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Title: Donald Trump: women who get illegal abortions should be 'punished'
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URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ ... ump-women-abortions-punishment
Published: Mar 30, 2016
Author: The Guardian
Post Date: 2016-03-30 18:11:14 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 2130
Comments: 81

Women who have illegal abortions should be punished, Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump said on Wednesday.

Trump was asked by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews to define his “pro-life” stance and assertions that abortion should be banned.

“Do you believe in punishment for abortion – yes or no – as a principle?” asked Matthews, during the taping of a town hall event.

“The answer is there has to be some form of punishment,” said Trump.

“For the woman?” Matthews said.

“Yeah, there has to be some form,” Trump replied.

“Ten cents, 10 years, what?” Matthews asked again, pressing.

“That I don’t know,” said Trump.

Asked about a ban, the Republican frontrunner said that people would circumvent it: “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places, but we have to ban it.” 'No hate in our state': undercover protesters take on Trump in Wisconsin Read more

The 90-second exchange is likely to inflame Democratic pro-choice advocates, Republicans who have criticized Trump for flip-flopping on the issue, and anti-abortion advocates who may call Trump’s comments a misunderstanding of their stance.

In a 1999 interview, Trump described himself as “pro-choice in every respect”, and also said he would not “ban abortion” if he was ever elected president. But his position as a presidential candidate has changed starkly.

Trump later tried to clarify his position in a statement, but stopped short of retracting his view stated on MSNBC that women should be punished.

However, Trump seemed to acknowledge that the establishment of any anti-abortion law would fall to Congress or state legislatures.

“If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed – like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions,” the statement said.

Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton called the comments “horrific and telling”.

Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the political arm of America’s best-known abortion provider, said the statements were tantamount to an incitement of violence.

The Susan B Anthony List, an anti-abortion group, attempted to clarify the position of the anti-abortion lobby, calling Trump a “convert” to the movement.

“[Let] us be clear: punishment is solely for the abortionist who profits off of the destruction of one life and the grave wounding of another,” said president Marjorie Dannenfelser in a statement.

The exchange prompted immediate questions for other Republican candidates about how they would enforce an “abortion ban”.

Ohio governor and Republican nominee hopeful John Kasich told Chuck Todd the same afternoon that punishing women who have illegal abortions, in the hypothetical situation that there were a ban, was not “an appropriate response”.


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Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.

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#21. To: christine (#0)

Why didn't Trump think to say it's a state's rights issue, not a POTUS issue. This is really going to add fuel to the misogynist fire. He has got to be more prepared with his answers to questions like these.

A nation made up of such a diverse population and its political leaders aren't honestly capable of deciding this issue for everyone with a one law fits all type of legislation. The government should have no say whatsoever and a President, regardless of his own personal belief system needs to understand the limits of his authority over other people's personal decisions.

That being said I am opposed to abortion. I do not think the State or the FEDS should have anything to say in the matter nor should taxpayer money be utilized to fund such a divisive issue. All decisions of this nature should be left to the parties involved, Doctor, and couple requiring procedure. These parties will answer for their decision but should have no need to answer to some bureaucrat.

Another thing, Trump without the "T" is simply an ASS (Rump). This election cycle should be enough to make any thinking individual nauseous enough to ask - who are these creeps and how is it they have managed to get so intricately involved in what I once thought was my life ?

We must stop giving these freaks power over our lives. Kill the banks !

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-03-31   4:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#14)

We may not agree on abortion but we'd have to agree that Trump's response was beyond amateurish ... could it be that Trump got a message from the real power ? Has someone told the billionaire brat to sit down and shut up but try not to be too obvious ?

Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-03-31   5:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#21)

who are these creeps and how is it they have managed to get so intricately involved in what I once thought was my life ?

We must stop giving these freaks power over our lives. Kill the banks !

It is an intricate and tangled web they have woven around us to control our actions. Much of this has to do with the Social Security Number and how it is used, plus if you vote, or not.

Once your birth is registered (now you get your SSN at birth) it initiates a series of actions that tie you into their system. It is much like the movies about the Matrix. We all want to be free from their system of control, but it is difficult to do so.

Personally, I have me Security Agreement on file with the Secretary of State of my State, and this gives my claim priority over all others. And this includes the State and Federal income taxes which can be paid by Assignment of Account.

Unfortunately, my Payee at the Courthouse has nullified my Security Agreement by paying those scoundrels. And I intend to end this once and for all at the earliest possibility. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-03-31   5:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: BTP Holdings (#23)

Your position on these matters is just slightly different from mine. (And to be perfectly honest I have chosen NOT to study or use the UCC 1 because it too is part of their scheme. You may be right but my position is to be absolutely separate and independent of their system).

Kind of like I can't recognize them as much as they cannot recognize me. Like we exist on two different planes or in two different dimensions oblivious to each other.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-03-31   5:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#22)

Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe.

Funny...that's exactly what I thought of today.

christine  posted on  2016-03-31   14:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#21)

I am in complete agreement with you. Well said, as always.

christine  posted on  2016-03-31   14:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#26)

Thanks !

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-03-31   14:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Pinguinite (#20)

www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-30/trump-says-abortion-ban-should-carry-punishment-for-women

watch :)

christine  posted on  2016-03-31   15:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#22)

Maybe the real power has instructed the Donald to ease himself out of the contest without declaring his family has been threatened like Perot's ... just maybe.

Rethink it....

To my knowledge Trump is the ONLY one that has repeated over and over that ...Christianity is under siege worldwide...

None of the other politicians nor the media will touch that with a ten foot pole.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-03-31   16:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#2)

In the past cops went after the doctor, not the woman.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2016-03-31   16:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: noone222 (#22)

Maybe the real power

Doesn't exist, unless you're talking about millions of people at cross purposes with each other.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2016-03-31   16:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#29)

Rethink it....

To my knowledge Trump is the ONLY one that has repeated over and over that ...Christianity is under siege worldwide...

None of the other politicians nor the media will touch that with a ten foot pole.

I guess time will tell. I do appreciate your opinion. I do not trust anything FEDERAL or anyone that joins that club. I've witnessed these vermin manipulate the people of our country my entire lifetime. I've seen enough of their perpetual antics and propaganda. All I will say in their favor is that they're very good at being terrible.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-03-31   19:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: noone222 (#32)

Case in point...

Trump ad libs a lot of flubs that are off base.

However now and again he inserts some small item that no one questions, or complains about etc.

Case in point, his assertions about siege on Christianity has brought zero comments, ridicule or otherwise.

Another...One night he stated why we are in Afghanistan, something the government nor anyone else will talk about. From the nay sayers and media, not a whisper, total silence. Trump is not stupid.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-03-31   19:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#33)

Trump is not stupid.

I have never accused him of that problem.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-03-31   19:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: noone222, Cynicom, all (#34)

Trump won't be allowed to succeed. I believe he could be one of US. But if he does expose the bastards that are playing the part of his loyal competition then he will open a lot of before the end of America in real terms that everyone who's been sleeping can understand. Either way the country is in for a rude collapse. It is inevitable. IMO


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-03-31   20:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#33)

Say what we will about Alex Jones; psyop or Patriot. He believes Trump is 'one of us'. fwiw


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-03-31   20:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rotara, 4um (#36)

Fact Check: Did Trump say in '98 Republicans are dumb?

USA! USA! Today! :)

"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog

Dakmar  posted on  2016-03-31   20:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#28)

Thanks. Having watched the Trump/Matthews exchange for the first time, it's clear Matthews was really, really pressing him for an answer. I think the doom and gloom commentary they discuss based on this exchange is just that. The only fault Trump demonstrated was lack of preparation on the issue. But the people who like Trump like him for reasons having nothing to do with good mentally prepared soundbites, but rather because he's honest enough to say what he thinks, which is something politicians don't do.

Ever see the movie Bulworth?

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-03-31   20:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Pinguinite (#38)

he's honest enough to say what he thinks, which is something politicians don't do.

Politicians generally speak from both sides of their mouths. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-03-31   20:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rotara (#36)

He believes Trump is 'one of us'. fwiw

True...

That is why the establishment is in a bind.

Now he is not promising to back a pub candidate, the system is in a dither.

First time in my lifetime that big money has not run the election.

Lets suppose Trump wins.

There is NO ONE in the establishment can make a phone call and make him do what they want done.

I like that. I will vote twice for Trump.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-03-31   20:42:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pinguinite (#38)

Having watched the Trump/Matthews exchange for the first time, it's clear Matthews was really, really pressing him for an answer.

If Trump were serious he would have been better prepared. It's looking more and more like he's a ringer to throw the election to Hillary.

"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog

Dakmar  posted on  2016-03-31   20:55:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Dakmar (#41)

If Trump were serious he would have been better prepared.

Better prepared to answer every question that might be asked about the role the federal government plays in all aspects of American life from cradle to grave, not to mention the role in plays is lives that are not even American or living in America?

I think that's asking a bit much, really. I'd say the percentage of ordinary Americans that could do that is pretty slim.

Sure, it's unfortunate he wasn't prepared on this question, but if there's one thing Trump is, it's serious. Certainly he's rich but he's spending his own money on this campaign and putting himself in the spotlight.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-03-31   21:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Cynicom (#33)

Trump ad libs a lot of flubs that are off base.

He shoots from the hip a lot for sure!

And he's got no shortage of ammo!

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-03-31   21:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Pinguinite (#43)

He shoots from the hip a lot for sure!

We are going down.

Trump has a lifeboat and I will try that rather than go down with the ship.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-03-31   21:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: All, Christine (#43)

Here's a short clip from Bulworth. Out of despair, a senator puts a contract out on his own life to benefit his family and then begins to campaign for reelection with no allegiances to anyone.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-03-31   22:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Pinguinite (#42)

Better prepared to answer every question that might be asked about the role the federal government plays in all aspects of American life from cradle to grave, not to mention the role in plays is lives that are not even American or living in America?

Yes, he would have axed me first! :)

"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog

Dakmar  posted on  2016-03-31   22:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#40)

We agree on this Brother.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-03-31   22:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#44)

Trump has a lifeboat and I will try that rather than go down with the ship.

Trump may be running out of hot aire to keep his rubber-ducky afloat.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2016-03-31   22:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Pinguinite (#42)

http://asheepnomore.net

Didn't Trump just say nice things about Planned Parenthood ?! He can't get nailed for this and then not consider that. Who's going to be left to bash him ?? And is ameri@a going to fight over the last murdered baby ? We are talking about EXTINCTION OF A COUNTRY in no uncertain terms.

asheepnomore.net/2016/03/15/the-un-have-unveiled-their-master-plan-for-the-next-14- years- its-terrifying/


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-03-31   22:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Pridie Nones, Rotara, Christine (#48)

I've pretty much played out my Trump is Clinton buddies stretchy cord play toy.

Get Up And Kill!!!

"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog

Dakmar  posted on  2016-03-31   22:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Dakmar (#50)

Move to Tulsa, immediately.

Save yourself while there's still time.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-03-31   22:55:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Lod, Dak (#51)

ROFL


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-03-31   22:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Pinguinite (#38)

I think I have, but too long ago to remember it.

christine  posted on  2016-03-31   22:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Lod (#51)

Move to Tulsa, immediately.

Show me the numbers, I'm listening.

"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog

Dakmar  posted on  2016-03-31   22:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Pinguinite (#45)

Ok, yes, I do remember that scene. That was good. :)

christine  posted on  2016-03-31   23:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Rotara (#35)

Either way the country is in for a rude collapse.

When I was a very much younger person I had a hard time believing that our country was hated by much of the world, now I have no doubt and understand so well why that's true.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-03-31   23:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom (#40)

There is NO ONE in the establishment can make a phone call and make him do what they want done.

That is a pretty broad statement if we consider that the real international banking/corporate establishment isn't the least bit concerned about how many people they murder to maintain control.

It's probably true with regard to someone in the establishment trying to bribe Trump with money but we all have an Achilles heel in having family members that we love open to attack.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-04-01   5:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Dakmar, artisan (#37)

That article has a lot of great links in it, thanks

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-04-01   5:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Pinguinite (#38)

it's clear Matthews was really, really pressing him for an answer.

Matthews affirmed his Catholic faith but then equivocated between moral authority and legal authority respecting the abortion issue. He is a double minded man and a great example of one who is willing to sell his soul in order to maintain his lifestyle. Matthews is a piece of shit working for an anti-American propaganda outlet. Which begs the question in my mind, how many of us are willing to shelve our true values for some material advantage or benefit.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-04-01   5:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: noone222 (#57)

That is a pretty broad statement if

No...

Well, when we choose, lets look at the alternative, Hillary Clinton.....

Shot or hung??? Then one could abstain, something I have done for a very long time. Hillary is standing on the stern saying she will save the the Titanic and all its people.

Trump has a leaky lifeboat and a pair of "oars". I will take my chances cause I think the Titanic is gonna go down.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-04-01   6:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#60)

the Titanic is gonna go down.

Don't give up the ship of state. It may flounder a bit, but will not sink. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-04-01   7:16:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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