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Title: Creationists: can they be scientists? You bet!
Source: Answers In Genesis
URL Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/wow/preview/part9.asp
Published: Feb 11, 2006
Author: Pam S. Sheppard
Post Date: 2006-02-11 17:02:42 by A K A Stone
Keywords: Creationists:, scientists?, they
Views: 2318
Comments: 382

As an astrophysicist, Dr. Jason Lisle (author of chapters 5, 6, and 10 of War of the Worldviews) knows that a belief in molecules-to-man evolution is not needed to understand how planets orbit the sun or how telescopes operate. While some evolutionists are spreading the false idea that creationists can’t be real scientists, Lisle is busy doing real science.

In fact, he (along with hundreds of other scientists) knows that science works perfectly well without any connection to evolution. Dr. David Menton, cell biologist and popular AiG speaker and writer, has often said that although it is widely believed, “evolution contributes nothing to our understanding of empirical science and thus plays no essential role in biomedical research or education.”

As Lisle points out in this chapter, even the rise of technology is not due to a belief in evolution. He writes, “Computers, cellular phones and DVD players all operate based on the laws of physics, which God created. It is because God created a logical, orderly universe and gave us the ability to reason and to be creative that technology is possible.”

So, why are there such differences between evolutionary scientists and creation scientists if both groups have the same evidence? Lisle addresses these differing conclusions by explaining that each group starts with different assumptions when interpreting evidence. Creationists and evolutionists have a different view of history, but the way they do science in the present is the same.

Lisle writes that both creationists and evolutionists use observation and experimentation to draw conclusions about nature. Since observational scientific theories are capable of being tested in the present, creationists and evolutionists generally agree on these models. For instance, they agree on the nature of gravity, the composition of stars, the speed of light in a vacuum, the size of the solar system, etc.

On the other hand, historical events cannot be checked scientifically in the present. We don’t have access to the past. As Lisle points out, we can make educated guesses about the past and can make inferences from fossils and rocks, but we cannot directly test our conclusions because past events cannot be repeated.

With evolutionists and creationists having such different views of history, is it any wonder that each group arrives at such varying interpretations? Biblical creationists accept the recorded history of the Bible as their starting point while evolutionists reject this recorded history and have made up their own pseudo-history from which to interpret evidence, Lisle explains.

The fact that there are scientists who believe in biblical creation is nothing new. In this chapter, Lisle discusses several “real” scientists who believe in the Genesis account of creation, including Isaac Newton (1642–1727), who co-discovered calculus, formulated the laws of motion and gravity, and computed the nature of planetary orbits, among other things.

Today, there are many Ph.D. scientists who reject evolution and believe that God created in six days, a few thousand years ago, as recorded in Scripture. As Lisle points out, his Ph.D. research (which was completed at a secular university) was not hindered by the conviction that the early chapters of Genesis are literally true. In fact, it’s just the reverse, he writes.

“It is because a logical God created and ordered the universe that I, and other creationists, expect to be able to understand aspects of that universe through logic, careful observation and experimentation,” Lisle explains.

Lisle concludes the chapter by posing the question, “Why should there be laws of nature if there is no lawgiver?”

“If our minds have been designed, and if the universe has been constructed by God, as the Bible teaches, then of course we should be able to study nature. Science is possible because the Bible is true,” says Lisle.

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#278. To: ... (#271)

Why are you making fun of America?

I plan to direct it outward to the foreigners once I perfect my technique.

Always best to practice at home first.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   20:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: Feynman Lives! (#275)

The Bible says the earth is round fool. It was the "scientific" minds that thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus based his hypothesis on reading the Bible. I pity you fool.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-13   20:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: ... (#271)

Why are you making fun of America?

I plan to direct it outward to the foreigners once I perfect my technique.

ROFLMAO!

now THAT was funny!

Well done!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   20:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: A K A Stone (#279)

The Bible says the earth is round fool. It was the "scientific" minds that thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus based his hypothesis on reading the Bible. I pity you fool.

The bible also tells me I can kill my son if he talks back to me. It tells me I can sell my daughter into slavery. It tells me to KILL people who touch the skin of a dead pig (so much for the football season next year).

You think THOSE are good ideas?

Oh, and Columbus was not the one who said that the earth revolves around the sun, brainiac.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   20:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: Dakmar (#277)

And if they told you to join a cult would you do that too?

It depends on the cult and who was asking.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: Dakmar (#277)

And if they told you to join a cult would you do that too?

Depends on the rules.. if it means no makeup or hair products forget it..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   21:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: ... (#276)

How did they do that?

And why didn't the Chihuahua explode?

Silly.. the chihuahua wasn't the 'recipient'..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   21:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: ... (#276)

And why didn't the Chihuahua explode?

LOL

Because fortunately mammals have a lovely system in place that stops us from growing a life inside us that our uterus can not hold. Yet another evolutionary gem that keeps the mammallian species alive!

You either get a pretty big Chihuahua/cross or a very small Dane/cross.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   21:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: Feynman Lives! (#266)

The decision to put it IN the books as deviant behavior was also based NOT on science, but on political pressure.

Social morals do not change what is or is not natural in a given species.

Homosexuality is natural.

Whose speaking of books?? And you're wrong I might add..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   21:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: Zipporah (#284)

Silly.. the chihuahua wasn't the 'recipient'..

OK. So we're back to standing on a chair.

As I said before, it's not possible in the natural world.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: Zipporah (#283)

Zip,

You are darn tootin!

No hair products, then count ME out!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   21:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: Dakmar (#277)

I am carving a Native American Totem Pole featuring the great loons of the internet.

Can you get me a photo of Badeye squating on his haunches nude with a stuffed eagle on his head?

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: ... (#287)

Actually I saw a very small dog breed a German Shepard.. and the male was on about the 3rd step of a porch and the female was on the ground.. Where there's a will there's a way ..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   21:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: ... (#287)

OK. So we're back to standing on a chair.

As I said before, it's not possible in the natural world.

...

You are wrong...

It IS possible in the NATURAL WORLD for those two dogs to breed.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   21:07:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: ..., Nostalgia (#289)

Can you get me a photo of Badeye squating on his haunches nude with a stuffed eagle on his head?

No, but I know someone who can.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-13   21:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: Zipporah (#290)

Where there's a will there's a way ..

Where there's a will, there are 600 relatives claiming they are the sole heir!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   21:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: Feynman Lives! (#291)

NATURAL WORLD

Where is this place?

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   21:08:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: Zipporah (#286)

Whose speaking of books?? And you're wrong I might add..

Zip,

Please show me where I am wrong, without pointing to social morality as your guide.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   21:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: robin (#294)

NATURAL WORLD

Where is this place?

It's in Omaha. Marlin Perkins used to have a show about it called Wild Kingdom.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: ... (#296)

Where is this place?

It's in Omaha. Marlin Perkins used to have a show about it called Wild Kingdom.

ROFLMAO!

"While Jim wrestles the crocodile out of the swamp, I am gonna sit here and tell you about insurance!"

I bet that show eneded because Jim finally got fed up and shot Marlin.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   21:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: ... (#296)

That was a very wholesome show, better than Walt Disney's program. This place he's talking about isn't anywhere near Omaha.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   21:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: A K A Stone (#279)

It was the "scientific" minds that thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus based his hypothesis on reading the Bible. I pity you fool.

I have looked into this a little. Prior to the collapse of Rome, c. 426, for a long time most, if not nearly all educated folks knew, or rather believed the earth was round. The Greeks c. 430 BC ( and very likely much before)used spherical geometry to establish emperical measurements that they saw to be correct.

Erestophones (sp) calculated the circumference of the earth to a few % of the accepted value today, in a very neat geo proof.

In the European dark ages, the catastrophe that ensued pretty much wiped out the thousands of years of knowledge that the west had accumulated. They were too busy burying the dead and trying to sow some seeds to live.

From these meager beginnings, most in Europe thought the earth was flat, but even then some educated, or observant folks realized it was a sphere. Note that it really didn't matter if you thought the world was flat or round untill Europe begain to try to break the Islamic/Mongol monopoly on the Silk Route Trade, by establishing a sea route to the east. Then the knolwedge of the true shape of the globe made the difference between loosers and winners.

I do not think, in Lisbon in 1400, there was one accomplished navigator who did not assume the earth was a globe. As navigators, they saw the proof in the night skies on every voyage to Africa.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-13   21:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: ... (#296)

I loved that show.

"And now Jim is going to snatch the eggs from the giant buzzard nest while I play harmonica..."

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-13   21:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: robin (#298)

That was a very wholesome show, better than Walt Disney's program.

Marlin used to make Jim wrestle the alligator while he sat in a lawn chair and bullshitted at the camera.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: Feynman Lives! (#297)

"While Jim wrestles the crocodile out of the swamp, I am gonna sit here and tell you about insurance!"

Okay, that was funny too. :)

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-13   21:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: Dakmar (#300)

Whales only do it once a year, but you can get a whale of a screwing anytime from Mutual of Omaha.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: Feynman Lives! (#297)

"While Jim wrestles the crocodile out of the swamp, I am gonna sit here and tell you about insurance!"

I bet that show ended because Jim finally got fed up and shot Marlin.

Which state is Cheney from? I thought it was Wyoming.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   21:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: robin (#304)

Which state is Cheney from? I thought it was Wyoming.

Didn't he come from the future?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   21:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: Zipporah (#290)

I was at someone's house recently and they had a gigantic doberman that was almost as big as a great dane. it weighed 150 lbs. and they also had a miniature doberman, 30 lbs. and they also had a medium sized doberman, 65 lbs. they said the big one (who was a male) and the little one were the parents of the medium sized one.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-13   21:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: Feynman Lives! (#295)

Zip,

Please show me where I am wrong, without pointing to social morality as your guide.

Just as there are compulsions let's say an adult is a pedaphile.. they cannot be reformed because their issues are psychological .. or someone having complusions in regard to exhibitionism or fetishism, sexual masochism or frotteurism.. all deviant behaviors.. all psychological.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   21:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: robin (#304)

Which state is Cheney from?

A state of dishonesty?

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: ... (#301)

Marlin used to make Jim wrestle the alligator while he sat in a lawn chair and bullshitted at the camera.

I don't think I ever noticed which did what. Not quite fair though was it. I do remember their voices, really bland and relaxed and soporific.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   21:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: Red Jones (#306)

Gigantic, average and miniature dobermans arn't that rare.

I knew a guy who had a positve and a negative doberman. That was unusual.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: ... (#308)

Which state is Cheney from?

A state of dishonesty?

totally and that's just for starters

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   21:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#312. To: Red Jones (#306)

I was at someone's house recently and they had a gigantic doberman that was almost as big as a great dane. it weighed 150 lbs. and they also had a miniature doberman, 30 lbs. and they also had a medium sized doberman, 65 lbs. they said the big one (who was a male) and the little one were the parents of the medium sized one.

Not surprising.. I used to breed dogs and show them. Some think that if you want a medium sized dog you breed a large to a small somehow thinking it's like blending hot and cold water.. you get lukewarm.. It has to do with genes.. somewhere there were genes for that size dog.. If I had a large dog I'd breed it with the size I was trying to achieve.. some would be large others the correct size.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   21:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#313. To: Zipporah (#312)

Speaking of dogs, here's how you remember the metric system:

Decadant Hector killed meg's gigantic terrier.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   21:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#314. To: ... (#313)

Speaking of dogs, here's how you remember the metric system:

Decadant Hector killed meg's gigantic terrier.

LOL!

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   21:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#315. To: Zipporah (#307)

Just as there are compulsions let's say an adult is a pedaphile.. they cannot be reformed because their issues are psychological .. or someone having complusions in regard to exhibitionism or fetishism, sexual masochism or frotteurism.. all deviant behaviors.. all psychological.

Pedophelia, and your other sexual behaviors are radically different from homosexuality.

They don't exist across all mammalian species, homosexuality does.

Nice try, and I see where you are coming from, but it just does not fly.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   21:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#316. To: A K A Stone, Zipporah, Red Jones, Feynman Lives! (#279)

homosexuality is completely natural

Only a flaming faggot would say something like this.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-02-13   21:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#317. To: Feynman Lives! (#315)

Pedophelia, and your other sexual behaviors are radically different from homosexuality.

They don't exist across all mammalian species, homosexuality does.

Nice try, and I see where you are coming from, but it just does not fly.

Oh really prove it.. how they dont cross mammlian species.. People are not the same as animals I might add..

And as I said before.. homosexuality in animals basically has to do with dominance.. not the same in humans now is it?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   21:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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