherhood but also what Edmonds said re 9/11..no muslim names.. but rather American.
You may very well be on to something here.
#24. To: OKCSubmariner, robin, christine, wbales, tom007, Itisa1mosttoolate, valis, lodwick, Zipporah (#4)
ALMOST!!! I like you, you have put together some great stuff, but this "Muslums are going to get us stuff" is bullshit. Now its Iran? You dropped a post not to long ago along these lines, and no one here agreed. If there is an attack here, it will be funded, guided, protected by our government. Period. Mark
.....It is almost as if the Bush administration is involved in terror blackmail and permitting situations to lead to terror attacks.....
#25. To: Kamala (#24)
Mark Read this article.. this addresses what is happening re the 'clash of the civilizations' and the muslim threat: http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18985&Disp=0
ALMOST!!! I like you, you have put together some great stuff, but this "Muslums are going to get us stuff" is bullshit. Now its Iran? You dropped a post not to long ago along these lines, and no one here agreed. If there is an attack here, it will be funded, guided, protected by our government. Period.
#26. To: valis, OKCSubmariner, All (#16)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma New York City, New York Texas City, Texas DUH!
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#27. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#26)
New York City, New York Texas City, Texas DUH! heads up! I never noticed the first two that way.
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin American was "worrisome".
#28. To: Kamala, OKCSubmariner (#24)
ALMOST!!! I like you, you have put together some great stuff, but this "Muslums are going to get us stuff" is bullshit. Now its Iran? You dropped a post not to long ago along these lines, and no one here agreed. If there is an attack here, it will be funded, guided, protected by our government. Period. Mark Believing the govt ALLOWED the attacks is a first step. The next step is realizing that certain elements within this administration CAUSED them. The pieces of the puzzle do not come together until you look through the prism in this way. It's a horrific thought, the mind rejects it at first. But eventually, if the events & people involved are looked at objectively and logically, this is the evil picture that falls into place. And then successive events are seen more clearly.
.....It is almost as if the Bush administration is involved in terror blackmail and permitting situations to lead to terror attacks.....
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin American was "worrisome".
#29. To: valis, robin, christine, Neil McIver, Uncle Bill, swarthyguy, Fred Mertz (#19)
valis, Thanks for your comments. I respect your opinion. I am NOT complimentary of the Bush administration in this article. I am not even advocating the US attack Iran. My intent is to warn the public of distinct possibilites of what could happen especailly with Hezbollah inside the US if Iran is or is not attacked. I do not believe Bush and CO are doing the right things to protect or forewarn the public about Hezbollah. I think the public can protect itself better by greater awareness of Hezbollah and being alert and not depending on Bush. As I see it, Bush and real terrorists are both serious threats to America. Bush may have allowed terrorists to succeed and Bush may even have helped some terrorists, but Hezbollah terrorists are real and a threat in their own right. Taking known Hezbollah and AlQaeda terrorists off US streets would be a great step, but one Bush, the FBI, CIA and Negroponte are intentioanlly not doing. I am going to at least warn the public about Hezbollah even if I cannot do anything else to stop them or prevent Bush deliberate failures.
#30. To: valis, robin, christine, Neil McIver, Uncle Bill, swarthyguy, Fred Mertz (#29)
Quote by Dr. Walid Phares, a Professor of Middle East Studies and Senior Fellow with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (author of book "Perfect Soldiers" ): For if US airpower bombs any target inside Iran, Hizbollah will bomb US cities with all their hidden power. So, in short, the long arm of the Iranian regime -the terrorist networks- must be dealt with either before, or during a potential campaign [against targets inside Iran] But, if one observes the state of affairs of Hizbollah today in Lebanon, you'd conclude that its policies are all guided towards aborting all US policies. They know the confrontation is coming, and are preparing for it, ahead of time." Above statement made at Symposium: The Showdown [with Iran] by Jamie Glazov July 29, 2005 This quote can be found at http://www.danielpipes.org/articl e/2814
#31. To: OKCSubmariner (#30)
Front Page Magazine and Daniel PIPES?? I'd suggest you read the following: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18840 RE Pipes..including the comments..
#32. To: Zipporah, valis (#31)
I know about Pipes and Front Page. But have you read Walid Pharees book, Perfect Soldiers? and have you looked at his quotes at the link I gave? FACT: Well organized and well trained Hezbollah terrorists are real and they are inside the US capable of delivering conventional explosives and WMDS. No amount of failures by Bush, the neocons, or criticims of Pipes, Phares, Tenet, Negroponte, Isreal, Jews alters this indesputable fact.
#33. To: OKCSubmariner (#32)
IMO Frontpage and Pipes are not good sources.. absolute propaganda and disinformation. And if in fact they are in this country, it's more of the same..and if so, they're.. part of the same group that Indira Singh has mentioned..lined with the muslim brotherhood and CARE.
No amount of failures by Bush, the neocons, or criticims of Pipes, Phares, Tenet, Negroponte, Isreal, Jews alters this indesputable fact.
#34. To: OKCSubmariner (#32)
No amount of failures by Bush, the neocons, or criticims of Pipes, Phares, Tenet, Negroponte, Isreal, Jews alters this indesputable fact. The potential for Arab terrorists has been well publicized. And if the govt was seriously concerned they would secure the open border.
FACT: Well organized and well trained Hezbollah terrorists are real and they are inside the US capable of delivering conventional explosives and WMDS.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin American was "worrisome".
#35. To: robin (#34)
Yep, that is the rub. The gov should be concerned and they are not. The threat of terrorists inside the US already here and coming across our borders with WMDS and explosives is real regardless of what Bush, Chertoff, Negroponte say , do, don't say or dont' do. It is not their country, it is your and my country. I am going to warn the public about this even if I get criticized for it. Believe me, I have no respect for Bush, Negroponte. Goss, Chertoff's plans or agendas. But I do care about saving lives and empowering people with information they need that is being withheld from them by Bush and CO. By their intentionally allowing known Hamas, AlQaeda, Hezbollah, Islmaic Jihad to roam in the US,we are being used as bait and being set up for the next terror attack so they can set up martial law and world government
And if the govt was seriously concerned they would secure the open border.
#36. To: OKCSubmariner (#35)
By their intentionally allowing known Hamas, AlQaeda, Hezbollah, Islmaic Jihad to roam in the US,we are being used as bait and being set up for the next terror attack so they can set up martial law and world government I can certainly agree with you that they are going to use the next terror attack to set up martial law and world government. I just don't think they will sit idly by and wait for it to happen, I think they will orchestrate it. Neither of us can absolutely prove our different opinions. We do agree that the govt will use the end result to our nation's detriment and their own agenda.
It is not their country, it is your and my country. I am going to warn the public about this even if I get criticized for it. Believe me, I have no respect for Bush, Negroponte. Goss, Chertoff's plans or agendas. But I do care about saving lives and empowering people with information they need that is being withheld from them by Bush and CO.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin American was "worrisome".
#37. To: valis, robin, christine, Neil McIver, Uncle Bill, swarthyguy, Fred Mertz, Sparker (#30)
"... a declassified letter from the CIA to Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Bob Graham on April 8, 2002, alluded to the linkage between Iranian perceptions of threats and its pursuit of nuclear weapons. The letter stated, "There appears to be broad consensus among Iranians that they live in a highly dangerous region and face serious external threats to their government, prompting us to assess that Tehran will pursue missile and WMD [weapons of mass destruction] technologies indefinitely as critical means of national security." The letter then suggested that the external threats were focused largely on the US, adding that "persistent suspicion of US motives will help preserve the broad consensus among Iran's political elite and public for the pursuit of missile and WMD technologies as a matter of critical national security". Pillar said one of the things analysts have taken into account is Iran's May 2003 proposal to the Bush administration to negotiate on its nuclear option and its relationship with HEZBOLLAH..." The article below does highlight Iran’s WMD and nuclear activities and connections with Hezbollah even though I do not agree with the slant of the article -Iran would develop nuclear and WMD capability and use Hezbollah anyway regardless of what the US did or did not do (But even if Bush is deliberately provoking Iran, we citizens still face teh possibility of Hezbollah attacks inside the US): US fuels Iran's nuclear policy Source: Asia Times URL Source: http://www.atimes. com/atimes/Middle_East/HB09Ak02.html Published: Feb 8, 2006 Author: Gareth Porter US fuels Iran's nuclear policy By Gareth Porter WASHINGTON - The George W Bush administration's adoption of a policy of threatening to use military force against Iran disregarded a series of official intelligence estimates going back many years that consistently judged Iran's fear of a US attack to be a major motivating factor in its pursuit of a nuclear program, and potentially nuclear weapons. Two former Central Intelligence Agency officials who were directly involved in producing CIA estimates on Iran revealed in separate interviews that the National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) on Iran have consistently portrayed its concerns about the military threat posed by the United States as a central consideration in Tehran's nuclear policy. Paul Pillar, who managed the writing of all NIEs on Iran from 2000 to 2005 as the national intelligence officer for the Near East and South Asia, said that all the NIEs on Iran during that period addressed the Iranian fears of US attack explicitly and related their desire to be at least on the early path to possibly developing nuclear weapons. "Iranian perceptions of threat, especially from the United States and Israel, were not the only factor," Pillar said, "but were in our judgment part of what drove whatever effort they were making to build nuclear weapons." Pillar said the dominant view of the intelligence community in the past three years has been that Iran would seek a nuclear-weapons capability, but analysts have also considered that a willingness on the part of Washington to reassure Iran on its security fears would have a significant effect on Iranian policy. Pillar said one of the things analysts have taken into account is Iran's May 2003 proposal to the Bush administration to negotiate on its nuclear option and its relationship with Hezbollah and other anti-Israel groups as well as its own security concerns. "It was seen as an indicator of Iran's willingness to engage," he said. A second theme in the NIEs, alongside the emphasis on Iranian fears of US military intentions, was Iran's aspiration to be the "dominant regional superpower" in the Persian Gulf. However, the estimates suggested that the Iranian regime would not pursue that aspiration through means that would jeopardize the possibility of a relationship with the US. Ellen Laipson, now president of the Henry L Stimson Center in Washington, managed three or four NIEs on Iran as national intelligence officer for the Near East from 1990 to 1993, and closely followed others as vice chair of the National Intelligence Council from 1997 to 2002. She said the Iranian fear of an attack by the US had long been "a standard element" in NIEs on Iran. Laipson said she was "virtually certain the estimates linked Iran's threat perceptions to its nuclear program". She added, however, that she was not directly involved in preparation of NIEs that focused exclusively on Iran's nuclear program, as distinct from overall assessments of Iranian intentions and capabilities. Laipson said the intelligence analysts had a "fairly consistent understanding" of Iranian perceptions of threat. "We could tell they were afraid of the US both from their behavior and from their public statements," Laipson recalled. The acuteness of those Iranian fears of US attack fluctuated over time, she said, in response to different developments. The 1991 Gulf War, in which US forces destroyed most of the Iraqi army, caused the Iranians to become much more concerned about US military intentions, according to some scholarly analyses of Iranian thinking, because of the awareness that the same thing could happen to Iran. The aggressive stance of the Bush administration toward Iran again increased Iranian fears of a US attack. In early 2002, a secret Pentagon report to Congress on its "Nuclear Posture Review" named Iran as one of seven countries against which nuclear weapons might be used "in the event of surprising military developments". The report was obtained by defense analyst William Arkin, who revealed its contents in the Los Angeles Times on January 26, 2002. Five days later, Bush referred to Iran in his State of the Union address as being part of an "axis of evil", along with Iraq and North Korea. "By seeking weapons of mass destruction," he said, "these regimes pose a grave and growing danger." Although it did not refer directly to fears of the US, a declassified letter from the CIA to Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Bob Graham on April 8, 2002, alluded to the linkage between Iranian perceptions of threats and its pursuit of nuclear weapons. The letter stated, "There appears to be broad consensus among Iranians that they live in a highly dangerous region and face serious external threats to their government, prompting us to assess that Tehran will pursue missile and WMD [weapons of mass destruction] technologies indefinitely as critical means of national security." The letter then suggested that the external threats were focused largely on the US, adding that "persistent suspicion of US motives will help preserve the broad consensus among Iran's political elite and public for the pursuit of missile and WMD technologies as a matter of critical national security". After the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, a spokesman for the Iranian government stated that, in a "unipolar world", Iran had to have policy that would avoid war with the US. That preoccupation with averting a US attack cut both ways: it forced the Iranian leaders to seek a political-diplomatic accommodation with the US, as illustrated by its cooperation with the US in Afghanistan after the events of September 11, 2001, and its offer of broad negotiations on all major issues between the two countries in 2003. But when the US failed to respond to those efforts, it also strengthened the argument for pressing ahead with a nuclear program. Gareth Porter is a historian and national-security policy analyst. His latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published last June
Excerpts from article below "US fuels Iran's nuclear policy":
#38. To: Zipporah (#31)
These guys are pure pro Israel PNAC boys. "Perfect Soldiers" is I think written by Terry McDerrmit(SP), a paid, in my opinion, government writer. You are right on Zipporah, not only those links expose what is going on, but I think we have posted a couple other articles as well. Those "sources" like Daniel Pipes, are bad. If one really wants to link to some neo con view, how about James Corsi, author of "Atomic Iran". This guy has Zionism shooting out of hs ears. Mark
#39. To: OKCSubmariner (#32)
Terry McDerrmit is a paid government spin artist. This guy said on CSPAN that the put options prior to 911 was an urban myth. Mark
...But have you read Walid Pharees book, Perfect Soldiers? and have you looked at his quotes
#40. To: Kamala (#38)
You are right on Zipporah, not only those links expose what is going on, but I think we have posted a couple other articles as well. Those "sources" like Daniel Pipes, are bad. If one really wants to link to some neo con view, how about James Corsi, author of "Atomic Iran". This guy has Zionism shooting out of hs ears. I say look at the facts and the truth and be ready to accept it and be willing to change your world view. That is exactly what I had to do.. some want to take their world view and filter facts thru it.. rather than vice versa.
These guys are pure pro Israel PNAC boys. "Perfect Soldiers" is I think written by Terry McDerrmit(SP), a paid, in my opinion, government writer.
#41. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)
Local radio has been playing feeds from North American (read: US) clerics calling for an end to the Muslim violence and protests, saying this is not the honorable path. I have suspected there is a divide between Eastern and Western Islam, much like Eastern (Orthodox, Coptic, etc) and Western (Rome, Protestants) Christianity. The Western branch of Islam, I think, tends to be more liberal, open, peaceful, live and let live. They have grown up under a culture and society that allows people to worship as they see fit. Eastern Islam, I doubt has really ever known this. My hope is the Western clerics who appear to be more liberal, will win out. We need them to. One cannot deny the violent past and present of Islam. Constantinople can testify to this. This is the delima. We know and are aware of Islam's violent tendencies: to pillage, enslave, kill. We also know this is a faith and a practice of faith. We cannot simply outlaw the practice of Islam here in the US, nor can we just deport all Muslims. We know we may very well face the same problems Europe is now at some point down the road. Somehow, we need to figure out a way for Islam to practice here in the US without violent consequences that follow. The other thing that bothers me is our media, both conservative and liberal, and to a lesser extent what has been coming out of Washington. Fox, Hannity, Rush, Savage, et al, exploit Islam's violent past to whip their masses into a frenzy thinking that we need to nuke Mecca and kill every Muslim. They whip us up into an incredible fear and paranoia of the Muslim. The liberal media downplays Islam's violent past and tells us in absolute terms that Islam is a religion of peace and we should not have much concern over the Muslim. The Administration tells us we are not a war with Islam. We are at war with terrorists who happen to be in Muslim countries and they rattle off nation after nation that "needs" democratic reform. Pat- you and I can logically conclude that not all Muslims are terrorists. But you and I have also listened to a lot of radio and know that a surprising amount of people don't reach that conclusion. Afterall, Administration mouthpiece after mouthpiece has talked about Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and the list goes on- all predominate Muslim. After all a while, people begin to think all Muslims are terrorists, or at least, terrorists in waiting. This is why I am coming to the belief that we really need the liberal Western clerics to prevail.
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