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Title: Creationists: can they be scientists? You bet!
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Answers In Genesis
URL Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/wow/preview/part9.asp
Published: Feb 11, 2006
Author: Pam S. Sheppard
Post Date: 2006-02-11 17:02:42 by A K A Stone
Keywords: Creationists:, scientists?, they
Views: 2398
Comments: 382
As an astrophysicist, Dr. Jason Lisle (author of chapters 5, 6, and 10 of War of the Worldviews) knows that a belief in molecules-to-man evolution is not needed to understand how planets orbit the sun or how telescopes operate. While some evolutionists are spreading the false idea that creationists can’t be real scientists, Lisle is busy doing real science. In fact, he (along with hundreds of other scientists) knows that science works perfectly well without any connection to evolution. Dr. David Menton, cell biologist and popular AiG speaker and writer, has often said that although it is widely believed, “evolution contributes nothing to our understanding of empirical science and thus plays no essential role in biomedical research or education.” As Lisle points out in this chapter, even the rise of technology is not due to a belief in evolution. He writes, “Computers, cellular phones and DVD players all operate based on the laws of physics, which God created. It is because God created a logical, orderly universe and gave us the ability to reason and to be creative that technology is possible.” So, why are there such differences between evolutionary scientists and creation scientists if both groups have the same evidence? Lisle addresses these differing conclusions by explaining that each group starts with different assumptions when interpreting evidence. Creationists and evolutionists have a different view of history, but the way they do science in the present is the same. Lisle writes that both creationists and evolutionists use observation and experimentation to draw conclusions about nature. Since observational scientific theories are capable of being tested in the present, creationists and evolutionists generally agree on these models. For instance, they agree on the nature of gravity, the composition of stars, the speed of light in a vacuum, the size of the solar system, etc. On the other hand, historical events cannot be checked scientifically in the present. We don’t have access to the past. As Lisle points out, we can make educated guesses about the past and can make inferences from fossils and rocks, but we cannot directly test our conclusions because past events cannot be repeated. With evolutionists and creationists having such different views of history, is it any wonder that each group arrives at such varying interpretations? Biblical creationists accept the recorded history of the Bible as their starting point while evolutionists reject this recorded history and have made up their own pseudo-history from which to interpret evidence, Lisle explains. The fact that there are scientists who believe in biblical creation is nothing new. In this chapter, Lisle discusses several “real” scientists who believe in the Genesis account of creation, including Isaac Newton (1642–1727), who co-discovered calculus, formulated the laws of motion and gravity, and computed the nature of planetary orbits, among other things. Today, there are many Ph.D. scientists who reject evolution and believe that God created in six days, a few thousand years ago, as recorded in Scripture. As Lisle points out, his Ph.D. research (which was completed at a secular university) was not hindered by the conviction that the early chapters of Genesis are literally true. In fact, it’s just the reverse, he writes. “It is because a logical God created and ordered the universe that I, and other creationists, expect to be able to understand aspects of that universe through logic, careful observation and experimentation,” Lisle explains. Lisle concludes the chapter by posing the question, “Why should there be laws of nature if there is no lawgiver?” “If our minds have been designed, and if the universe has been constructed by God, as the Bible teaches, then of course we should be able to study nature. Science is possible because the Bible is true,” says Lisle.
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#222. To: Trace21231 (#217)
Homosexuality is natural, Trace. It has been documented in nearly every mammallian species. Most mammals that engage in homosexual behavior also engage in hetrosexual behavior, so the species is not impacted nearly as seriously as you might think. It's just sex. Man is not the only mammal to have sex for pleasure.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
I think I'm going through a crisis of faith that started when I was about two. I hope it's not also a mid-life crisis, that doesn't bode well at with my being +40 anyway. I sometimes wish I believed in some sort of all-powerful deity, it would make wrasslin with humanity much easier, but I just dont. It wasn't a conscious decision, I didn't sit down and think "do I want to believe in God?", writye down a list of pros and cons all Brady-bunch style, read books I didn't want to read, none of that. It just doesn't make sense that a power-hungry, all controlling type deity would create such a nasty race as us humans. I cant reconcile the two, sorry. I hate that vapid Hollyweird types have stumbled upon the phrase "I'm not religious, but I am spritual", because that truly desrcribes where I'm at. There is a life force, shared by all of us, even chipmunks. Be good and you'll feel love, and being good doesn't require a bunch of stupid rules about which bracelet to wear during the fucking eclipse or anything, dig? Try to help, I think that's my religion, just try to help, to make things better. Try to help and make things better and always buy Dakmar brand snack cakes. See, that's where I screw up every time, back to the drawingboard...
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
you can reposition your consider. :P
OK.
Evolution - any change in a population's allele frequencies over time Pretty simple, isn't it? It's hard to believe all the fuss that's been caused over such a simple concept.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
And since we're on the topic..
http://www.qaiser.net/88/resource/001%20TDS%20man-turtle.jpg
Where do these Box Turtle freaks come from and how can we make them join our band on electric bass?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Maybe this what Bush was talking about when he mentioned human-animal hybrids??!
Now you meanie liberal, Bush is against human-animal hybrids.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
It has been documented in nearly every mammallian species. Most mammals that engage in homosexual behavior also engage in hetrosexual behavior, so the species is not impacted nearly as seriously as you might think. RE animals .. it basically has to do with dominance. I'd say not natural.. deviant behavior...in humans that is.
I hear you snack cake man. No problem, all folk should be as good and kind as you are… I'm not very religious, but in reading this thread, mehitable scored some solid points. To his credit, Monty (yeah sure) (g) also presented a strong case. My bottom line is simple. I'm not comfortable living on this rock believing that, when the ride is over, I take the dirt nap. Fineto, do not pass go. I need more. So, perhaps my thoughts on where we came from and where we might end are no more than the rants of an AARP member plus 6, but as I said, I'm comfy :)
Hey ..Bush had better be talking to Cornyn.. seems he's for it..
Gulp....sure.......:P
I think he wants to buy you a cup of coffee. Be careful.
I'm completely ok with you feeling that way, I just get kinda pissy when I'm called a communist by someome with an agenda or a room temperature IQ supporting that agenda. We're all agents, sure, but "leave me hell alone", the political philosphy which drew me to this site, isn't really much of an agenda, is it? Sort of an anti-agenda, really.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
I'd say not natural.. deviant behavior...in humans that is. Zip, You would be incorrect. Homosexual behavior is completely natural in humans. It is documented as far back as you want to go in human history. Homosexuality is natural. You don't have to LIKE it, you don't have to AGREE with it, but you can't DENY it.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Homosexuality is natural. You don't have to LIKE it, you don't have to AGREE with it, but you can't DENY it. Deviance has been documented? BFD
Jethro, No one is asserting that when you die that the "ride is over." That never entered into this discussion. You can have your belief system if it pleases you, not a problem.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Would horses have sex with donkeys if men didn't intervene?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
By that definition murdering your own brother is natural too.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
Jethro was waxing philosophical with me, lighten up.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Do you mean mules or donkeys?
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
Zip. YOU are the one calling it deviance. It is natural behavior, not deviant. Your personal social beliefs call it deviant, not nature, but that does not make the action deviant.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Sometimes brothers need murderin.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Dogs can interbreed and producd offsprint. So they are like kind. Even if you are to dimwitted to understand that. People and monkeys can't. They are separate. I like your cute routine of acting like you are polite. What's your old screen name? Retread
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
What have you done with Fiona, you monster?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
LOL... I if you are attempting to introduce into evidence that Cain and Abel actually existed... ROFLMAO! Sorry Robin, but you just are being silly.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Okay, pick any 2 names you like. At some point in history, one murdered the other.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
Then naturally you've experienced it. And are not ashamed of it huh.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone. I don't have an old screen name and I am not ACTING polite. I am used to dealing with people like you, so it is easy to be polite. You like to name call and point to things that make no sense. Dogs and wolves are not the same SPECIES. (oh, and the word your giant brain was searching for was OFFSPRING) Sure they can interbreed, but then again, so can lions and tigers, but they too are DIFFERENT SPECIES. Best of luck on your next try.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Your personal social beliefs call it deviant, not nature, but that does not make the action deviant. We'll have to write this off to semantics. Deviant means deviating from the group/soceital norm to me, as the term is meaningless in species with less structured society, in which deviant pretty much equates with defective. Since we're on the subject I think homosexuality is a neurosis which is present in many high-order animals. Mostly mammals my instincts tell me, but who can forget the sea-gull study.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
as soon as you refute something I'll get back to you. OK
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
What about Great Danes and Chihuahuas? I don't think they can interbreed. Not unless the chihuahua stands on a chair. And that shouldn't count when we are talking about the natural world.
I didn't mean insects, don't nobody try to spin that like I've never heard of ants.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Robin, Still a silly argument. Fratericide is not an aspect of sexuality, homosexuality is. Fratracide is not commonplace in EVERY society and across nearly EVERY mammallian species known to man, homosexuality is. You are not comparing apples and apples, Robin, you are comparing apples and school busses. It just does not work.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
... You are incorrect. Great Danes and Chihuahuas CAN interbreed, and they HAVE been bred. German Shepherds have been bred with Dauchsunds. All dogs can breed with all other dogs.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Polite hummm? It was a keyboard error, and your response is telling. You seem to be a secular Humanist. And that's fine by me I just want to know if G-d can make a carpet so big, he cannot vacuum it.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBut how do you account for homosexuality in the evolutionary scheme? It seems that something that has such a huge reproductive hit should breed out of the poplation within a few hundred generations.
#223. To: Jethro Tull (#193)
Richard. You can wallow in the thought that your ancestors sprang up from some primordial soup, or once swung unshaven from a tree, as for me I’ll chose the Garden of Eden route. That thought makes me comfy :)
#224. To: Jethro Tull (#219)
#225. To: Feynman Lives! (#222)
Homosexuality is natural, Trace.
#226. To: Zipporah (#220)
Well not exactly.. but depends of course on what one means when they use the term.. Genetic differences based on mutuations or differences based upon recessives and dominate genes which were in the DNA without mutating.
#227. To: Dakmar (#223)
#228. To: Dakmar (#227)
#229. To: Zipporah (#227)
#230. To: Dakmar (#229)
Where do these Box Turtle freaks come from and how can we make them join our band on electric bass?
#231. To: Zipporah (#230)
#232. To: Feynman Lives! (#222)
Homosexuality is natural, Trace.
#233. To: Dakmar (#223)
#234. To: Dakmar (#231)
Now you meanie liberal, Bush is against human-animal hybrids.
#235. To: christine (#224)
you can reposition your consider. :P
#236. To: Trace21231 (#225)
#237. To: Jethro Tull (#233)
#238. To: Zipporah (#232)
RE animals .. it basically has to do with dominance.
#239. To: Feynman Lives! (#238)
Homosexual behavior is completely natural in humans. It is documented as far back as you want to go in human history.
#240. To: Jethro Tull (#233)
My bottom line is simple. I'm not comfortable living on this rock believing that, when the ride is over, I take the dirt nap. Fineto, do not pass go. I need more
#241. To: Feynman Lives! (#238)
#242. To: Feynman Lives! (#238)
It is documented as far back as you want to go in human history.
#243. To: Feynman Lives! (#240)
#244. To: Dakmar (#241)
Would horses have sex with donkeys if men didn't intervene?
#245. To: Dakmar (#241)
Would horses have sex with donkeys if men didn't intervene?
#246. To: Zipporah (#239)
Deviance has been documented? BFD
#247. To: robin (#242)
By that definition murdering your own brother is natural too.
#248. To: Feynman Lives! (#194)
Dogs and wolves are completely different species, they are not "Variations in species."
#249. To: Zipporah (#245)
#250. To: robin (#242)
By that definition murdering your own brother is natural too.
#251. To: Feynman Lives! (#250)
#252. To: Feynman Lives! (#238)
Homosexuality is natural.
#253. To: Dakmar (#249)
What have you done with Fiona, you monster?
#254. To: A K A Stone (#248)
Dogs can interbreed and producd offsprint. So they are like kind. Even if you are to dimwitted to understand that. People and monkeys can't. They are separate. I like your cute routine of acting like you are polite. What's your old screen name? Retread
#255. To: Feynman Lives! (#246)
It is natural behavior, not deviant.
#256. To: Feynman Lives! (#254)
Best of luck on your next try.
#257. To: A K A Stone (#248)
Dogs can interbreed and producd offsprint. So they are like kind.
#258. To: All (#255)
less structured society,
#259. To: robin (#251)
Okay, pick any 2 names you like. At some point in history, one murdered the other.
#260. To: ... (#257)
What about Great Danes and Chihuahuas? I don't think they can interbreed. Not unless the chihuahua stands on a chair. And that shouldn't count when we are talking about the natural world.
#261. To: Feynman Lives!, AKA stone (#254)
oh, and the word your giant brain was searching for was OFFSPRING)
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