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Title: Donald Trump: women who get illegal abortions should be 'punished'
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URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ ... ump-women-abortions-punishment
Published: Mar 30, 2016
Author: The Guardian
Post Date: 2016-03-30 18:11:14 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 2368
Comments: 81

Women who have illegal abortions should be punished, Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump said on Wednesday.

Trump was asked by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews to define his “pro-life” stance and assertions that abortion should be banned.

“Do you believe in punishment for abortion – yes or no – as a principle?” asked Matthews, during the taping of a town hall event.

“The answer is there has to be some form of punishment,” said Trump.

“For the woman?” Matthews said.

“Yeah, there has to be some form,” Trump replied.

“Ten cents, 10 years, what?” Matthews asked again, pressing.

“That I don’t know,” said Trump.

Asked about a ban, the Republican frontrunner said that people would circumvent it: “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places, but we have to ban it.” 'No hate in our state': undercover protesters take on Trump in Wisconsin Read more

The 90-second exchange is likely to inflame Democratic pro-choice advocates, Republicans who have criticized Trump for flip-flopping on the issue, and anti-abortion advocates who may call Trump’s comments a misunderstanding of their stance.

In a 1999 interview, Trump described himself as “pro-choice in every respect”, and also said he would not “ban abortion” if he was ever elected president. But his position as a presidential candidate has changed starkly.

Trump later tried to clarify his position in a statement, but stopped short of retracting his view stated on MSNBC that women should be punished.

However, Trump seemed to acknowledge that the establishment of any anti-abortion law would fall to Congress or state legislatures.

“If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed – like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions,” the statement said.

Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton called the comments “horrific and telling”.

Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the political arm of America’s best-known abortion provider, said the statements were tantamount to an incitement of violence.

The Susan B Anthony List, an anti-abortion group, attempted to clarify the position of the anti-abortion lobby, calling Trump a “convert” to the movement.

“[Let] us be clear: punishment is solely for the abortionist who profits off of the destruction of one life and the grave wounding of another,” said president Marjorie Dannenfelser in a statement.

The exchange prompted immediate questions for other Republican candidates about how they would enforce an “abortion ban”.

Ohio governor and Republican nominee hopeful John Kasich told Chuck Todd the same afternoon that punishing women who have illegal abortions, in the hypothetical situation that there were a ban, was not “an appropriate response”.


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Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.

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#21. To: christine (#0)

Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.

A nation made up of such a diverse population and its political leaders aren't honestly capable of deciding this issue for everyone with a one law fits all type of legislation. The government should have no say whatsoever and a President, regardless of his own personal belief system needs to understand the limits of his authority over other people's personal decisions.

That being said I am opposed to abortion. I do not think the State or the FEDS should have anything to say in the matter nor should taxpayer money be utilized to fund such a divisive issue. All decisions of this nature should be left to the parties involved, Doctor, and couple requiring procedure. These parties will answer for their decision but should have no need to answer to some bureaucrat.

Another thing, Trump without the "T" is simply an ASS (Rump). This election cycle should be enough to make any thinking individual nauseous enough to ask - who are these creeps and how is it they have managed to get so intricately involved in what I once thought was my life ?

We must stop giving these freaks power over our lives. Kill the banks !

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#23. To: noone222 (#21)

who are these creeps and how is it they have managed to get so intricately involved in what I once thought was my life ?

We must stop giving these freaks power over our lives. Kill the banks !

It is an intricate and tangled web they have woven around us to control our actions. Much of this has to do with the Social Security Number and how it is used, plus if you vote, or not.

Once your birth is registered (now you get your SSN at birth) it initiates a series of actions that tie you into their system. It is much like the movies about the Matrix. We all want to be free from their system of control, but it is difficult to do so.

Personally, I have me Security Agreement on file with the Secretary of State of my State, and this gives my claim priority over all others. And this includes the State and Federal income taxes which can be paid by Assignment of Account.

Unfortunately, my Payee at the Courthouse has nullified my Security Agreement by paying those scoundrels. And I intend to end this once and for all at the earliest possibility. ;)

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#26. To: noone222 (#21)

I am in complete agreement with you. Well said, as always.

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