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Title: Here's why Ann Coulter thinks Donald Trump has a real shot at winning it all
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URL Source: http://uk.businessinsider.com/ann-c ... n-immigration-2015-9?r=US&IR=T
Published: Mar 6, 2016
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2016-03-06 13:58:47 by Horse
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Views: 422
Comments: 47


Poster Comment:

Video at source. Trump will win because he is the only one for ending immigration. There is the sense in America that this is our last chance to not turn America into another Mexico.

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#1. To: Horse, christine (#0)

didn't you see the report where trump has admitted he will compromise and that the things he says public are likely different than what his actual policy will be? there is much history on this, I think I posted it last week.

this is 100% in line with trump's past remarks, where he endorses ''comprehensive immigration reform,'.

even pro border activists have written extensively about this and conveyed that he is not really trustworthy on this issue.

I understand that what trump is currently saying about immigration is great and its what America wants to hear. and I have no problem with anyone voting for trump, if they believe that voting even matters.'

however, I do not believe for one second that trump will build a great wall of china on the border or that he will eject 30 million illegals or their anchor babies, or that he will even change policy in any drastic way.

if anyone wants to put a wager on this, give me your offer and I will collect one year from the date of Trump's inauguration. ill put my money where my mouth is. any takers?? if not, WHY NOT? :-)

Artisan  posted on  2016-03-06   14:12:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Artisan, All (#1)

if anyone wants to put a wager on this, give me your offer and I will collect one year from the date of Trump's inauguration. ill put my money where my mouth is. any takers?? if not, WHY NOT? :-)

Pretty safe bet...

I seem to recall Trump said it would take two ears to build.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-03-06   15:24:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#3)

thanks for the clarification, that's an important detail about the two years. I have amended my wager accordingly. I think they might reinforce or do some repairs to the alleged existing border fences, but no 'great wall' will be built. the 30 million illegals that are here will not be deported. They should be, but they wont be.

I will bet you $100 bucks that on January 21, 2019, trump will not have deported 30 million illegals or built that great wall he is always talking about.

Deal?

Artisan  posted on  2016-03-06   15:41:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Artisan (#11)

I will bet you $100 bucks that on January 21, 2019, trump will not have deported 30 million illegals or built that great wall he is always talking about.

Very safe bet Art, NO ONE has ever mentioned the figure of 30 million illegals.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-03-06   15:44:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#13)

ok, how about the wall and 11 million illegals?

I don't like to use the eleven million figure since it's completely bogus, but trump is widely reported to have said that he will deport the eleven million. So we can stick with that.

google: trump says he will deport illegals

CNN: Donald Trump promises 'deportation force' to remove 11 million http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump- deportation-force-debate-immigration/ (video at source)

Washington (CNN)—Pressed on how he would deport 11 million undocumented immigrants from the country, Donald Trump said Wednesday he would build a "deportation force."

Trump was pressed for specifics on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" by co-host Mika Brzezinski, who asked if he would have a "massive deportation force."

"You're going to have a deportation force, and you're going to do it humanely," Trump said. "Don't forget, Mika, that you have millions of people that are waiting in line to come into this country and they're waiting to come in legally. And I always say the wall, we're going to build the wall. It's going to be a real deal. It's going to be a real wall."

Included in the immigration proposal Trump released this past August is a call for to triple the number of immigrations and customs enforcement agents. He has also proposed ending birthright citizenship, which is included in the fourteenth amendment of the Constitution and grants automatic citizenship to anyone born in the U.S.

Trump was hit by both John Kasich and Jeb Bush for sticking by his call to deport 11 million people and build a wall along the Mexican border during Tuesday night's fourth Republican debate.

"We all know you can't pick them up and ship them across, back across the border. It's a silly argument," Kasich fired off during the debate. "It is not an adult argument. It makes no sense."

But as the moderators tried to move on from the exchange between Kasich and Trump, Trump cut in and dismissed Kasich completely.

"I built an unbelievable company worth billions and billions of dollars," Trump said. "I don't have to hear from this man, believe me. I don't have to hear from him."

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BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34789502

Donald Trump wants to deport every single illegal immigrant - could he?

11 November 2015

US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump wants to deport every illegal immigrant from the United States. The other Republican candidates say it can't be done - one called it a "silly argument".

And the majority of US Republican voters disagree with Mr Trump: according to a 2015 survey by the Pew Research Center, 56% believe undocumented immigrants should be allowed to stay if they meet certain criteria.

So who's right? And what would happen if US authorities attempted to carry out Mr Trump's audacious plan?

A huge task

There are approximately 11.3 million undocumented immigrants in the US. Rounding them up and deporting them would present a huge logistical and financial challenge to America's military, law enforcement, and border control agencies.

Mr Trump hasn't set out a timeframe for his mass deportation strategy, but a 2015 study by the American Action Forum (AAF), a conservative think tank, estimates it would take about 20 years to find and deport that many people.

Using good old-fashioned American school buses, that's 650 bus loads every month for two decades. Plus continuous operations from a variety of law enforcement and other government bodies - with all the cost that entails.

So how much is that?

Based on an analysis for 5 million people, the Centre for American Progress estimates that a mass deportation from the US would cost an average of $10,070 (£6,624) per person. For 11.3 million people, that's $114bn (£75bn).

And that would cover only the basic operational costs - apprehension, detention, legal processing, and deportation. According to the AAF, the total cost of a 20-year mass deportation programme would be somewhere between $420 and $620 billion.

But we're not finished yet, there's still the impact on the economy. The AAF report, published earlier this year, estimates that undocumented immigrants made up 6.4% of the country's labour force - about 11 million workers - in 2014.

It predicts that deporting all of those workers would shrink the US economy by nearly 6%, or $1.6 trillion, by 2035.

That's not to mention the enormous potential for lawsuits and reparations claims filed against the government.

What about... society?

This massive deportation programme would have to be done with the support - or at least tacit consent - of the American people, many of whom will have lived or worked with, or befriended and loved undocumented immigrants for years.

According to a 2013 study by Pew, illegal immigrant adults had been in the country for a median of 13 years at the time the study was carried out.

Would ordinary Americans turn a blind eye while neighbours, colleagues and friends were rounded up and taken away? Or would it precipitate mass civil unrest? In 2010, Arizona introduced a law that allowed police to check the legal status of anyone they suspected of being an illegal immigrant, and 100,000 people hit the streets to protest.

And then there is the thorny issue of how this would all look. In an age when nearly everyone has a video camera in their pocket, could the military really round people up - young and old, entire families - and force them on to buses and trains? Would the soldiers have machine guns and dogs? Could the average American stomach those images, with all their attendant historical echoes?

Are there any other options?

The majority of US citizens - especially Hispanics, younger Americans and Democrats - support a path to either citizenship or permanent residency for undocumented immigrants.

Under plans first put forward by President Obama in 2014, about five million undocumented immigrants would be allowed to apply for work permits and eventually permanent residency.

Most of those eligible are undocumented parents whose children were born in the US and so are US citizens.

But Mr Obama's plan was initially rejected by Congress. Then in November his attempt to push the proposals through as an executive action was halted by a federal appeals court, leaving them hanging in the balance.

Under a federal law enacted in 2006, the US must detain a minimum of 34,000 undocumented immigrants every single day. The BBC went to Georgia to investigate America's $2bn (£1.2bn) detention and deportation industry.

Artisan  posted on  2016-03-06   15:52:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Artisan (#15)

ok, how about the wall and 11 million illegals?

That is in the realm of being realistic.

A betting person would perhaps find favorable odds in starting at the top, for instance, TRUMP WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT...

I will see what the odds are.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-03-06   15:58:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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