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Title: Congratulating Jewish communities on their seven year completion of the 11th cycle of the daily study of the Talmud.
Source: US House of Representatives
URL Source: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.res.00124:
Published: Mar 1, 2005
Author: Rep Weiner, Anthony D. [NY-9]
Post Date: 2005-03-16 10:32:41 by 1776
Keywords: Congratulating, communities, completion
Views: 368
Comments: 28

Bill Summary & Status for the 109th Congress
H.RES.124
Title: Congratulating Jewish communities on their seven year completion of the 11th cycle of the daily study of the Talmud.
Sponsor: Rep Weiner, Anthony D. [NY-9] (introduced 3/1/2005) Cosponsors (56)
Latest Major Action: 3/1/2005 Passed/agreed to in House.
Status: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by voice vote.

Rep Weiner, Anthony D. [NY-9]
Whereas the 11th cycle of the daily learning of the 2,711 pages in the Babylonian Talmud, through the Daf Hayomi study program will culminate on March 1, 2005, the 20th day of Adar... (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)

HRES 124 EH

H. Res. 124

In the House of Representatives, U.S.,

March 1, 2005.

Whereas the 11th cycle of the daily learning of the 2,711 pages in the Babylonian Talmud, through the Daf Hayomi study program will culminate on March 1, 2005, the 20th day of Adar I 5765 in the Jewish calendar;

Whereas this will complete a formidable 7 1/2 year educational and daily study cycle introduced in 1923 at Agudath Israel's first International Congress in Vienna by Polish Rabbi Meir Shapiro, whose purpose was `to enhance the sense of unity of Jews worldwide';

Whereas Jews throughout the world will be celebrating joyously in honor of the celebration, including 120,000 Jews in North America, and more than 50,000 in 3 major locations in the New York area will be technologically and spiritually linked to hundreds of similar celebrations throughout the world;

Whereas the 10th Daf Yomi cycle was completed on September 28, 1997 with 26,000 people at Madison Square Garden linked by satellite to dozens of communities around the world;

Whereas the teachers and students of the Talmud have displayed the remarkable ability to take individual efforts and combine them in striving toward a common vision and goal; and

Whereas this monumental achievement in study, dedication, perseverance, and persistence is a lesson for contemporary society and for people of good will everywhere: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives congratulates the students and teachers of the Daf Yomi program on the occasion of their celebration of the completion of the 11th cycle of the Daf Hayomi, and wishes them well on beginning the 12th cycle.

Attest:

Clerk. Introduced and passed on 3/1/05. List of Jewish Supremacists below:

COSPONSORS(56), ALPHABETICAL

Rep Ackerman, Gary L. [NY-5] - 3/1/2005
Rep Beauprez, Bob [CO-7] - 3/1/2005
Rep Berkley, Shelley [NV-1] - 3/1/2005
Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] - 3/1/2005
Rep Bishop, Timothy H. [NY-1] - 3/1/2005
Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 3/1/2005
Rep Cannon, Chris [UT-3] - 3/1/2005
Rep Cantor, Eric [VA-7] - 3/1/2005
Rep Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD-3] - 3/1/2005
Rep Cox, Christopher [CA-48] - 3/1/2005
Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-7] - 3/1/2005
Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 3/1/2005
Rep Davis, Susan A. [CA-53] - 3/1/2005
Rep DeLauro, Rosa L. [CT-3] - 3/1/2005
Rep Engel, Eliot L. [NY-17] - 3/1/2005
Rep Ferguson, Mike [NJ-7] - 3/1/2005
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 3/1/2005
Rep Fossella, Vito [NY-13] - 3/1/2005
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/1/2005
Rep Harman, Jane [CA-36] - 3/1/2005
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. [NY-22] - 3/1/2005
Rep Holden, Tim [PA-17] - 3/1/2005
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 3/1/2005
Rep Israel, Steve [NY-2] - 3/1/2005
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 3/1/2005
Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 3/1/2005
Rep Leach, James A. [IA-2] - 3/1/2005
Rep Lowey, Nita M. [NY-18] - 3/1/2005
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/1/2005
Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] - 3/1/2005
Rep McCotter, Thaddeus G. [MI-11] - 3/1/2005
Rep McNulty, Michael R. [NY-21] - 3/1/2005
Rep Menendez, Robert [NJ-13] - 3/1/2005
Rep Michaud, Michael H. [ME-2] - 3/1/2005
Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] - 3/1/2005
Rep Ney, Robert W. [OH-18] - 3/1/2005
Rep Norwood, Charlie [GA-9] - 3/1/2005
Rep Pallone, Frank, Jr. [NJ-6] - 3/1/2005
Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 3/1/2005
Rep Portman, Rob [OH-2] - 3/1/2005
Rep Rothman, Steven R. [NJ-9] - 3/1/2005
Rep Sanders, Bernard [VT] - 3/1/2005
Rep Saxton, Jim [NJ-3] - 3/1/2005
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 3/1/2005
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-29] - 3/1/2005
Rep Schwartz, Allyson Y. [PA-13] - 3/1/2005
Rep Shimkus, John [IL-19] - 3/1/2005
Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] - 3/1/2005
Rep Terry, Lee [NE-2] - 3/1/2005
Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] - 3/1/2005
Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [FL-20] - 3/1/2005
Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] - 3/1/2005
Rep Waxman, Henry A. [CA-30] - 3/1/2005
Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 3/1/2005
Rep Wolf, Frank R. [VA-10] - 3/1/2005
Rep Wynn, Albert Russell [MD-4] - 3/1/2005

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#1. To: christine, honway, Red Jones, Brian S, robin, Itisa1mosttoolate, Zipporah, Jethro Tull, wbales, Don, tom007, Bayonne, Jhoffa_ (#0)

Whereas the teachers and students of the Talmud have displayed the remarkable ability to take individual efforts and combine them in striving toward a common vision and goal

I think the term is "chutzpah"

For your information

1776  posted on  2005-03-16   10:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: 1776 (#1)

Source: US House of Representatives

ahem.

christine  posted on  2005-03-16   11:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#2)

But please no Christ at the White House on Christmas and NO mall Easter Egg hunts, that is all too hateful.

1776  posted on  2005-03-16   11:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: 1776, Dakmar (#1)

I know I'm really proud that at least three of my state's cheesedicks have their names on this. How about you Dak ol' buddy?

Esso  posted on  2005-03-16   11:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Esso (#4)

It also reads like a Who's Who of anti-gunners

1776  posted on  2005-03-16   11:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: 1776 (#0)

For a more extensive list in more areas answers.com

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-03-16   11:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: 1776 (#5)

Figures.

Esso  posted on  2005-03-16   11:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Esso (#4)

I know I'm really proud that at least three of my state's cheesedicks have their names on this. How about you Dak ol' buddy?

What's that you say? I was busy looking for info to connect Pat Buchannan to the killing of that judge in Chicago.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-03-16   11:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: 1776 (#1)

I reckon we Christians should be saying prayers of gratitude that it is only a resolution with no teeth as compared to a bill that would force a mandate on the entire publik educashun sistem to study the torah for 7-1/2 years.

Given the greatness of the publik educashun sistem in this country, it would take the 12 years of elementary, middle, and high schools to accomplish the mandated goal.

And then again, at the same time, we should be stoning, to use the Biblical sense of justice, these sonsabitches for something like this when they wouldn't sign their frickin names as a co-sponsor of legislation to force congress to list the enumerating clause of the Constitution into all their bills. And for all the assholes who are reading this and wanna do a TIPS snitch report, please do so. Just be forewarned: Stoning did not always result in death...reference the life of Paul of Tarsus.

rowdee  posted on  2005-03-16   11:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: 1776 (#0)

Ya think congress actually reads these bills?

Talmudic Quotes:

The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.

Rabbi Menachen, Comments for the Fifth Book

Jehovah himself in heaven studies the Talmud, standing: he has such respect for that book.

Tractate Mechilla/Me'ilah

R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance; it is our inheritance, not theirs. Then why is this not included in the Noachian laws? — On the reading morasha [an inheritance] he steals it; on the reading me'orasah [betrothed], he is guilty as one who violates a betrothed maiden, who is stoned. An objection is raised: R. Meir used to say. Whence do we know that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest? From the verse, [Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments:] which, if man do, he shall live in them. Priests, Levites, and Israelites are not mentioned, but men: hence thou mayest learn that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest! — That refers to their own seven laws.

Sanhedrin 59a

To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

Libbre David 37

A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17

We beg Thee, O Lord, indict Thy wrath on the nations not believing in Thee, and not calling on Thy name. Let down Thy wrath on them and inflict them with Thy wrath. Drive them away in Thy wrath and crush them into pieces. Take away, O Lord, all bone from them. In a moment indict all disbelievers. Destroy in a moment all foes of Thy nation. Draw out with the root, disperse and ruin unworthy nations. Destroy them! Destroy them immediately, in this very moment!

Prayer said on the eve of Passover (Pranajtis: Christianus in Talmudae Judeorum, quotations from: Synagoga Judaica)

The Feast of Tabernacles is the period when Israel triumphs over the other people of the world. That is why during this feast we seize the loulab and carry it as a trophy to show that we have conquered all other peoples, known as "populace"...

Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b

When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.

Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D

Resh Lakish said: He who is observant of fringes will be privileged to be served by two thousand eight hundred slaves, for it is said, Thus saith the Lord of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, etc.

Mas. Shabbath 31b

On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle.

Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII

When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156

If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.

Choschen Hamm 388, 15

Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: "Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh; they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath." At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: "The Lord alone will appear great on that day! . . .

Zohar, Vayshlah 177b

That the Jewish nation is the only nation selected by God, while all the remaining ones are contemptible and hateful.

That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.

A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348

R. Hanina said: If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death; for it is written, And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian. [Ex. 2:12] R. Hanina also said: He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, one who smiteth man [i.e. an Israelite] attacketh the Holy One.

Sanhedrin 58b [In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.]

If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

Tosefta, Aboda Zara, VIII, 5

Has it not been taught: "With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed or [seized] a beautiful woman, or [committed] similar offences, if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean ["Cuthean" or "Samaritan" = goy/gentile/heathen/non-Jew] against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained?" But if robbery is a capital offence, should not the Tanna have taught: He incurs a penalty? — Because the second clause wishes to state, "but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained," therefore the former clause reads, "[theft of an Israelite by a Cuthean] must not be kept." But where a penalty is incurred, it is explicitly stated, for the commencing clause teaches: "For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty?"

Sanhedrin 57a [Translation: A Jew may rob a Goy, but a Goy may not rob a Jew. If a Goy murders another Goy or a Jew, he should be killed, but a Jew will not be incur the death penalty for killing a non-Jew.]

Kill the Goyim by any means possible.

Choshen Ha'mishpat 425:50

Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.

Yalkut 245c

Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.

Zohar, Shemoth

Tob shebbe goyyim harog - Even the best of the Goyim (Gentiles) should be killed.

Soferim 15, Rule 10 [NB: Hoffman says, "This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, 'Gentile,' (p. 617)." Another source says this passage is at Avodah Zara 26b. We have not been able to verify any of these references. It does not seem to be at Avodah Zara 26b of the Soncino edition.]

What is [the meaning of] Mount Sinai? The mountain whereon there descended hostility [sin'ah ] toward idolaters [non-Jews].

Shabbath 89a

The same has been taught as follows: If the ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite [non-Jew] there is no liability, but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite . . . the payment is to be in full, as it is said: He stood and measured the earth, he beheld and drove asunder the nations [Gentiles], and again, He shined forth from Mount Paran. . . implying that from Paran he exposed their money to Israel.

Baba Kama 38a [Trans: The property of the Israelite is more valuable than that of the Gentile. Mount Paran refers to Deut. 33:2, where God offered the law to the nations (Gentiles), who rejected it. The money of the Gentiles is available to the Israelites.]

ONE SHOULD NOT PLACE CATTLE IN HEATHENS' INNS, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF IMMORAL PRACTICE WITH THEM. A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE ALONE WITH THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF LEWDNESS, NOR SHOULD A MAN BE ALONE WITH THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF SHEDDING BLOOD. . .

Why then should we not leave female animals alone with female heathens? — Said Mar 'Ukba b. Hama: Because heathens frequent their neighbours' wives, and should one by chance not find her in, and find the cattle there, he might use it immorally. You may also say that even if he should find her in he might use the animal, as a Master has said: Heathens prefer the cattle of Israelites to their own wives, for R. Johanan said: When the serpent came unto Eve he infused filthy lust into her.

Avodah Zarah 22a-b

He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over heathens or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: Upon the flesh of man [adam] shall it not be poured; and cattle and vessels are not man. Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not man. But why is one exempt in the case of heathens; are they not in the category of adam?—No, it is written: And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are adam [man]: Ye are called adam but heathens are not called ‘adam. But is it not written: And the persons [adam] were sixteen thousand? — Because it is used in opposition to cattle. But is it not written: And should I not have pity on Nineveh [that great city, wherein are more than six score thousand persons [adam]? — This too is used in opposition to cattle.

Mas. K'rithoth 6b [This passage refers to anointing with oil. "Heathens," i.e., Gentiles, are not "adam" or man but are equated with cattle]

An objection was raised: And the persons were sixteen thousand!—This is due to [the mention of] cattle. Wherein are more than six-score thousand persons that cannot discern between their right and their left hand!—This is due [to the mention of] cattle.

Mas. Yevamoth 61b [Again non-Jews are referred to as "cattle."]

All Israelites will have a part in the future world . . . The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell.

Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha

Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.

Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L

Everything a Jew needs for his church ritual no goy is permitted to manufacture, but only a Jew, because this must be manufactured by human beings and the Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings.

Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39

A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.

Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348

A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.

Gad. Shas. 2:2

A boy-goy after nine years and one day old, and a girl after three years and one day old, are considered filthy.

Pereferkowicz, Talmud t.v., p. 11

Raba stated: With reference to the Rabbinical statement that [legally] an Egyptian [Gentile] has no father, it must not be imagined that this is due to [the Egyptians'] excessive indulgence in carnal gratification, owing to which it is not known [who the father was], but that if this were known it is to be taken into consideration; but [the fact is] that even if this is known it is not taken into consideration. . . . Thus it may be inferred that the All Merciful declared their children to be legally fatherless, for [so indeed it is also] written, Whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

Yevamoth 98a [Trans.: A non-Jew is "legally fatherless," regardless of whether or not the father is known. Gentile children are essentially asses and horses, i.e., animals.

[The daughters of the heathens] should be considered as in the state of niddah [filth] from their cradle . . .

Avodah Zarah 36b

They decreed in connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal emission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit pederasty with him. . . . It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen girl [communicates defilement] from the age of three years and one day, for inasmuch as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious!

Avodah Zarah 36b-37a

R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition [intercourse], and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. The penalty of adultery may be incurred through her; [if a niddah] she defiles him who has connection with her, so that he in turn defiles that upon which he lies, as a garment which has lain upon [a person afflicted with gonorrhoea].

Sanhedrin 55b

Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that.24 (24) I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.

Sanhedrin 54b

Raba said. It means this: When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this [three years old], it is as if one puts the finger into the eye; but when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman he makes her as ‘a girl who is injured by a piece of wood.’ . . .

Kethuboth 11b [This debate concerns whether or not someone is a virgin. Virginity is prized above all, such that it is believed that a girl under the age of three will regain her virginity, even if a man has had intercourse with her. (Fn. 7 says, in regard to putting "the finger into the eye": "I.e., tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years.") Since virginity is prized above all, one could assume that this conclusion has allowed grown men to have sex with little girls with immunity. A grown-up woman is not deflowered by having sex with a small boy, however, since he is only like a "piece of wood."]

It was taught: R. Judah used to say, A man is bound to say the following three blessings daily: "[Blessed art thou . . .] who hast not made me a heathen," ". . . . who hast not made me a woman"; and " . . . who hast not made me a brutish man." R. Aha b. Jacob once overhead his son saying "[Blessed art thou . . .] who hast not made me a brutish man," whereupon he said to him, "And this too!" Said the other, "Then what blessing should I say instead?" [He replied,] . . . who hast not made me a slave." And is not that the same as a woman? - a slave is more contemptible.

Menachoth 43b-44a [A "prayer" or "benediction" to be said by a Jewish man every day: "Thank God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave."]

Do not save Goyim in danger of death.

Show no mercy to the Goyim.

Hilkkoth Akum X1

A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.

Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122

And he who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, ‘Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null.1 [HIS VOWS ARE THEN INVALID,] PROVIDING THAT HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW.

Nedarim 23b [Essentially the "Kol Nidre" prayer said every year at Yom Kippur. Fn. 1 says: "This may have provided a support for the custom of reciting Kol Nidre (a formula for dispensation of vows) prior to the Evening Service of the Day of Atonement (Ran.). The context makes it perfectly obvious that only vows, where the maker abjures benefit from aught, or imposes an interdict of his own property upon his neighbour, are referred to. Though the beginning of the year (New Year) is mentioned here, the Day of Atonement was probably chosen on account of its great solemnity. But Kol Nidre as part of the ritual is later than the Talmud, and, as seen from the following statement about R. Huna h. Hinena, the law of revocation in advance was not made public."]

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-16   15:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

You left out the often neglected passage from Hilkkoth Akum Page 94, Sec. 9, Para. 5:

And American goy shall tithe 40% of thier foreign aid to Israel in perpetuity.

[Or something to that effect.]

wbales  posted on  2005-03-16   22:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: wbales (#11)

And American goy shall tithe 40% of thier foreign aid to Israel in perpetuity.

Now that's funny (g)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-16   22:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

But it does seem ordained.

wbales  posted on  2005-03-16   22:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: wbales (#11)

LOL! I wish it wasn't funny, for it's only funny because it's true.

robin  posted on  2005-03-16   22:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Samuel Gray (#10)

ping to #10

(their own words)

christine  posted on  2005-03-16   22:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#15)

Samuel Gray. Yes. Hhhmm.

You did notice that Mr. Gray declined my Palo Verde-esque invitation to discuss the merits and substance of the issue on that other thread. Alas.

wbales  posted on  2005-03-16   22:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

This alone should tell you something..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   22:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jhoffa_ (#17)

Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.

Oh my, what crackpots. And we should take the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center as experts on hate? No thanks. I can read and comprehend what I've read.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-16   22:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Wow! We've broken nearly all of Big Moe's Top Ten..

That's Holy! That's got to be Holy!

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-16   22:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#15)

ADL lies about Talmud--so what else is new?

1776  posted on  2005-03-16   22:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: wbales (#16)

Not interested in this subject matter. I don't believe there is a conspiracy world wide involving Jews/Zionists, whatever.

You're not going to convince me otherwise, and your mind is obviously made up, so...why waste time and bandwidth?

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   22:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jhoffa_ (#19)

Repent.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-16   22:51:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#15)

Huh? I've really slept since then, but why'd you ping me to this?

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   22:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Samuel Gray (#21)

You're not going to convince me otherwise, and your mind is obviously made up, so...why waste time and bandwidth?

Oh. OK. Pretend ADL/SPLC/ACLU/Hollywood/AIPAC/JINSA/NAACP and, of course, Israel don't exist. Fine for you. But do please refrain from jumping in with inane/snide comments when concerned adults are discussing the above.

wbales  posted on  2005-03-16   23:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: wbales (#24)

Thanks, but I think I reserve the right to speak whenever I please and you're just going to have to deal.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-03-16   23:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Samuel Gray (#23)

I pinged you to it because your attitude seems to be that our concerns are meritless and you've voiced criticisms of many posters here. I thought perhaps you'd be interested in reading their words and sentiments about we lesser beings for a better of understanding, but your mind seems closed.

christine  posted on  2005-03-16   23:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Samuel Gray (#21)

“An insightfully provocative drama that freshly addresses all the major human conundrums; an unforgettable evening of theatre,” is what the advertisement promised; ”A tediously pretentious rehashing of long discredited sophomoric, mental caterwauling; a complete waste of time,” countered a revered reviewer, and one man who somehow ended up on planet Earth mused; “No doubt I am in for an interesting time, to be in a place where, criticism passes for intelligence,” a comment which, while contextually comprehensible, is a bit excessive once one recognizes the true quality of those human activities not directly connected to food, sex, or getting in out of the cold.

To a man with the always-open, cold blooded, impartial view of a fish I, the constructional facts of this planet are plain: there is the hard reality of what you find already here, stuff just laying around on, and in the ground; stuff to eat, stuff to drink, stuff to heat and forge into other more useful stuff. Then there is another kind of, non-laying-around reality, which was not already here before humans appeared; stuff that now exists only because men’s minds made the stuff up: plays, sciences, symphonies, religions, philosophies, and stories of all stripes, all the stuff that humans use to fill up the times between eating, fucking and sleeping; stuff that can be quite entertaining, but stuff whose history, ordinary minds ignore.

A man with that non standard longing permits his thinking to do so at his own severe expense, in that he will waste his energy attempting to blow away smoke dreams of windmills, and correct the voices that speak for made-up stuff.

Dirt is real -- all ideas are made up, even ideas that ideas afterward proclaim to be of supreme significance; (such as ideas purporting to pinpoint man’s origin, and to describe reality after his death).

The intrinsic and ignored power of ideas is in the fact that once they have made up a new notion they can immediately ignore the fact that they just made it up, and instantly start to treat the new, made-up idea as though it is as naturally real and solid as any rock a man might find laying around on the ground.

You can do it if you wanna -- you’re supposed to do it -- as a human being you’re entitled to do it; you can -- Do It If You Wanna! -- but if you DO -- you’re gonna find yourself living partially, (if not largely), in a life filled with explanations, but with no comprehension.

If you go out knowingly to play ball in the rain don’t play the idiot and later pretend to be astonished at the mud on your shoes.

You play with the sleeping -- you sleep; kick around ideas with idiots, and idiot ideas kick you around; critique hack dramatists, find yourself the archivist for all of history’s tabloids.

All criticism is criticism of stuff that man’s mind has made up, (the second reality); no one criticizes REAL reality, (dirt being dirty, water being wet); only idiots seriously playing idiots' games debate the finer points of the rules -- -- there are no rules other than the ones that men’s minds are forever making up as the game goes along.

If you want to criticize something worthwhile, criticize yourself for being moronic enough to pay any attention to the criticism of you expressed by the neural squatters in your head. That criticism is intended for humanity in general; man is supposed to feel, accept, and act on it collectively so as to move things along en masse with the degree to which each individual labors there under being left, apparently to the chance degree of idiocy and susceptibility OF each individual.

If one of your second reality pleasures is, conspiracy theories, consider one, worthwhile: that life conspires to make man -- collectively participate in his own evolution via always thinking about things not as they ARE, but as they COULD be. Thoughts that picture physical reality through the lens of his mental one. Witnessed by his ever increasing longevity, and health, who can, with this present arrangement, find overall fault, but the secret few, (who secretly refuse to be “pushed around” by this collective progress), they see warts aplenty, although it normally takes a life time, (or several, if you are so cheap that you have made yourself pretend to believe in multiple ones), for a man to get a grip on the real name for such blemishes, (which is): ”Mirror, mirror -- Ah, blessed reflection -- wherefore art thy proper sting?!” and that burgeoning cellular voice in the brains of the few shouts back: “Why I’m right cheer!” and - Bing A Bam! -- first thing you know, one part of your head has woke up! wiped its eyes! blowed its nose, and is, by gawd, climbing the hell outta bed -- leaving behind, under the covers, all the endless dramas destined for the broadways of the mind, along with all of the sniveling carpers that are the shills for human consciousness as played out above the cellular level.

Even as you mess around in the collective station of man’s second reality, if you listen to instinct as opposed to vocal thought, you hear cellular reality which is always announcing -- your train.

All aboard! -- ya’ll.

2Trievers  posted on  2005-03-17   5:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Is that like Mr. Clean's Rabbi or something?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-17   6:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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