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Title: Creationists: can they be scientists? You bet!
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Answers In Genesis
URL Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/wow/preview/part9.asp
Published: Feb 11, 2006
Author: Pam S. Sheppard
Post Date: 2006-02-11 17:02:42 by A K A Stone
Keywords: Creationists:, scientists?, they
Views: 2531
Comments: 382
As an astrophysicist, Dr. Jason Lisle (author of chapters 5, 6, and 10 of War of the Worldviews) knows that a belief in molecules-to-man evolution is not needed to understand how planets orbit the sun or how telescopes operate. While some evolutionists are spreading the false idea that creationists can’t be real scientists, Lisle is busy doing real science. In fact, he (along with hundreds of other scientists) knows that science works perfectly well without any connection to evolution. Dr. David Menton, cell biologist and popular AiG speaker and writer, has often said that although it is widely believed, “evolution contributes nothing to our understanding of empirical science and thus plays no essential role in biomedical research or education.” As Lisle points out in this chapter, even the rise of technology is not due to a belief in evolution. He writes, “Computers, cellular phones and DVD players all operate based on the laws of physics, which God created. It is because God created a logical, orderly universe and gave us the ability to reason and to be creative that technology is possible.” So, why are there such differences between evolutionary scientists and creation scientists if both groups have the same evidence? Lisle addresses these differing conclusions by explaining that each group starts with different assumptions when interpreting evidence. Creationists and evolutionists have a different view of history, but the way they do science in the present is the same. Lisle writes that both creationists and evolutionists use observation and experimentation to draw conclusions about nature. Since observational scientific theories are capable of being tested in the present, creationists and evolutionists generally agree on these models. For instance, they agree on the nature of gravity, the composition of stars, the speed of light in a vacuum, the size of the solar system, etc. On the other hand, historical events cannot be checked scientifically in the present. We don’t have access to the past. As Lisle points out, we can make educated guesses about the past and can make inferences from fossils and rocks, but we cannot directly test our conclusions because past events cannot be repeated. With evolutionists and creationists having such different views of history, is it any wonder that each group arrives at such varying interpretations? Biblical creationists accept the recorded history of the Bible as their starting point while evolutionists reject this recorded history and have made up their own pseudo-history from which to interpret evidence, Lisle explains. The fact that there are scientists who believe in biblical creation is nothing new. In this chapter, Lisle discusses several “real” scientists who believe in the Genesis account of creation, including Isaac Newton (1642–1727), who co-discovered calculus, formulated the laws of motion and gravity, and computed the nature of planetary orbits, among other things. Today, there are many Ph.D. scientists who reject evolution and believe that God created in six days, a few thousand years ago, as recorded in Scripture. As Lisle points out, his Ph.D. research (which was completed at a secular university) was not hindered by the conviction that the early chapters of Genesis are literally true. In fact, it’s just the reverse, he writes. “It is because a logical God created and ordered the universe that I, and other creationists, expect to be able to understand aspects of that universe through logic, careful observation and experimentation,” Lisle explains. Lisle concludes the chapter by posing the question, “Why should there be laws of nature if there is no lawgiver?” “If our minds have been designed, and if the universe has been constructed by God, as the Bible teaches, then of course we should be able to study nature. Science is possible because the Bible is true,” says Lisle.
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#260. To: ... (#257)
... You are incorrect. Great Danes and Chihuahuas CAN interbreed, and they HAVE been bred. German Shepherds have been bred with Dauchsunds. All dogs can breed with all other dogs.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Polite hummm? It was a keyboard error, and your response is telling. You seem to be a secular Humanist. And that's fine by me I just want to know if G-d can make a carpet so big, he cannot vacuum it.
YOU are the one calling it deviance. It is natural behavior, not deviant. Your personal social beliefs call it deviant, not nature, but that does not make the action deviant. Has nothing to do with my social beliefs.. it was catagorized as deviant behavior til the 70s by psychiatrists .. and the decision to change it was not based on science but on political pressure.
What is your favorite stripe on the flag? Or are you some commie who doesn't have one?
Why are you making fun of America?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Yes, and the chihuahua probably stood on a chair. As I said, standing on a chair doesn't count when we are talking about the Wild Kingdom. Just ask Marlin Perkins.
Zip, The decision to put it IN the books as deviant behavior was also based NOT on science, but on political pressure. Social morals do not change what is or is not natural in a given species. Homosexuality is natural.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
... No, they were bred naturally. Where he heck is a chihuahua gonna find a chair and how are they gonna get up on it in the first place. So... wrong again.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
homosexuality isn't only unnatural. Its sick and disgusting. The natural consequences of homos is no offspring. A dead diseased end.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
You haven't heard of that nest of homosexual ants??? GACK - the dirt, the borrows, six legs and the twichy anttenas! Sisters tell no tales. And then there are the dung beetles... gosh what they are into is just wierd.
Just using your logic that because homosexuality has history that makes it natural. You might try different logic, that's my advice. For example, I wonder if pedaphiles use this "logic" an an excuse.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
I plan to direct it outward to the foreigners once I perfect my technique.
Canines may be dopes when it comes to machine tools, but most I've encountered could figure out enough to stand on a rock or fallen tree. Not that we get many chihuahuas cruising for great danes this time of year.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson Heard 'bout the homosexual necrophiliac?? He kept running into dead ends.
I didn't mean insects, don't nobody try to spin that like I've never heard of ants. Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
A K A Stone, I understand that you are a religious zealot and have no room for science in your life. That is ok. If you want to deny the FACT that homosexuality is completely natural, you are welcome to. See, you forget that man, and other species, have sex for FUN. (well, clearly YOU don't) Remember, you religous types put people to death 500 years ago for DARING to postulate that the earth revolved around the SUN! So, join ranks with your fellow brilliant minds if you must, A K A Stone.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
How did they do that? And why didn't the Chihuahua explode?
And if they told you to join a cult would you do that too?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
I plan to direct it outward to the foreigners once I perfect my technique. Always best to practice at home first.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
The Bible says the earth is round fool. It was the "scientific" minds that thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus based his hypothesis on reading the Bible. I pity you fool.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
I plan to direct it outward to the foreigners once I perfect my technique. ROFLMAO! now THAT was funny! Well done!
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
The bible also tells me I can kill my son if he talks back to me. It tells me I can sell my daughter into slavery. It tells me to KILL people who touch the skin of a dead pig (so much for the football season next year). You think THOSE are good ideas? Oh, and Columbus was not the one who said that the earth revolves around the sun, brainiac.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
It depends on the cult and who was asking.
Depends on the rules.. if it means no makeup or hair products forget it..
And why didn't the Chihuahua explode? Silly.. the chihuahua wasn't the 'recipient'..
LOL Because fortunately mammals have a lovely system in place that stops us from growing a life inside us that our uterus can not hold. Yet another evolutionary gem that keeps the mammallian species alive! You either get a pretty big Chihuahua/cross or a very small Dane/cross.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Social morals do not change what is or is not natural in a given species. Homosexuality is natural. Whose speaking of books?? And you're wrong I might add..
OK. So we're back to standing on a chair. As I said before, it's not possible in the natural world.
Zip, You are darn tootin! No hair products, then count ME out!
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
I am carving a Native American Totem Pole featuring the great loons of the internet. Can you get me a photo of Badeye squating on his haunches nude with a stuffed eagle on his head?
Actually I saw a very small dog breed a German Shepard.. and the male was on about the 3rd step of a porch and the female was on the ground.. Where there's a will there's a way ..
As I said before, it's not possible in the natural world. ... You are wrong... It IS possible in the NATURAL WORLD for those two dogs to breed.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
No, but I know someone who can.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Where there's a will, there are 600 relatives claiming they are the sole heir!
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
Where is this place?
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
Zip, Please show me where I am wrong, without pointing to social morality as your guide.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
NATURAL WORLD Where is this place? It's in Omaha. Marlin Perkins used to have a show about it called Wild Kingdom.
It's in Omaha. Marlin Perkins used to have a show about it called Wild Kingdom. ROFLMAO! "While Jim wrestles the crocodile out of the swamp, I am gonna sit here and tell you about insurance!" I bet that show eneded because Jim finally got fed up and shot Marlin.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
That was a very wholesome show, better than Walt Disney's program. This place he's talking about isn't anywhere near Omaha.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
I have looked into this a little. Prior to the collapse of Rome, c. 426, for a long time most, if not nearly all educated folks knew, or rather believed the earth was round. The Greeks c. 430 BC ( and very likely much before)used spherical geometry to establish emperical measurements that they saw to be correct. Erestophones (sp) calculated the circumference of the earth to a few % of the accepted value today, in a very neat geo proof. In the European dark ages, the catastrophe that ensued pretty much wiped out the thousands of years of knowledge that the west had accumulated. They were too busy burying the dead and trying to sow some seeds to live. From these meager beginnings, most in Europe thought the earth was flat, but even then some educated, or observant folks realized it was a sphere. Note that it really didn't matter if you thought the world was flat or round untill Europe begain to try to break the Islamic/Mongol monopoly on the Silk Route Trade, by establishing a sea route to the east. Then the knolwedge of the true shape of the globe made the difference between loosers and winners. I do not think, in Lisbon in 1400, there was one accomplished navigator who did not assume the earth was a globe. As navigators, they saw the proof in the night skies on every voyage to Africa.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWhat about Great Danes and Chihuahuas? I don't think they can interbreed. Not unless the chihuahua stands on a chair. And that shouldn't count when we are talking about the natural world.
#261. To: Feynman Lives!, AKA stone (#254)
oh, and the word your giant brain was searching for was OFFSPRING)
#262. To: Feynman Lives! (#246)
Zip.
#263. To: Dakmar (#258)
#264. To: ... (#263)
#265. To: Feynman Lives! (#260)
Great Danes and Chihuahuas CAN interbreed, and they HAVE been bred.
#266. To: Zipporah (#262)
Has nothing to do with my social beliefs.. it was catagorized as deviant behavior til the 70s by psychiatrists .. and the decision to change it was not based on science but on political pressure.
#267. To: ... (#265)
Yes, and the chihuahua probably stood on a chair. As I said, standing on a chair doesn't count when we are talking about the Wild Kingdom. Just ask Marlin Perkins.
#268. To: Feynman Lives! (#266)
Homosexuality is natural.
#269. To: Dakmar (#258)
to spin that like I've never heard of ants.
#270. To: Feynman Lives! (#259)
#271. To: Dakmar (#264)
Why are you making fun of America?
#272. To: ... (#265)
#273. To: A K A Stone (#268)
The natural consequences of homos is no offspring. A dead diseased end.
#274. To: Dakmar (#258)
less structured society,
#275. To: A K A Stone (#268)
homosexuality isn't only unnatural. Its sick and disgusting. The natural consequences of homos is no offspring. A dead diseased end.
#276. To: Feynman Lives! (#267)
No, they were bred naturally
#277. To: Zipporah (#262)
Has nothing to do with my social beliefs.. it was catagorized as deviant behavior til the 70s by psychiatrists ..
#278. To: ... (#271)
Why are you making fun of America?
#279. To: Feynman Lives! (#275)
#280. To: ... (#271)
Why are you making fun of America?
#281. To: A K A Stone (#279)
The Bible says the earth is round fool. It was the "scientific" minds that thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus based his hypothesis on reading the Bible. I pity you fool.
#282. To: Dakmar (#277)
And if they told you to join a cult would you do that too?
#283. To: Dakmar (#277)
And if they told you to join a cult would you do that too?
#284. To: ... (#276)
How did they do that?
#285. To: ... (#276)
And why didn't the Chihuahua explode?
#286. To: Feynman Lives! (#266)
The decision to put it IN the books as deviant behavior was also based NOT on science, but on political pressure.
#287. To: Zipporah (#284)
Silly.. the chihuahua wasn't the 'recipient'..
#288. To: Zipporah (#283)
#289. To: Dakmar (#277)
#290. To: ... (#287)
#291. To: ... (#287)
OK. So we're back to standing on a chair.
#292. To: ..., Nostalgia (#289)
Can you get me a photo of Badeye squating on his haunches nude with a stuffed eagle on his head?
#293. To: Zipporah (#290)
Where there's a will there's a way ..
#294. To: Feynman Lives! (#291)
NATURAL WORLD
#295. To: Zipporah (#286)
Whose speaking of books?? And you're wrong I might add..
#296. To: robin (#294)
#297. To: ... (#296)
Where is this place?
#298. To: ... (#296)
#299. To: A K A Stone (#279)
It was the "scientific" minds that thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus based his hypothesis on reading the Bible. I pity you fool.
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