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Title: Donald Trump: women who get illegal abortions should be 'punished'
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URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ ... ump-women-abortions-punishment
Published: Mar 30, 2016
Author: The Guardian
Post Date: 2016-03-30 18:11:14 by christine
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Views: 946
Comments: 81
Women who have illegal abortions should be punished, Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump said on Wednesday. Trump was asked by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews to define his “pro-life” stance and assertions that abortion should be banned. “Do you believe in punishment for abortion – yes or no – as a principle?” asked Matthews, during the taping of a town hall event. “The answer is there has to be some form of punishment,” said Trump. “For the woman?” Matthews said. “Yeah, there has to be some form,” Trump replied. “Ten cents, 10 years, what?” Matthews asked again, pressing. “That I don’t know,” said Trump. Asked about a ban, the Republican frontrunner said that people would circumvent it: “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places, but we have to ban it.” 'No hate in our state': undercover protesters take on Trump in Wisconsin Read more The 90-second exchange is likely to inflame Democratic pro-choice advocates, Republicans who have criticized Trump for flip-flopping on the issue, and anti-abortion advocates who may call Trump’s comments a misunderstanding of their stance. In a 1999 interview, Trump described himself as “pro-choice in every respect”, and also said he would not “ban abortion” if he was ever elected president. But his position as a presidential candidate has changed starkly. Trump later tried to clarify his position in a statement, but stopped short of retracting his view stated on MSNBC that women should be punished. However, Trump seemed to acknowledge that the establishment of any anti-abortion law would fall to Congress or state legislatures. “If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed – like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions,” the statement said. Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton called the comments “horrific and telling”. Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the political arm of America’s best-known abortion provider, said the statements were tantamount to an incitement of violence. The Susan B Anthony List, an anti-abortion group, attempted to clarify the position of the anti-abortion lobby, calling Trump a “convert” to the movement. “[Let] us be clear: punishment is solely for the abortionist who profits off of the destruction of one life and the grave wounding of another,” said president Marjorie Dannenfelser in a statement. The exchange prompted immediate questions for other Republican candidates about how they would enforce an “abortion ban”. Ohio governor and Republican nominee hopeful John Kasich told Chuck Todd the same afternoon that punishing women who have illegal abortions, in the hypothetical situation that there were a ban, was not “an appropriate response”. Poster Comment: Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Agree. This should be between them, their God, and their abortionist. Not their potus.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Easy solution to this issue... Women should have to apply for a permit to become pregnant. Anyone that becomes pregnant without a permit would pay a $500 fine
Sex and the mating urge are very powerful. It is in our instinct to do so. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Yawl who believe so, would you agree the child should be euthanized before being torn to pieces in the womb -- and that abortioneers show absolute depravity in never having mentioned the subject? Oh, excuse me -- "abortion DOCTORS". :-5 They shoot horses, don't they?
Next time he will be, at least on this issue. Trump is a shoot from the hip type of guy.
If children are not wanted, I believe that serious, if not permanent, contraception is the way to go. Not abortion, but adoption if conception happens.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
That's not what I asked. You agreed with Chris that legalized feticide should be up to the states, implying it's an acceptable moral choice. I don't necessarily disagree, just have to wonder and ask. My proposition seems to be meeting with the same Grand Canyon of vacuity here it would at a NOW meeting.
That's what I said. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I hit my head a few times but I am still tone deaf.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
In other words, ripping the few truly innocent human beings in existence limb from limb or burning them to death in the womb is morally optional?
Quick -- ask him which swimming pool!
What does "vacuity" mean? Using big words on 4um should be banned, and anyone doing so should be punished.
Whoa, harsh words! That one's 7 letters short and its meaning should be fairly obvious? Judicious sesquipedalianism (or logological larking) can be fun for all. Words are the tools of our trade, weapons in our war. Shakespeare, Luther et al coined 'em as they went along, giving us language as we know it.
Here's just a taste of what's coming. this fuckin piece of shit should have been aborted...#StrikeWomen #StandWithWomen Guess having him as a son was punishment enough for his mother unless he was hatched.
I guess he has got the blood boiling. Ouch! ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Trump gets some really stupid questions, from out of the blue, to which he gives some really stupid answers, from where I haven't a clue.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Or maybe sew them up as a policy of one abortion : one uterus ? A one off if you will.
Only you have the gravitas to say that ! LOL
Oh, no -- not this. Checking http://newsoftheweird.com as I periodically do, the latest finds there include A Perfect Storm of Vacuousness: In February, British marketing company Havas Helia tapped the "millennial" generation's obsessions with craft beer and data-driven knowledge, announcing the development of 0101 -- a brew created, it said, by social media messages. The company, "finding" that the generation appeared "optimistic," analyzed "thousands" of the generation's messages against 24 human emotions, which it translated to 38 particular emotional states, which were fed into the IBM Watson computer, which selected 10 existing beers, whose recipes were then cribbed to create 0101 (a "cream ale" with honey and two specific kinds of hops, tasting of "optimism, love, imagination, and gentle overtones of excitement"). [IDG News Service (Boston) via PC World, 2-10-2016] I need help. Whether 'tis better to say vacuity, which is less blatantly clear, or vacuousness, which is obvious in meaning but LONGER..... that is the question! TILT! :-s
That certainly didn't take long! No one can give an answer on abortion that will make everyone happy, and it seems to me Trump was basically forced to give an answer when he wasn't prepared to do so. Lack of preparation on this topic, sure that's Trump's bad. But Trump has demonstrated a resiliency. He'll come back in the next few days and cover the topic again with a more well thought out position, probably chastising Matthews for being overly demanding in the process. Trump's position on this topic is being mischaracterized for sure.
A nation made up of such a diverse population and its political leaders aren't honestly capable of deciding this issue for everyone with a one law fits all type of legislation. The government should have no say whatsoever and a President, regardless of his own personal belief system needs to understand the limits of his authority over other people's personal decisions. That being said I am opposed to abortion. I do not think the State or the FEDS should have anything to say in the matter nor should taxpayer money be utilized to fund such a divisive issue. All decisions of this nature should be left to the parties involved, Doctor, and couple requiring procedure. These parties will answer for their decision but should have no need to answer to some bureaucrat. Another thing, Trump without the "T" is simply an ASS (Rump). This election cycle should be enough to make any thinking individual nauseous enough to ask - who are these creeps and how is it they have managed to get so intricately involved in what I once thought was my life ? We must stop giving these freaks power over our lives. Kill the banks ! "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
We may not agree on abortion but we'd have to agree that Trump's response was beyond amateurish ... could it be that Trump got a message from the real power ? Has someone told the billionaire brat to sit down and shut up but try not to be too obvious ? Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
We must stop giving these freaks power over our lives. Kill the banks ! It is an intricate and tangled web they have woven around us to control our actions. Much of this has to do with the Social Security Number and how it is used, plus if you vote, or not. Once your birth is registered (now you get your SSN at birth) it initiates a series of actions that tie you into their system. It is much like the movies about the Matrix. We all want to be free from their system of control, but it is difficult to do so. Personally, I have me Security Agreement on file with the Secretary of State of my State, and this gives my claim priority over all others. And this includes the State and Federal income taxes which can be paid by Assignment of Account. Unfortunately, my Payee at the Courthouse has nullified my Security Agreement by paying those scoundrels. And I intend to end this once and for all at the earliest possibility. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Your position on these matters is just slightly different from mine. (And to be perfectly honest I have chosen NOT to study or use the UCC 1 because it too is part of their scheme. You may be right but my position is to be absolutely separate and independent of their system). Kind of like I can't recognize them as much as they cannot recognize me. Like we exist on two different planes or in two different dimensions oblivious to each other. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
Funny...that's exactly what I thought of today.
I am in complete agreement with you. Well said, as always.
Thanks !
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
Rethink it.... To my knowledge Trump is the ONLY one that has repeated over and over that ...Christianity is under siege worldwide... None of the other politicians nor the media will touch that with a ten foot pole.
In the past cops went after the doctor, not the woman.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Doesn't exist, unless you're talking about millions of people at cross purposes with each other. "Have Brain, Will Travel
To my knowledge Trump is the ONLY one that has repeated over and over that ...Christianity is under siege worldwide... None of the other politicians nor the media will touch that with a ten foot pole. I guess time will tell. I do appreciate your opinion. I do not trust anything FEDERAL or anyone that joins that club. I've witnessed these vermin manipulate the people of our country my entire lifetime. I've seen enough of their perpetual antics and propaganda. All I will say in their favor is that they're very good at being terrible. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
Case in point... Trump ad libs a lot of flubs that are off base. However now and again he inserts some small item that no one questions, or complains about etc. Case in point, his assertions about siege on Christianity has brought zero comments, ridicule or otherwise. Another...One night he stated why we are in Afghanistan, something the government nor anyone else will talk about. From the nay sayers and media, not a whisper, total silence. Trump is not stupid.
I have never accused him of that problem. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
Trump won't be allowed to succeed. I believe he could be one of US. But if he does expose the bastards that are playing the part of his loyal competition then he will open a lot of before the end of America in real terms that everyone who's been sleeping can understand. Either way the country is in for a rude collapse. It is inevitable. IMO
Say what we will about Alex Jones; psyop or Patriot. He believes Trump is 'one of us'. fwiw
Fact Check: Did Trump say in '98 Republicans are dumb? USA! USA! Today! :) "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Thanks. Having watched the Trump/Matthews exchange for the first time, it's clear Matthews was really, really pressing him for an answer. I think the doom and gloom commentary they discuss based on this exchange is just that. The only fault Trump demonstrated was lack of preparation on the issue. But the people who like Trump like him for reasons having nothing to do with good mentally prepared soundbites, but rather because he's honest enough to say what he thinks, which is something politicians don't do. Ever see the movie Bulworth?
Politicians generally speak from both sides of their mouths. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
True... That is why the establishment is in a bind. Now he is not promising to back a pub candidate, the system is in a dither. First time in my lifetime that big money has not run the election. Lets suppose Trump wins. There is NO ONE in the establishment can make a phone call and make him do what they want done. I like that. I will vote twice for Trump.
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#2. To: christine (#0)
Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue,
#3. To: christine (#0)
#4. To: Lod (#1)
#5. To: christine (#0)
Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.
#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#4)
#7. To: Lod (#6)
#8. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)
This should be between them, their God, and their abortionist. Not their potus.
#9. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)
#10. To: Lod (#8)
#11. To: Horse (#9)
I hit my head a few times but I am still tone deaf.
#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)
vacuity
#13. To: Pinguinite, All (#12)
#14. To: All (#0)
#15. To: christine (#14)
this fuckin piece of shit should have been aborted...#StrikeWomen #StandWithWomen Guess having him as a son was punishment enough for his mother unless he was hatched.
#16. To: christine (#14)
#17. To: Cynicom (#2)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#18. To: Pinguinite (#12)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#19. To: All (#13)
(Edited)
#20. To: christine (#14)
#21. To: christine (#0)
Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.
#22. To: christine (#14)
#23. To: noone222 (#21)
who are these creeps and how is it they have managed to get so intricately involved in what I once thought was my life ?
#24. To: BTP Holdings (#23)
#25. To: noone222 (#22)
Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe.
#26. To: noone222 (#21)
#27. To: christine (#26)
#28. To: Pinguinite (#20)
#29. To: noone222 (#22)
Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe.
#30. To: Cynicom (#2)
#31. To: noone222 (#22)
Maybe the real power
#32. To: Cynicom (#29)
Rethink it....
#33. To: noone222 (#32)
#34. To: Cynicom (#33)
Trump is not stupid.
#35. To: noone222, Cynicom, all (#34)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#36. To: Cynicom (#33)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#37. To: Rotara, 4um (#36)
#38. To: christine (#28)
#39. To: Pinguinite (#38)
he's honest enough to say what he thinks, which is something politicians don't do.
#40. To: Rotara (#36)
He believes Trump is 'one of us'. fwiw
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