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Title: Donald Trump: women who get illegal abortions should be 'punished'
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URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ ... ump-women-abortions-punishment
Published: Mar 30, 2016
Author: The Guardian
Post Date: 2016-03-30 18:11:14 by christine
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Views: 1065
Comments: 81
Women who have illegal abortions should be punished, Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump said on Wednesday. Trump was asked by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews to define his “pro-life” stance and assertions that abortion should be banned. “Do you believe in punishment for abortion – yes or no – as a principle?” asked Matthews, during the taping of a town hall event. “The answer is there has to be some form of punishment,” said Trump. “For the woman?” Matthews said. “Yeah, there has to be some form,” Trump replied. “Ten cents, 10 years, what?” Matthews asked again, pressing. “That I don’t know,” said Trump. Asked about a ban, the Republican frontrunner said that people would circumvent it: “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places, but we have to ban it.” 'No hate in our state': undercover protesters take on Trump in Wisconsin Read more The 90-second exchange is likely to inflame Democratic pro-choice advocates, Republicans who have criticized Trump for flip-flopping on the issue, and anti-abortion advocates who may call Trump’s comments a misunderstanding of their stance. In a 1999 interview, Trump described himself as “pro-choice in every respect”, and also said he would not “ban abortion” if he was ever elected president. But his position as a presidential candidate has changed starkly. Trump later tried to clarify his position in a statement, but stopped short of retracting his view stated on MSNBC that women should be punished. However, Trump seemed to acknowledge that the establishment of any anti-abortion law would fall to Congress or state legislatures. “If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed – like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions,” the statement said. Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton called the comments “horrific and telling”. Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the political arm of America’s best-known abortion provider, said the statements were tantamount to an incitement of violence. The Susan B Anthony List, an anti-abortion group, attempted to clarify the position of the anti-abortion lobby, calling Trump a “convert” to the movement. “[Let] us be clear: punishment is solely for the abortionist who profits off of the destruction of one life and the grave wounding of another,” said president Marjorie Dannenfelser in a statement. The exchange prompted immediate questions for other Republican candidates about how they would enforce an “abortion ban”. Ohio governor and Republican nominee hopeful John Kasich told Chuck Todd the same afternoon that punishing women who have illegal abortions, in the hypothetical situation that there were a ban, was not “an appropriate response”. Poster Comment: Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.
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#18. To: Pinguinite (#12)
Only you have the gravitas to say that ! LOL
Oh, no -- not this. Checking http://newsoftheweird.com as I periodically do, the latest finds there include A Perfect Storm of Vacuousness: In February, British marketing company Havas Helia tapped the "millennial" generation's obsessions with craft beer and data-driven knowledge, announcing the development of 0101 -- a brew created, it said, by social media messages. The company, "finding" that the generation appeared "optimistic," analyzed "thousands" of the generation's messages against 24 human emotions, which it translated to 38 particular emotional states, which were fed into the IBM Watson computer, which selected 10 existing beers, whose recipes were then cribbed to create 0101 (a "cream ale" with honey and two specific kinds of hops, tasting of "optimism, love, imagination, and gentle overtones of excitement"). [IDG News Service (Boston) via PC World, 2-10-2016] I need help. Whether 'tis better to say vacuity, which is less blatantly clear, or vacuousness, which is obvious in meaning but LONGER..... that is the question! TILT! :-s
That certainly didn't take long! No one can give an answer on abortion that will make everyone happy, and it seems to me Trump was basically forced to give an answer when he wasn't prepared to do so. Lack of preparation on this topic, sure that's Trump's bad. But Trump has demonstrated a resiliency. He'll come back in the next few days and cover the topic again with a more well thought out position, probably chastising Matthews for being overly demanding in the process. Trump's position on this topic is being mischaracterized for sure.
A nation made up of such a diverse population and its political leaders aren't honestly capable of deciding this issue for everyone with a one law fits all type of legislation. The government should have no say whatsoever and a President, regardless of his own personal belief system needs to understand the limits of his authority over other people's personal decisions. That being said I am opposed to abortion. I do not think the State or the FEDS should have anything to say in the matter nor should taxpayer money be utilized to fund such a divisive issue. All decisions of this nature should be left to the parties involved, Doctor, and couple requiring procedure. These parties will answer for their decision but should have no need to answer to some bureaucrat. Another thing, Trump without the "T" is simply an ASS (Rump). This election cycle should be enough to make any thinking individual nauseous enough to ask - who are these creeps and how is it they have managed to get so intricately involved in what I once thought was my life ? We must stop giving these freaks power over our lives. Kill the banks ! "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
We may not agree on abortion but we'd have to agree that Trump's response was beyond amateurish ... could it be that Trump got a message from the real power ? Has someone told the billionaire brat to sit down and shut up but try not to be too obvious ? Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
We must stop giving these freaks power over our lives. Kill the banks ! It is an intricate and tangled web they have woven around us to control our actions. Much of this has to do with the Social Security Number and how it is used, plus if you vote, or not. Once your birth is registered (now you get your SSN at birth) it initiates a series of actions that tie you into their system. It is much like the movies about the Matrix. We all want to be free from their system of control, but it is difficult to do so. Personally, I have me Security Agreement on file with the Secretary of State of my State, and this gives my claim priority over all others. And this includes the State and Federal income taxes which can be paid by Assignment of Account. Unfortunately, my Payee at the Courthouse has nullified my Security Agreement by paying those scoundrels. And I intend to end this once and for all at the earliest possibility. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Your position on these matters is just slightly different from mine. (And to be perfectly honest I have chosen NOT to study or use the UCC 1 because it too is part of their scheme. You may be right but my position is to be absolutely separate and independent of their system). Kind of like I can't recognize them as much as they cannot recognize me. Like we exist on two different planes or in two different dimensions oblivious to each other. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
Funny...that's exactly what I thought of today.
I am in complete agreement with you. Well said, as always.
Thanks !
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
Rethink it.... To my knowledge Trump is the ONLY one that has repeated over and over that ...Christianity is under siege worldwide... None of the other politicians nor the media will touch that with a ten foot pole.
In the past cops went after the doctor, not the woman.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Doesn't exist, unless you're talking about millions of people at cross purposes with each other. "Have Brain, Will Travel
To my knowledge Trump is the ONLY one that has repeated over and over that ...Christianity is under siege worldwide... None of the other politicians nor the media will touch that with a ten foot pole. I guess time will tell. I do appreciate your opinion. I do not trust anything FEDERAL or anyone that joins that club. I've witnessed these vermin manipulate the people of our country my entire lifetime. I've seen enough of their perpetual antics and propaganda. All I will say in their favor is that they're very good at being terrible. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
Case in point... Trump ad libs a lot of flubs that are off base. However now and again he inserts some small item that no one questions, or complains about etc. Case in point, his assertions about siege on Christianity has brought zero comments, ridicule or otherwise. Another...One night he stated why we are in Afghanistan, something the government nor anyone else will talk about. From the nay sayers and media, not a whisper, total silence. Trump is not stupid.
I have never accused him of that problem. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
Trump won't be allowed to succeed. I believe he could be one of US. But if he does expose the bastards that are playing the part of his loyal competition then he will open a lot of before the end of America in real terms that everyone who's been sleeping can understand. Either way the country is in for a rude collapse. It is inevitable. IMO
Say what we will about Alex Jones; psyop or Patriot. He believes Trump is 'one of us'. fwiw
Fact Check: Did Trump say in '98 Republicans are dumb? USA! USA! Today! :) "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Thanks. Having watched the Trump/Matthews exchange for the first time, it's clear Matthews was really, really pressing him for an answer. I think the doom and gloom commentary they discuss based on this exchange is just that. The only fault Trump demonstrated was lack of preparation on the issue. But the people who like Trump like him for reasons having nothing to do with good mentally prepared soundbites, but rather because he's honest enough to say what he thinks, which is something politicians don't do. Ever see the movie Bulworth?
Politicians generally speak from both sides of their mouths. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
True... That is why the establishment is in a bind. Now he is not promising to back a pub candidate, the system is in a dither. First time in my lifetime that big money has not run the election. Lets suppose Trump wins. There is NO ONE in the establishment can make a phone call and make him do what they want done. I like that. I will vote twice for Trump.
If Trump were serious he would have been better prepared. It's looking more and more like he's a ringer to throw the election to Hillary. "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Better prepared to answer every question that might be asked about the role the federal government plays in all aspects of American life from cradle to grave, not to mention the role in plays is lives that are not even American or living in America? I think that's asking a bit much, really. I'd say the percentage of ordinary Americans that could do that is pretty slim. Sure, it's unfortunate he wasn't prepared on this question, but if there's one thing Trump is, it's serious. Certainly he's rich but he's spending his own money on this campaign and putting himself in the spotlight.
He shoots from the hip a lot for sure! And he's got no shortage of ammo!
We are going down. Trump has a lifeboat and I will try that rather than go down with the ship.
Here's a short clip from Bulworth. Out of despair, a senator puts a contract out on his own life to benefit his family and then begins to campaign for reelection with no allegiances to anyone.
Yes, he would have axed me first! :) "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
We agree on this Brother.
Trump may be running out of hot aire to keep his rubber-ducky afloat.
Didn't Trump just say nice things about Planned Parenthood ?! He can't get nailed for this and then not consider that. Who's going to be left to bash him ?? And is ameri@a going to fight over the last murdered baby ? We are talking about EXTINCTION OF A COUNTRY in no uncertain terms. asheepnomore.net/2016/03/15/the-un-have-unveiled-their-master-plan-for-the-next-14- years- its-terrifying/ I've pretty much played out my Trump is Clinton buddies stretchy cord play toy. Get Up And Kill!!! "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Move to Tulsa, immediately. Save yourself while there's still time. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
ROFL
I think I have, but too long ago to remember it.
Show me the numbers, I'm listening. "We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Ok, yes, I do remember that scene. That was good. :)
When I was a very much younger person I had a hard time believing that our country was hated by much of the world, now I have no doubt and understand so well why that's true. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
That is a pretty broad statement if we consider that the real international banking/corporate establishment isn't the least bit concerned about how many people they murder to maintain control. It's probably true with regard to someone in the establishment trying to bribe Trump with money but we all have an Achilles heel in having family members that we love open to attack. "Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day". "The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck". "White Lives Matter Most if you're white" Doug Scheidt
That article has a lot of great links in it, thanks
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
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#19. To: All (#13)
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#20. To: christine (#14)
#21. To: christine (#0)
Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.
#22. To: christine (#14)
#23. To: noone222 (#21)
who are these creeps and how is it they have managed to get so intricately involved in what I once thought was my life ?
#24. To: BTP Holdings (#23)
#25. To: noone222 (#22)
Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe.
#26. To: noone222 (#21)
#27. To: christine (#26)
#28. To: Pinguinite (#20)
#29. To: noone222 (#22)
Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe.
#30. To: Cynicom (#2)
#31. To: noone222 (#22)
Maybe the real power
#32. To: Cynicom (#29)
Rethink it....
#33. To: noone222 (#32)
#34. To: Cynicom (#33)
Trump is not stupid.
#35. To: noone222, Cynicom, all (#34)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#36. To: Cynicom (#33)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#37. To: Rotara, 4um (#36)
#38. To: christine (#28)
#39. To: Pinguinite (#38)
he's honest enough to say what he thinks, which is something politicians don't do.
#40. To: Rotara (#36)
He believes Trump is 'one of us'. fwiw
#41. To: Pinguinite (#38)
Having watched the Trump/Matthews exchange for the first time, it's clear Matthews was really, really pressing him for an answer.
#42. To: Dakmar (#41)
If Trump were serious he would have been better prepared.
#43. To: Cynicom (#33)
Trump ad libs a lot of flubs that are off base.
#44. To: Pinguinite (#43)
He shoots from the hip a lot for sure!
#45. To: All, Christine (#43)
#46. To: Pinguinite (#42)
Better prepared to answer every question that might be asked about the role the federal government plays in all aspects of American life from cradle to grave, not to mention the role in plays is lives that are not even American or living in America?
#47. To: Cynicom (#40)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#48. To: Cynicom (#44)
Trump has a lifeboat and I will try that rather than go down with the ship.
#49. To: Pinguinite (#42)
http://asheepnomore.net
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#50. To: Pridie Nones, Rotara, Christine (#48)
#51. To: Dakmar (#50)
#52. To: Lod, Dak (#51)
"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning
#53. To: Pinguinite (#38)
#54. To: Lod (#51)
Move to Tulsa, immediately.
#55. To: Pinguinite (#45)
#56. To: Rotara (#35)
Either way the country is in for a rude collapse.
#57. To: Cynicom (#40)
There is NO ONE in the establishment can make a phone call and make him do what they want done.
#58. To: Dakmar, artisan (#37)
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