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War, War, War See other War, War, War Articles Title: US to Syrian Rebels: Quit the Ceasefire and We'll Get You Anti-Aircraft Weapons RI... Give it up for Obama. He sure knows how to incentivise imperial clients to do the right thing. US ostensibly supports the ceasefire in Syria that was agreed at Geneva talks where it was present. But on the other hand is also saying to rebels who are a part of it – don't worry we've got your back, as soon as the ceasifire is over you're getting brand new anti-aircraft weapons and artillery of your own. That's a great incentive to make sure the rebels take the ceasefire seriously and don't try to undermine it, right? Right. The Wall Street Journal with the goodies: The Central Intelligence Agency and its regional partners have drawn up plans to supply more-powerful weapons to moderate rebels in Syria fighting the Russia-backed regime in the event the country’s six-week-old truce collapses, according to U.S. and other officials. That would be the "regional partners" who have zero scruples about supplying Al Qaeda in Syria. But then again even US considers the jihadist, salafist and ultra-sectarian Ahrar ash-Sham to be a moderate group. The preparations for a so-called Plan B center on providing vetted rebel units with weapons systems that would help them in directing attacks against Syrian regime aircraft and artillery positions, the officials said. I guess those weapons would be only good for attacking Syrian aircraft but not also Russian. Right. The Wall Street Journal first reported in February that President Barack Obama’s top military and intelligence advisers were pressing the White House to come up with a Plan B to counter Russia in Syria. Since then, fresh details have emerged on the nature of the new weaponry that could be deployed under the covert program. That's funny. "Plan B" sounds a lot like Plan A: keep on arming Syrian "moderate rebels" and watch as Al Qaeda magically just keeps getting better armed. The preparations were discussed at a secret meeting of spy chiefs in the Middle East just before the cease-fire took effect on Feb. 27 and in follow-on exchanges between intelligence services. In those meetings, officials briefed on the deliberations said, coalition members received provisional assurances from the CIA that they would be given approval to expand support to Syria’s moderate opposition. Coalition members have agreed on the outlines of Plan B, but the White House must still approve the list of specific Plan B weapons systems before they can be introduced to the battlefield. Typical Obama. Waterboy for the Saudis in Yemen, and the Saudis and the Turks in Syria. Watch out for the next interview where he explains just how little he thinks of them as he gives them everything they want. The private message conveyed by U.S. officials to their Russian counterparts, who have backed the Assad regime with air power since last year, has been that the moderate opposition isn’t going away and that a return to full-scale fighting could end up putting more Russian pilots in danger, according to U.S. officials. That's fresh because there is no viable moderate opposition. That's why they fight on the side of Al Qaeda. So the message is we'll give weapons to Al Qaeda friends to kill your pilots? To coalition partners including Turkey and Saudi Arabia, the CIA has twinned assurances that the U.S. will allow the anti-Assad coalition to supply more weapons with warnings that they would be mistaken to go behind Washington’s back to provide weapons systems that Mr. Obama has decided so far not to introduce to the battlefield. The agency’s principal concern focuses on man-portable air-defense systems, known as Manpads. The CIA believes that rebels have obtained a small number of Manpads through illicit channels. Fearing these systems could fall into terrorists’ hands for use against civilian aircraft, the spy agency’s goal now is to prevent more of them from slipping uncontrollably into the war zone, according to U.S. and intelligence officials in the region. That's fresh because with al-Nusra shooting down two Syrian jets in a month, it is clear that someone has introduced MANPADs to Syria already. The only thing that isn't clear is if they went "behind Washington's back" to do it. And if there will be consequences if they have. Oh wait, of course there won't be. There never are. To get U.S. allies to back off their demands, U.S. officials have proposed alternative systems that Washington believes would pose less of a proliferation danger. That is how the U.S. has responded to calls by Turkey and Saudi Arabia for the introduction of a limited number of Manpads in Syria during the Plan B discussions. Officials say the CIA and its regional partners are looking at different types of antiaircraft weapons, including Soviet-era systems that would be less mobile. But alternative systems, such as anti-aircraft batteries which come mounted on vehicles, may be easier targets for Syrian and Russian aircraft, according to officials involved in the deliberations. Which sounds a lot like US officials are getting ready to "concede" and flood the place with missiles. Watch out for Obama to do a Reagan and send jihadis in Syria Stinger equivalents. Of course, that won't blow up in anyone's face. Ever. Poster Comment: che guevera • It would seem to me the U.S. is in violation of the UN charter on several very important issues, such as arming a proxy force to attack another nation, or planes in the air and boots on the ground in a sovereign nation where they are not invited or welcome. The UN charter was basically written by the U.S. and ratified by it's congress making it the law of the land. So go figure that ? It is hilarious that in a country with so many lawyers, and rabid Republicans running around waving the U.S. constitution into the faces of the liberal Democrats, both their political parties use international law and the U.S. constitution like so much toilet paper. Why do the get away with it ? It's the bully principle, backed by the Gangster land threat " whatcha gonna do about it ? ! " The rest of the world needs to start imposing sanctions on the U.S., quit trading with them. period ! Avatar Jim Mooney • 14 hours ago Donald J. Trump's first day in Oval Office, first briefing by CIA, Pentagon, DIA, FBI: Trump: We must destroy ISIS immediately. CIA: We cannot do that, sir. We created them along with Turkey, Saudi, Qatar and others. Trump: The Democrats created them. CIA: We created ISIS, sir. You need them or else you would loose funding from the natural gas lobby. Trump: Stop funding Pakistan. Let India deal with them. CIA: We can't do that. It is Modi in India and not Manmohan. Trump: So what? CIA: Modi will cut Balochistan out of Pak. Trump: I don't care. CIA: India will have peace in Kashmir. They will stop buying our weapons. They will become a superpower. We have to fund Pakistan to keep India busy in Kashmir. Trump: But you have to destroy the Taliban. CIA: Sir, we can't do that. We created the Taliban to keep Russia in check during the 80s. Now they are keeping Pakistan busy and away from their nukes. Trump: We have to destroy terror sponsoring regimes in Middle East. Let us start with the Saudis. Pentagon: Sir, we can't do that. We created those regimes because we wanted their oil. We can't have democracy there as otherwise their people will get that oil and we cannot let their people own it. Trump: Then, let us invade Iran. Pentagon: We cannot do that either, sir. Trump: Why not? CIA: We are talking to them, sir. Trump: What? Why? CIA: We want our stealth drone back. If we attack them, Russia will obliterate us as they did to our buddy ISIS in Syria. Besides we need Iran to keep Israel in check. Trump: Then let us invade Iraq again. CIA: Sir, our friends (ISIS) are already occupying 1/3rd of Iraq. Trump: Why not the whole of Iraq? CIA: We need the Shi'ite gov't of Iraq to keep ISIS in check. Trump: I am banning Muslims from entering US. FBI: We can't do that. Trump: Why not? FBI: Then our own population will become fearless. Trump: I am deporting all illegal migrants to south of the border. Border patrol: You can't do that, sir. Trump: Why not? Border patrol: If they r gone, who will build the wall ? Trump: Build the wall first, you idiots! Border patrol: Then they will be on this side of the wall, sir. Trump: I am banning H1Bs. USCIS: You cannot do that. Chief of staff: Then we will have to outsource the White House to Bangalore, India. Trump: Why the hell did I get elected? CIA: To enjoy the White House, sir! We create the bad guys, you sign off. And then when we sign off you announce that you have destroyed them! Trump: God bless America! --creds to Kartik Dora Grieved che guevera • The helicopters came in on the same planes that took away other equipment during the drawdown. The planes that left needed refitting and didn't have the modern electronics to defeat the missiles. The planes that stayed do have the gear, or fly higher. The helicopters are stuffed full of latest generation electronics. Obviously the Russians are so confident of them that they're going to test them in Syria. Nice article about this here: Why Russia Withdrew Su-25 Assault Aircraft From Syria but Brought in Attack Helicopters che guevera Grieved • This could get dicey again very quick, what if the "rebels" , the more moderate ones that is, got lucky and took down a Russian helicopter. That could well be the goal of the U.S., to maybe draw an over reaction or whatever, keep trying to draw Russia into another Afghanistan like quagmire. Blame the SAM's on Turkey, they are already not fireinds. And Turkey ? is still at it with their Saudi buddies. Assad forces need to encircle some concentrated area, maybe they are doing it in Alleppo now, squeeze it like a pimple and find one of these manpads, as see it's origin. ? Maybe they already know ? As for Russian electronic devices ? I am not military enough ( my son is ) to know if the missile coming from a manpad is electronic enough to be effected. I just read somewhere that the U.S. has changed the shells they provide to the anti-tank weapons to also overcome the reactive armor on the new Russian tanks. Now that is low , on the one hand the U.S. negotiates a truce, with the other they directly arm ISIS to attack Russian tanks, and now maybe helicopters. What a two headed viper. JNDillard • This is a win-win-win-win-win! 1) Obama gets to show the CIA, State, Pentagon that he hasn't given up on showing the flag; 2) Weapons get sold, making wealthy Party supporters and lobbyists happy; 3) weapons systems get tested in real world situations and important data is gathered about Russian countermeasures; 4) The US gets to show the Israelis, Saudis, Turkey and all those wonderful NATO allies that it really does believe Assad must go and that it isn't backing down in a confrontation with that nasty Russian bear; 5) most importantly, Obama pleases the rich "Israel Über Alles" doners that are needed to get Hillary elected. With so many plusses, how could one possibly say no? Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
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