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Title: Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060212 ... _pr_wh/cheney_hunting_accident
Published: Feb 12, 2006
Author: yahoo
Post Date: 2006-02-12 16:11:03 by Flintlock
Keywords: Accidentally, Cheney, Shoots
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WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot and injured a man during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, his spokeswoman said Sunday. Harry Whittington, 78, was "alert and doing fine" after Cheney sprayed Whittington with shotgun pellets on Saturday at the Armstrong Ranch in south Texas, said property owner Katharine Armstrong. Armstrong said Cheney turned to shoot a bird and accidentally hit Whittington. She said Whittington was taken to Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital by ambulance. Cheney's spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president was with Whittington, a lawyer from Austin, Texas, and his wife at the hospital on Sunday afternoon.
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#1. To: Flintlock (#0)
Oh...a lawyer. Never mind.
Who was the guy that got shot? Was he another member of the aristocracy or just some working class pee-on that Cheney shot for target practice?
Guns are evil. Cheney used a gun. Cheney is evil.
I was just going to post a comment saying that the rumors on Cheney are that there exist hunting preserves controlled by US government where sick pervs like Cheney actually hunt human beings who are killed during the hunt, mostly children. given the rumors it is odd that this is now a story. Maybe they're sending a 'message' to someone.
It sounds like Cheney shot the guy on purpose.
dotdotdot? lmao! welcome! :P
lol. you have a great sense of humor!
Cheney tries to shoot Quayle. Hits 78 year old instead.
Yes, it's morse code for "S". But that has no relevance to anything.
Could this be taken as evidence that Cheeney is a careless fuck-up?
If I ran a circus, Cheney would be the one shot out of the cannon.
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Saturday, January 28, 2006 Little Guys who take on the government rarely win, unless the Little Guy is a guy like Harry Whittington. Whittington, an Austin lawyer, is very rich, very stubborn and very patient — qualities that come in handy if, like him, you're waging a long legal battle against the city. Six years ago, Austin condemned a downtown block Whittington's family owned to build a $10.5 million parking garage. Whittington's been fighting the city ever since. He racked up two legal victories last year, and on Friday racked up a third: The Texas Supreme Court denied the city's request to hear an appeal, which basically re-affirms a prior ruling in Whittington's favor. The city law department, which has spent $387,000 on the case, doesn't plan to throw in the towel just yet. It can and will choose from two options, Austin's chief of litigation, Anne Morgan, said: Ask the state Supreme Court again to hear the case or argue the case in a county court trial, which Austin never had a chance to do. Bring it on, says Whittington, who seems unfazed at having spent "hundreds of thousands of dollars" on his legal fees. He says his winning streak should give comfort to property owners unnerved by a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision in favor of city condemnations. "This," Whittington, 78, said of his lawsuit, "shows how the judicial system should work if you stay with it." Whittington's family, which owned the block on Red River between Fourth and Fifth streets since 1980, wanted to develop the lot into apartments or shops. But the city had other ideas: building a 700-space garage for visitors to the nearby convention center and Sixth Street, and a $19.3 million chiller to cool nearby buildings. A board initially told the city to pay Whittington $3.6 million for the land, which Whittington rejected. Austin built the garage anyway and opened it last year. So far the city has earned about $181,000 charging for parking there, which helps pay back bonds used to build the facility. Whittington lost Round One of his legal battle in 2002 when a county court judge ruled that the garage was a public use — the legal standard for condemnations — and a jury ruled that the block was worth $7.7 million. The city has set aside that money, but Whittington can't take it unless he stops appealing. And he doesn't plan on quitting now, especially with a few wins under his belt. In June, the Third Court of Appeals agreed with Whittington that Austin failed to prove it needed the land for a public purpose. In January 2005, a district judge ruled in Whittington's favor in a second lawsuit, saying Austin failed to condemn an alley on the block. That case is still pending in an appeals court. The city faces a bevy of gloomy outcomes if it keeps losing, such as attempting to condemn the land again, demolishing the garage or giving Whittington a cut of the parking-garage profits. Both sides say they are willing to try to settle the case instead, yet neither seems willing to make the first move. Whittington is always coy when asked how long he plans to fight, or exactly what he'll do with the land or garage if he wins them. At this point, he seems more invested in the battle itself. "We're right on the law," he said. "And we're not in any hurry."
what an evil bastard.
Maybe if Cheney had gone into the service he would know how to handle guns better.
Funny you should mention that because I made a blog entry today of this photo captioned "What evil does to men's faces." Both Cheney and Rumsfeld looked like normal people in November 1975. 30 years later they have transmogrified into monsters and it's literally written all over their faces. Both of them are enough to scare small children these days.
Hitler as a baby.
Evil will always try for positions of power. This gang is unusually twisted.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
You're right. Great evil has taken over the planet, we are all consumed by the fire of their hate and selfishness and wickedness. But it's not what they think, they've gained no victory, instead they've created a refiner's fire that is just starting to purify a great many souls. Millions are starting to wake up from their materialistic slumber, the signs are appearing in a million different stories being told by a million different people in a million different ways. The sleepwalkers are losing their outer shells, the light within is becoming ever more apparent to countless numbers of people. In the darkest of moments, suddenly those with eyes to see catch just the barest glimpse of what is true reality, and turn away from an illusion they can no longer bear to live in. Someday the emptiness inside of these evil people will implode them, and the force of that implosion will shatter our society. At that point no one will be fooled any longer, and those who were already awake will busy themselves gathering up the broken and blackened shards of what had once been light.
Cheney's spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president was with Whittington, a lawyer from Austin, Texas, and his wife at the hospital on Sunday afternoon.
#2. To: Flintlock (#0)
#3. To: Flintlock (#0)
#4. To: Flintlock (#0)
#5. To: Sam Houston (#2)
#6. To: Sam Houston (#2)
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#7. To: ... (#3)
#8. To: ... (#3)
pee-on
#9. To: Flintlock (#6)
#10. To: christine (#8)
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
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#13. To: Flintlock (#0)
Harry Whittington info -
#14. To: Sam Houston (#2)
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
If I ran a circus, Cheney would be the one shot out of the cannon.
#16. To: christine (#14)
#17. To: Sam Houston (#16)
30 years later they have transmogrified into monsters
#18. To: Sam Houston (#2)
#19. To: Sam Houston (#16)
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#20. To: Flintlock (#0)
The oddest thing about this story is that it was held for a day. The evening news says Cheney takes an entire medical team with him now, everywhere he goes. I wonder if his latest victim was able to get help from any of this entourage.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
#21. To: All (#20)
I wonder what really happened. Did this old Texas lawyer shoot his mouth off first? Cheney's in real legal trouble right now, and a serious liability to the GOP. From their perspective alone, they must wish Cheney would just disappear.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
#22. To: Flintlock (#0)
http://clerk.house.gov/pd/houseID.html?reg_id=37009 part of the King ranch? And this: http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/ContributorsAndPaybacks/pioneer_profile.cfm?pioneer_ID=621 Pledged to raise $100,000 not listed Pioneer Tobin Armstrong’s ancestor, Texas Ranger John B. Armstrong, bought the beginnings of the Armstrong Ranch in 1882 with the $4,000 bounty he received for capturing outlaw John Wesley Hardin. In 1944 Tobin’s older brother wed an heir of legendary King Ranch (see Fausto Yturria), linking two of the biggest ranches in Texas. The Armstrong Ranch has since gone global, with tracts in Australia and South America. In recent years, Tobin and his wife, Anne, have hosted many GOP dignitaries--including the first and second President Bush--on their 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch in South Texas. “We go out when the dew is still on the grass, and then hunt until we shoot our limit,” Tobin said in 2000 of his ranch outings with Dick Cheney. “Then we pick a fine spot and have a wild game picnic lunch.” True conservatives might choke on their javelina steaks if they knew that Tobin Armstrong dunned the government for $11,336 in farm subsidies between 1995 and 2002, according to the Environmental Working Group. Anne Armstrong served as: a close advisor to President Nixon; President Ford’s British Ambassador; and approved covert actions on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board under Reagan. A veteran of blue-chip corporate boards, Anne Armstrong was a Halliburton director when that corporation hired Cheney. She is Kay Bailey Hutchison’s best friend, having helped launch the senator’s career as Republican National Committee co-chair in 1971. George W. Bush appointed Anne Armstrong as a Texas A&M regent in 1997. She and her husband were part of Laura Bush’s delegation to the funeral of Queen Mother Elizabeth in 2002. As a Kenedy County Commissioner in 2001, Tobin Armstrong expressed serious reservations about a short-lived Bush administration plan to relocate a Navy bomb-testing site from Puerto Rico to the fragile sand dunes of a local beach. Daughter Katharine Armstrong--formerly Katherine Idsal--and ex-son-in-law Warren Idsal also are Pioneers. President Bush invited Tobin, Anne and Katharine Armstrong to a White House sleepover. Armstrong is a fifth-generation Texan raised on her family's South Texas cattle ranch. She is an artist, an avid outdoorswoman and the mother of three children. She was appointed to the Texas Parks and Wildlife (TPWD) Commission in 1999 by Gov. George W. Bush and named Chairman in 2001 by Gov. Rick Perry, becoming the first woman to head the agency. Armstrong worked steadily to build and improve TPWD's relationships with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality and the Texas Water Development Board, resulting in long-term benefits for the formulation of water policy in Texas. During her tenure as Chairman, Armstrong oversaw the development of the Land and Water Resources Conservation and Recreation Plan, a strategic plan that will guide TPWD's conservation efforts over the next decade. Previously, Armstrong worked for Senator John Tower and in the Nixon White House before joining Smith Barney, Harris, Upham & Company in 1976. Starting her career at Smith Barney as an account executive in Dallas, Armstrong became a Vice-President in the Municipal Finance Department in New York. She has served on many boards and advisory committees, including the selection committee for the White House Fellows Program, Vice-Chairman of the Dallas Zoological Society, the Central Park Conservancy, Camp John Mark Meyer, and the Park Cities Republican Women's Club. She currently serves on the advisory boards of the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at Texas A&M Corpus Christi and the James Madison Book Award. She is Chairman of the South Texas Native Plant restoration project at Texas A& M Kingsville, and is a director of the Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association and the Texas Wildlife Association. Warren Idsal and Katharine Armstrong both worked for major investment firms at the time of their 1982 wedding, with the Paine Webber (see Joseph Grano) groom marrying a Smith Barney bride. During the 2000 campaign the then-married couple still romantically shared a common Bush Pioneer tracking number. Katherine is the daughter of Pioneer Tobin Armstrong, an heir to the fabled Armstrong and King Ranch fortunes. Her mother, Anne Armstrong, who is Kay Bailey Hutchison’s best friend, helped launch the senator’s career as Republican National Committee co-chair in 1971. As Texas Treasurer in the early 1990s, Kay Bailey Hutchison returned the favor by hiring Armstrong’s son-in-law, Warren Idsal, as a top aide. But Hutchison fired him after a short tenure. Warren Idsal also was an executive at health and life insurer United Insurance Companies (UICI) for several years in the late 1990s. Then-Governor George W. Bush appointed Katharine Idsal to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission in 1999. The Idsals divorced and Katherine reclaimed her maiden name after Bush’s gubernatorial successor appointed Katherine chair of the commission. This heir apparent to the Armstrong Ranch resigned her state post in mid-2003, citing her need to make a living for her three children. In 2004 she hung out her own lobby shingle and registered three lobby contracts, led by construction company Parsons Technology and Dannenbaum Engineering Corp., which is a major contractor for Texas water projects. President Bush invited Katherine Armstrong and her parents to a White House sleepover. Armostrong a member of a water board in Texas? (and no I dont mean torture LOL) Armstrong, Katharine (512)478-1003 1122 Colorado St., Ste. 300 Austin, TX 78701 Avex Group 14875 Landmark Blvd., Ste. 306 Dallas, TX 75254 Type of Compensation: Prospective Amount: $50,000 - $99,999.99 Dannenbaum Engineering Corporation 3100 W. Alabama Houston, TX 77098-2094 Type of Compensation: Prospective Amount: $100,000 - $149,999.99 EcoCreto of Texas Inc. 9200 IH-35 S., Ste. C3 Austin, TX 78748 Type of Compensation: Prospective Amount: Less Than $10,000.00 Katharine Armstrong, Inc. 1122 Colorado St., Ste. 300 Austin, TX 78701 Type of Compensation: Prospective Amount: $200,000 or more Parsons Advanced Technologies, Inc. 100 W. Walnut St. Pasadena, TX 91124 Type of Compensation: Prospective Amount: $100,000 - $149,999.99 Katherine Armstrong?
Name Mr. & Mrs. Tobin Armstrong Appointed To Industry Agriculture Employer Armstrong Ranch Occupation Owner Address Armstrong, TX 78338 Status for 2000 Status for 2004 Profile
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#23. To: robin (#20)
The oddest thing about this story is that it was held for a day.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#24. To: Flintlock (#23)
that is unusual. the shooting occurred on Saturday, they waited until Sunday afternoon to report it.
The oddest thing about this story is that it was held for a day.
#25. To: robin (#20)
It took'em that long to get their stories straight. I know a lot of bird hunters and I've never heard of a story like this, it's total BS.
The oddest thing about this story is that it was held for a day.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#26. To: Red Jones (#24)
Yep
that is unusual. the shooting occurred on Saturday, they waited until Sunday afternoon to report it.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#27. To: Red Jones (#24)
It would still be a secret if it were up to Cheney. I heard that the local press got wind of it and the cat was out of the bag. I wonder why Cheney shot the old geezer.
that is unusual. the shooting occurred on Saturday, they waited until Sunday afternoon to report it.
#28. To: Flintlock, Zipporah, Fred Mertz (#26)
EXCLUSIVE: First Photo of Cheney Shooting Victim The above photo shows Vice President Dick Cheney speaking to reporters at the bedside of the man who he "accidentally" shot this weekend while on a hunting trip in Texas (full story). A spokesman for the vice president identified the shooting victim as Harry Whittington, but sources close to the incident suggest "Harry Whittington" is a Secret Service code name for Cheney's indicted former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. "Honestly, I didn't mean to shoot Scoot-- I mean, Harry Whittington," the vice president told reporters in "Mr. Whittington's" hospital recovery room. The shooting occurred several days after it was revealed that Mr. Libby told special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald he was ordered by Vice President Cheney to leak classified national security documents to the press. The revelation could cost Cheney his job and whatever remains of his reputation amongst both Democrats and Republicans. An EMT who attended to "Mr. Whittington" told the Huffington Post that, during the ambulance ride, he overheard Cheney mumbling, "Who's leaking now, f***ker?" and, "F***ker survived. Gotta work on my aim." The EMT later remarked to the vice president, "Harry Whittington? That sounds like a made-up name." When contacted for clarification on Cheney's reply, the Huffington Post has learned the emergency worker has disappeared.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
#29. To: All (#28)
Cheney's Got a Gun (7 comments ) Reading about Vice President Cheney's hunting trip mishap put me in mind of the last time Dick and his trusty shotgun made news. It was January 2003, and the Veep flew Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia down to Louisiana so they could duck hunt together -- a trip that took place just three weeks after Cheney had asked the High Court to let him keep the inner workings of his energy task force a secret (the Supremes eventually did just that, kicking the case back to a lower court which ruled Cheney didn't have to come clean). 
Cheney didn't shoot anyone in the face on that trip. But he and Scalia did blast a hole in the concept of the public's right to know while proving they don't give a flying duck about the rest of us. Here's a short animation me and two friends, Julie Bergman Sender and Tate Hausman, put together to show what we think might have gone down in that bayou duck blind. Click the Play button below to check it out.
Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".
#30. To: robin (#21)
I wonder who Harry Whittington is? COMMISSIONERS (Texas Funeral Commission) Harry Whittington ( Austin), Presiding Officer/Term Expires 2/1/07 Hmmm And on the Office of Patient Protection: Austinite Harry Whittington was appointed chairman of the Office of Patient Protection Executive Committee by Gov. Rick Perry on Thursday. Whittington is a private practice attorney who has been practicing law in Austin since 1950. He is a member of the State Bar of Texas and received his law degree from the University of Texas. The committee was established in House Bill 2985 during the 2003 regular legislative session. The Office of Patient Protection is responsible for helping patients who have complaints regarding medical service from Texas healthcare providers. He has served as chairman of the Texas Public Finance Authority Board and is a past member of the Texas Board of Corrections, which is now known as the Texas Board of Criminal Justice. Whittington serves as a public member and chairman of the Texas Funeral Service Commission. The other two appointees to the committee are Ed Miles Jr. of San Antonio and Judith Powell of The Woodlands. ************ http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=915 "There’s also a high-stakes hearing at the State Office of Administrative Hearings pitting funeral giant Service Corporation International against state lawyers over the agency’s pending $445,000 fine against the company. Other special episodes will recall performances by First Lady Hillary Clinton, as agency officials explain how two boxes of documents containing the Commission’s case against S.C.I. mysteriously vanished – and then suddenly reappeared in the agency’s file room. Finally, there will be ongoing installments on the travails of the agency’s recently hired but already besieged executive director, O.C. "Chet" Robbins. Despite the exciting season of programming, however, it also appears that the Legislature (which nearly pulled the plug on the funeral soap opera during its last session) may decide to end the series early next year by permanently shifting the agency’s duties to the Texas Department of Health. he Funeral Commission – whose origins date back to the turn of the century, when the state decided it needed an agency to regulate morticians – has been relatively quiet for most of its history. But the Nineties were anything but calm. The agency has had six executive directors in the past six years. The one who preceded Eliza May landed in jail on charges of aggravated perjury and witness tampering. Most Texas funeral directors were hoping that the Commission would quiet down with the hiring of Robbins, a former military man who obtained his funeral director’s license shortly before he was hired last October. But May’s pending lawsuit against Bush will keep the focus on the funeral industry and on the Commission’s efforts to police it. The lawsuit, filed thirteen months ago and amended in mid-April to include Bush as a defendant, alleges that the Governor "knowingly permitted his staff to intervene improperly" in the investigation of S.C.I. by May and her employees. The suit also claims Bush’s actions are an abuse of power and were designed to "subvert the lawful conduct of public officials in the performance of their official duties." At the heart of May’s lawsuit is the appearance of influence buying. The suit claims Bush and a handful of state legislators sprang to S.C.I.’s defense because the funeral company gave tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions to the politicians. The suit delineates the many connections between Bush and S.C.I.’s chief executive officer, Robert Waltrip, who has known the Bush family for three decades. His company’s political action committee gave Bush $35,000 for his 1998 campaign, and Waltrip gave Bush $10,000 for his 1994 race. Waltrip also serves as a trustee for former president George Bush’s presidential library in College Station, and S.C.I. donated more than $100,000 toward the construction of the library. Given those connections, the lawsuit claims that any suggestion that Bush would not have intervened on Waltrip’s behalf is "highly unlikely on its face." May’s suit against Bush focuses on two meetings that took place in the office of Joe Allbaugh, Bush’s former chief of staff and current campaign manager. May alleges that Allbaugh purposely tried to intimidate her and to halt her investigation into S.C.I. It also alleges that Bush’s general counsel, Margaret Wilson, called May and told her that she was "under a lot of pressure" to end May’s investigation of S.C.I. and that if May didn’t halt the investigation, it "would be taken away" from the Funeral Commission and handled by Bush’s office. Proving those allegations will likely be difficult, and Bush and his allies will do all they can to discredit May and her lawyer, Charles Herring Jr. May has been active in Democratic politics on the city and state level for more than a decade. From 1994—96, she served on the state Democratic Executive Committee, and from 1996—98 she was treasurer for the Texas Democratic Party. Herring is the former chairman of the Travis County Democratic Party. Those political connections certainly won’t help May pursue her claim. She also faces a potentially difficult adversary in Cornyn, who finds himself in the unusual position of defending Bush against May’s lawsuit while representing the Funeral Commission in its hearing against S.C.I. " Lawyer wins another round in eminent domain case against the city City might argue the case in a lower court. By Sarah Coppola AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Saturday, January 28, 2006 Little Guys who take on the government rarely win, unless the Little Guy is a guy like Harry Whittington. Whittington, an Austin lawyer, is very rich, very stubborn and very patient — qualities that come in handy if, like him, you're waging a long legal battle against the city. Six years ago, Austin condemned a downtown block Whittington's family owned to build a $10.5 million parking garage. Whittington's been fighting the city ever since. He racked up two legal victories last year, and on Friday racked up a third: The Texas Supreme Court denied the city's request to hear an appeal, which basically re-affirms a prior ruling in Whittington's favor. The city law department, which has spent $387,000 on the case, doesn't plan to throw in the towel just yet. It can and will choose from two options, Austin's chief of litigation, Anne Morgan, said: Ask the state Supreme Court again to hear the case or argue the case in a county court trial, which Austin never had a chance to do. Bring it on, says Whittington, who seems unfazed at having spent "hundreds of thousands of dollars" on his legal fees. He says his winning streak should give comfort to property owners unnerved by a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision in favor of city condemnations. "This," Whittington, 78, said of his lawsuit, "shows how the judicial system should work if you stay with it." Whittington's family, which owned the block on Red River between Fourth and Fifth streets since 1980, wanted to develop the lot into apartments or shops. But the city had other ideas: building a 700-space garage for visitors to the nearby convention center and Sixth Street, and a $19.3 million chiller to cool nearby buildings. A board initially told the city to pay Whittington $3.6 million for the land, which Whittington rejected. Austin built the garage anyway and opened it last year. So far the city has earned about $181,000 charging for parking there, which helps pay back bonds used to build the facility. Whittington lost Round One of his legal battle in 2002 when a county court judge ruled that the garage was a public use — the legal standard for condemnations — and a jury ruled that the block was worth $7.7 million. The city has set aside that money, but Whittington can't take it unless he stops appealing. And he doesn't plan on quitting now, especially with a few wins under his belt. In June, the Third Court of Appeals agreed with Whittington that Austin failed to prove it needed the land for a public purpose. In January 2005, a district judge ruled in Whittington's favor in a second lawsuit, saying Austin failed to condemn an alley on the block. That case is still pending in an appeals court. The city faces a bevy of gloomy outcomes if it keeps losing, such as attempting to condemn the land again, demolishing the garage or giving Whittington a cut of the parking-garage profits. Both sides say they are willing to try to settle the case instead, yet neither seems willing to make the first move. Whittington is always coy when asked how long he plans to fight, or exactly what he'll do with the land or garage if he wins them. At this point, he seems more invested in the battle itself. "We're right on the law," he said. "And we're not in any hurry." scoppola@statesman.com; 912-2939 *********** From Bush Watch: Funeral Gate http://www.bushwatch.com/gravedigger.htm More on Funeral Gate: http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-26-03/discussion.cgi.163.html Full circle to KENYON .. http://joan-reports.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/12/42357/8656
#31. To: Flintlock (#0)
I just need to know... Did he field dress the guy after he shot him? Oh, and did he have a permit? :)
#32. To: robin (#28)
What ever happened to "I didn't know it was loaded"?
An EMT who attended to "Mr. Whittington" told the Huffington Post that, during the ambulance ride, he overheard Cheney mumbling, "Who's leaking now, f***ker?" and, "F***ker survived. Gotta work on my aim."
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#33. To: Flintlock (#32)
Read this post from Daily Kos: Local news on Austin TV (4.00 / 4) said the gun was .28 gauge at 30 yards. Normally, for dove and quail, #7 1/2 or #8 shot are used. This is small shot: in order of increasing size: rat shot, #8, #7 1/2, #6, #4, #2, bb's and buck shot, 0 and 00 (ought and double-ought). For those of you who don't understand gauges, the smallest is 28 gauge; in increasing order or size, 20 gauge, 16 gauge, 12 gauge and 10 gaugge. Hardly anyone uses 10 gauge; it will kick your shoulder off. For quail, a ground-hugging, fast flying bird as apt to run as fly, the initial response is to the break of the covey or individual birds. Dogs are normally used to spot the coveys, but the hunter usually does the flushing. Because many shots are close, lighter gauges are commonly used to avoid tearing up the birds. Longer shots are the exception for quail and that would be anything over 35-40 yards. The lighter gauges don't have much knock down power over 50 yards. A 28 gauge with a dove load is a heck of a splatter at 90 feet, depending on the choke on which the gun is set. Considering the victim had pellets in his face, neck and upper torso, those pellets obviously penetrated clothing (it was colder, 40s-low 50s, and very windy Saturday), the shot was just off center of the pattern, perhaps a foot or so, and this could have been much worse with a direct hit. As a person who grew up on a ranch and hunted from early childhood, the prime rule of hunting is always know where you are shooting. The hunter always has the primary responsibility in knowing where other hunters are because the hunter has control of the trigger. If you don't know whether someone is in range, you don't shoot. Period. Exceptions cause death and injury.
#34. To: Flintlock, ALL (#32)
Something else quite interesting: By Kathryn Garcia and Jaime Powell/Caller-Times February 12, 2006 ...McBride, who confirmed the accident Sunday around noon, would not comment on whether the White House would have released the information had the Caller-Times not contacted them. The Caller-Times received a tip from a member of the Armstrong family Sunday morning, 18 hours after the incident occurred. ...Armstrong said Whittington holds no ill feelings toward Cheney and doesn't plan to sue. "Oh, heavens, no," Armstrong said. "This happens, and my God, I've never seen a case of hard feelings. I bet this would deepen their friendship. ...[photo caption] Austin lawyer Harry Whittington owns property in Travis County worth at least $11 million, the Austin American-Statesman reported in 2005. He was appointed to the Texas Funeral Service Commission by then-Gov. George W. Bush. ************ So this wasnt reported to the police.. the press found out got a tip re the shooting!
#35. To: All (#34)
Something else odd.. this was reported in the following article now this portion has disappeared? "Katharine Armstrong, the ranch's owner, said Sunday that Cheney was using a 28-gauge shotgun and that Whittington was about 30 yards away when he was hit in the cheek, neck and chest. Each of the hunters was wearing a bright orange vest at the time, Armstrong told reporters. She said Whittington was "alert and doing fine."
#36. To: Flintlock (#32)
Or... "He looked an awful lot like a quail to me..."
What ever happened to "I didn't know it was loaded"?
#37. To: All (#35)
One more thing that was pointed out on the DK thread about this: "Cheney, Whittington and another hunter had gotten out of a car to shoot at a covey of quail at about 5:30 p.m. Saturday, according to Armstrong, who was in the party of four at her ranch." Quail hunting from a car? You cant hunt quail from a car.. and stop when you see a flock? Aren't quail hunted with a bird dog.. a setter or pointer?
#38. To: Zipporah (#33)
I know a guy who enjoys bird hunting. he accidentally shot his dog while hunting. with bird hunting the birds fly out of the bushes suddenly when you walk near them and people jerk their guns quickly to shoot. so it could happen if someone were stupid.
#39. To: Zipporah (#37)
yes, that's correct, you hunt them with a bird dog who points the birds out.
Quail hunting from a car? You cant hunt quail from a car.. and stop when you see a flock? Aren't quail hunted with a bird dog.. a setter or pointer?
#40. To: question for hunters (#37)
Sunset in that area was at Sunset at 6:17 PM .. and this happened " The incident, which occurred at about 5:30 p.m., was first reported on the Web site of The Corpus Christi Caller-Times on Sunday." Does this seem plausible? To be hunting quail this close to sundown?
#41. To: Red Jones (#39)
Impossible to be hunting quail from a car .. that makes no sense.
yes, that's correct, you hunt them with a bird dog who points the birds out.
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