Video at source. Trump will win because he is the only one for ending immigration. There is the sense in America that this is our last chance to not turn America into another Mexico.
didn't you see the report where trump has admitted he will compromise and that the things he says public are likely different than what his actual policy will be? there is much history on this, I think I posted it last week.
this is 100% in line with trump's past remarks, where he endorses ''comprehensive immigration reform,'.
even pro border activists have written extensively about this and conveyed that he is not really trustworthy on this issue.
I understand that what trump is currently saying about immigration is great and its what America wants to hear. and I have no problem with anyone voting for trump, if they believe that voting even matters.'
however, I do not believe for one second that trump will build a great wall of china on the border or that he will eject 30 million illegals or their anchor babies, or that he will even change policy in any drastic way.
if anyone wants to put a wager on this, give me your offer and I will collect one year from the date of Trump's inauguration. ill put my money where my mouth is. any takers?? if not, WHY NOT? :-)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
if anyone wants to put a wager on this, give me your offer and I will collect one year from the date of Trump's inauguration. ill put my money where my mouth is. any takers?? if not, WHY NOT? :-)
Pretty safe bet...
I seem to recall Trump said it would take two ears to build.
if anyone wants to put a wager on this, give me your offer and I will collect one year from the date of Trump's inauguration. ill put my money where my mouth is. any takers??
If I understand your wager, you are saying Trump wins and won't do as he pledged as a candidate?
I'll wager $100 that Trump doesn't win; that gives me the field.
If it's gonna take two ears, we should look to Dumbo Marco. :-)
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
you're right, I've waffled on this guy. I am ambivalent. I started out scorning him, because of his past record as a harry reid donor, Clinton donor, open gun- ban advocate, amnesty proponent, and israeli sycophant. Then I eased up on him after his very positive reaction to me when I told him Israel did 911. I couldn't resist. But recently I had a half dozen good friends knock some sense in to me after I got too excited about trump calling out bush for 9/11. it's too easy to get caught up in the moment because he says a lot of good things. But its important to remember he says a lot of completely bullshit, evil things too. Given the fact that the CFR chief is his top foreign policy advisor, I don't think that bodes well for the u.s. There's no one better than Trump running for president at this point, because he is a wild card. But I think I should remain skeptical at best.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
Skepticism and cynicism are musts these days. I don't blame you one bit.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
haha, but that's not my offer. my offer is only that if trump wins, he is not going to do what he claims on the illegals. But it should be interesting to see if any of these trumpeteers take you up on your offer . after all, if they're so confident he will be the prez, why wouldn't they? who wouldn't like an easy 100 bucks?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
thanks for the clarification, that's an important detail about the two years. I have amended my wager accordingly. I think they might reinforce or do some repairs to the alleged existing border fences, but no 'great wall' will be built. the 30 million illegals that are here will not be deported. They should be, but they wont be.
I will bet you $100 bucks that on January 21, 2019, trump will not have deported 30 million illegals or built that great wall he is always talking about.
Deal?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
I will bet you $100 bucks that on January 21, 2019, trump will not have deported 30 million illegals or built that great wall he is always talking about.
Very safe bet Art, NO ONE has ever mentioned the figure of 30 million illegals.
people always say that, they claimed the same about bush junior, that he will become a full on dictator, declare martial law, suspend the CONstituion, and stay in there forever.
I think that is silly, because they don't need to stay in to retain our quasi- dictatorship. the puppets always do the same shit anyway and retain the same course, regardless of who it is.
barry will go back to the bathhouses and grow old with his supposed tranny 'wife' who he often calls "Michael" in public.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
I don't like to use the eleven million figure since it's completely bogus, but trump is widely reported to have said that he will deport the eleven million. So we can stick with that.
Washington (CNN)—Pressed on how he would deport 11 million undocumented immigrants from the country, Donald Trump said Wednesday he would build a "deportation force."
Trump was pressed for specifics on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" by co-host Mika Brzezinski, who asked if he would have a "massive deportation force."
"You're going to have a deportation force, and you're going to do it humanely," Trump said. "Don't forget, Mika, that you have millions of people that are waiting in line to come into this country and they're waiting to come in legally. And I always say the wall, we're going to build the wall. It's going to be a real deal. It's going to be a real wall."
Included in the immigration proposal Trump released this past August is a call for to triple the number of immigrations and customs enforcement agents. He has also proposed ending birthright citizenship, which is included in the fourteenth amendment of the Constitution and grants automatic citizenship to anyone born in the U.S.
Trump was hit by both John Kasich and Jeb Bush for sticking by his call to deport 11 million people and build a wall along the Mexican border during Tuesday night's fourth Republican debate.
"We all know you can't pick them up and ship them across, back across the border. It's a silly argument," Kasich fired off during the debate. "It is not an adult argument. It makes no sense."
But as the moderators tried to move on from the exchange between Kasich and Trump, Trump cut in and dismissed Kasich completely.
"I built an unbelievable company worth billions and billions of dollars," Trump said. "I don't have to hear from this man, believe me. I don't have to hear from him."
Donald Trump wants to deport every single illegal immigrant - could he?
11 November 2015
US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump wants to deport every illegal immigrant from the United States. The other Republican candidates say it can't be done - one called it a "silly argument".
And the majority of US Republican voters disagree with Mr Trump: according to a 2015 survey by the Pew Research Center, 56% believe undocumented immigrants should be allowed to stay if they meet certain criteria.
So who's right? And what would happen if US authorities attempted to carry out Mr Trump's audacious plan?
A huge task
There are approximately 11.3 million undocumented immigrants in the US. Rounding them up and deporting them would present a huge logistical and financial challenge to America's military, law enforcement, and border control agencies.
Mr Trump hasn't set out a timeframe for his mass deportation strategy, but a 2015 study by the American Action Forum (AAF), a conservative think tank, estimates it would take about 20 years to find and deport that many people.
Using good old-fashioned American school buses, that's 650 bus loads every month for two decades. Plus continuous operations from a variety of law enforcement and other government bodies - with all the cost that entails.
So how much is that?
Based on an analysis for 5 million people, the Centre for American Progress estimates that a mass deportation from the US would cost an average of $10,070 (£6,624) per person. For 11.3 million people, that's $114bn (£75bn).
And that would cover only the basic operational costs - apprehension, detention, legal processing, and deportation. According to the AAF, the total cost of a 20-year mass deportation programme would be somewhere between $420 and $620 billion.
But we're not finished yet, there's still the impact on the economy. The AAF report, published earlier this year, estimates that undocumented immigrants made up 6.4% of the country's labour force - about 11 million workers - in 2014.
It predicts that deporting all of those workers would shrink the US economy by nearly 6%, or $1.6 trillion, by 2035.
That's not to mention the enormous potential for lawsuits and reparations claims filed against the government.
What about... society?
This massive deportation programme would have to be done with the support - or at least tacit consent - of the American people, many of whom will have lived or worked with, or befriended and loved undocumented immigrants for years.
According to a 2013 study by Pew, illegal immigrant adults had been in the country for a median of 13 years at the time the study was carried out.
Would ordinary Americans turn a blind eye while neighbours, colleagues and friends were rounded up and taken away? Or would it precipitate mass civil unrest? In 2010, Arizona introduced a law that allowed police to check the legal status of anyone they suspected of being an illegal immigrant, and 100,000 people hit the streets to protest.
And then there is the thorny issue of how this would all look. In an age when nearly everyone has a video camera in their pocket, could the military really round people up - young and old, entire families - and force them on to buses and trains? Would the soldiers have machine guns and dogs? Could the average American stomach those images, with all their attendant historical echoes?
Are there any other options?
The majority of US citizens - especially Hispanics, younger Americans and Democrats - support a path to either citizenship or permanent residency for undocumented immigrants.
Under plans first put forward by President Obama in 2014, about five million undocumented immigrants would be allowed to apply for work permits and eventually permanent residency.
Most of those eligible are undocumented parents whose children were born in the US and so are US citizens.
But Mr Obama's plan was initially rejected by Congress. Then in November his attempt to push the proposals through as an executive action was halted by a federal appeals court, leaving them hanging in the balance.
Under a federal law enacted in 2006, the US must detain a minimum of 34,000 undocumented immigrants every single day. The BBC went to Georgia to investigate America's $2bn (£1.2bn) detention and deportation industry.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
#18. To: Fred Mertz, Artisan, christine, Lod (#16)
My bet is different. I think we have a 100% certainty of martial law when the Dollar Dies. We would be better off with Trump than Hillary being a dictator for 2 years or so.
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One thing in Trumps favor, he is NOT a politician.
At no time has he pandered to the voters with goodies, no free health care, no free education, no more food stamps, NONE of the usual give away programs.
He does say he will stick it to the Chinks, Beaners and Japs, now that does rouse my interest.
We do have people here that would vote for the Bitch. Their choice.
I actually believe that Trump will be president., and am looking forward to it. I think this is the most interesting, & entertaining, presidential race in my lifetime.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
I supported paul in 2007, but I was surprised by how many people supported him in 2012 after what he did in 07. at that point, similar to you, I was done with him. it was a joke, a fake campaign, perhaps the whole time.
when Ron Paul issued a very stern press release condemning Romney critics, his alleged opponent, that was the nail in the coffin so to speak. I still have that.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
I supported paul in 2007, but I was surprised by how many people supported him in 2012 after what he did in 07. at that point, similar to you, I was done with him. it was a joke, a fake campaign, perhaps the whole time.
When I pulled the plug on Paul the first time, I was called many bad names here on 4um. Mostly naughty names.
Honestly, I don't know a single person who supports Hitlery
I don't know a single person who admits to supporting her. But I suspect that almost all of the millions of people who voted for Obama (some twice) will vote for her. A few months ago I estimated her chances of winning at 100% (because the demonrats have superior numbers), but since then I have been pleasantly surprised by the popularity that Trump is enjoying. And someone here pointed out that Trump's presence in the race will motivate some people who haven't voted in many years to register vote for him. That sounds plausible, so today I'm estimating the Sea Hag's chances of winning at only 90%. But if the republicon elite steal the nomination from Trump, my estimate will go back up to 100%.
Trump's presence in the race will motivate some people who haven't voted in many years to register vote for him. That sounds plausible,
There are 100 million Americans that are eligible to vote, but do not.
The reasons for not voting are numerous and varied. The segment that Trump is interested in is the older people that have withdrawn from a corrupt/criminal government. I have not voted for many years, however, with Trump on the ballot, I will register and vote.
I have not voted for many years, however, with Trump on the ballot, I will register and vote.
Sounds good. Except in a primary race, I haven't voted for a democrat or a republican presidential candidate in many years myself. But I'll vote for Trump in the general election if he gets the nomination.
I supported paul in 2007, but I was surprised by how many people supported him in 2012 after what he did in 07. at that point, similar to you, I was done with him. it was a joke, a fake campaign, perhaps the whole time.
Do you mind please telling us what Paul did in 2007 -- specifically -- that led you to that conclusion?
What Paul DIDN'T do was challenge the blatant vote fraud in the primaries!
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
No one that I know of has ever explained his rolling over on the obvious count fraud. No one.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I read an article today about turnout for Saturday's (Pubbie) caucus in KY. It said that hundred of Dims and Independents showed up thinking they could vote - they couldn't. So bunches of them decided to change their party affiliation to Pubbie. Can't recall which part of the state the news item came from, just that it was reported that way.
if I recall he pretty much threw in the towel, I forget the term he used, didn't try to win any more states, or stopped campaigning anywhere. plus never mentioned the rampant vote fraud that all of his absolute zealot supporters were raging wildly about every day. with the momentum he had, I recall people saying that he threw the race and never even wanted to win. rense.com still has a big column on it, I think. he disappointed, and some even said betrayed. millions who had really put their hope in him.
Ron always started off with us by saying "Who knew freedom was so popular ?" in a playful way but deep down he really got it when he saw the sheer passion and numbers and growth.
He never wanted to be in position to see his family torn apart like the Kennedy clan.
And he certainly set us up for a guy like Trump. Sheer genius.
Ron and Don and Ross are all just Men just as us but their great moments are more than ours combined.
But to not understand that people like Perot and Trump and himself all worry about the real threats against them and their immediate family is naïve.
I'm not talking about you. maybe you can stare that down and run against the odds. I would hope my faith and those around me is such that we just do the right thing no matter who dies.
But you can bet Don will start compromising to save lives or he won't. It's really all up to the Donald and our Lord now imo.
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning