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Title: Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter
Source: yahoo news
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060212 ... _pr_wh/cheney_hunting_accident
Published: Feb 12, 2006
Author: yahoo
Post Date: 2006-02-12 16:11:03 by Flintlock
Keywords: Accidentally, Cheney, Shoots
Views: 993
Comments: 76

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot and injured a man during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, his spokeswoman said Sunday.

Harry Whittington, 78, was "alert and doing fine" after Cheney sprayed Whittington with shotgun pellets on Saturday at the Armstrong Ranch in south Texas, said property owner Katharine Armstrong.

Armstrong said Cheney turned to shoot a bird and accidentally hit Whittington. She said Whittington was taken to Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital by ambulance.

Cheney's spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president was with Whittington, a lawyer from Austin, Texas, and his wife at the hospital on Sunday afternoon.

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#27. To: Red Jones (#24)

that is unusual. the shooting occurred on Saturday, they waited until Sunday afternoon to report it.

It would still be a secret if it were up to Cheney. I heard that the local press got wind of it and the cat was out of the bag.

I wonder why Cheney shot the old geezer.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-02-12   22:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Flintlock, Zipporah, Fred Mertz (#26)

EXCLUSIVE: First Photo of Cheney Shooting Victim

The above photo shows Vice President Dick Cheney speaking to reporters at the bedside of the man who he "accidentally" shot this weekend while on a hunting trip in Texas (full story).

A spokesman for the vice president identified the shooting victim as Harry Whittington, but sources close to the incident suggest "Harry Whittington" is a Secret Service code name for Cheney's indicted former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

"Honestly, I didn't mean to shoot Scoot-- I mean, Harry Whittington," the vice president told reporters in "Mr. Whittington's" hospital recovery room.

The shooting occurred several days after it was revealed that Mr. Libby told special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald he was ordered by Vice President Cheney to leak classified national security documents to the press. The revelation could cost Cheney his job and whatever remains of his reputation amongst both Democrats and Republicans.

An EMT who attended to "Mr. Whittington" told the Huffington Post that, during the ambulance ride, he overheard Cheney mumbling, "Who's leaking now, f***ker?" and, "F***ker survived. Gotta work on my aim."

The EMT later remarked to the vice president, "Harry Whittington? That sounds like a made-up name." When contacted for clarification on Cheney's reply, the Huffington Post has learned the emergency worker has disappeared.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-12   23:34:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: All (#28)

Cheney's Got a Gun

(7 comments )

READ MORE: Dick Cheney, Supreme Court

The
Huffington Post

Reading about Vice President Cheney's hunting trip mishap put me in mind of the last time Dick and his trusty shotgun made news. It was January 2003, and the Veep flew Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia down to Louisiana so they could duck hunt together -- a trip that took place just three weeks after Cheney had asked the High Court to let him keep the inner workings of his energy task force a secret (the Supremes eventually did just that, kicking the case back to a lower court which ruled Cheney didn't have to come clean).


Cheney didn't shoot anyone in the face on that trip. But he and Scalia did blast a hole in the concept of the public's right to know while proving they don't give a flying duck about the rest of us. Here's a short animation me and two friends, Julie Bergman Sender and Tate Hausman, put together to show what we think might have gone down in that bayou duck blind. Click the Play button below to check it out.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-12   23:37:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: robin (#21)

I wonder who Harry Whittington is?

COMMISSIONERS (Texas Funeral Commission)

Harry Whittington ( Austin), Presiding Officer/Term Expires 2/1/07

Hmmm

It's been a tumultuous week for the Texas Funeral Service Commission. On Monday, Travis County District Court Judge John Dietz ruled that Gov. George W. Bush won't have to testify in Eliza May's whistle-blower lawsuit against the agency. On Tuesday, the old TFSC board was dismissed. On Wednesday, the new board, headed by Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, took over the struggling agency. The moves are the latest developments in the ongoing drama surrounding the funeral regulatory agency. And while the new board should bring some stability to the tiny agency, the biggest development in the funeral scandal came when Dietz, a Democrat, ruled that lawyers for May, the former executive director of the TFSC, did not prove that Bush has "unique and superior knowledge" of the facts in the case. The ruling came after an all-day hearing rich in hyperbole.

And on the Office of Patient Protection:

Austinite Harry Whittington was appointed chairman of the Office of Patient Protection Executive Committee by Gov. Rick Perry on Thursday.

Whittington is a private practice attorney who has been practicing law in Austin since 1950. He is a member of the State Bar of Texas and received his law degree from the University of Texas.

The committee was established in House Bill 2985 during the 2003 regular legislative session. The Office of Patient Protection is responsible for helping patients who have complaints regarding medical service from Texas healthcare providers.

He has served as chairman of the Texas Public Finance Authority Board and is a past member of the Texas Board of Corrections, which is now known as the Texas Board of Criminal Justice.

Whittington serves as a public member and chairman of the Texas Funeral Service Commission.

The other two appointees to the committee are Ed Miles Jr. of San Antonio and Judith Powell of The Woodlands.

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http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=915

"There’s also a high-stakes hearing at the State Office of Administrative Hearings pitting funeral giant Service Corporation International against state lawyers over the agency’s pending $445,000 fine against the company.

Other special episodes will recall performances by First Lady Hillary Clinton, as agency officials explain how two boxes of documents containing the Commission’s case against S.C.I. mysteriously vanished – and then suddenly reappeared in the agency’s file room. Finally, there will be ongoing installments on the travails of the agency’s recently hired but already besieged executive director, O.C. "Chet" Robbins. Despite the exciting season of programming, however, it also appears that the Legislature (which nearly pulled the plug on the funeral soap opera during its last session) may decide to end the series early next year by permanently shifting the agency’s duties to the Texas Department of Health.

he Funeral Commission – whose origins date back to the turn of the century, when the state decided it needed an agency to regulate morticians – has been relatively quiet for most of its history. But the Nineties were anything but calm. The agency has had six executive directors in the past six years. The one who preceded Eliza May landed in jail on charges of aggravated perjury and witness tampering.

Most Texas funeral directors were hoping that the Commission would quiet down with the hiring of Robbins, a former military man who obtained his funeral director’s license shortly before he was hired last October. But May’s pending lawsuit against Bush will keep the focus on the funeral industry and on the Commission’s efforts to police it. The lawsuit, filed thirteen months ago and amended in mid-April to include Bush as a defendant, alleges that the Governor "knowingly permitted his staff to intervene improperly" in the investigation of S.C.I. by May and her employees. The suit also claims Bush’s actions are an abuse of power and were designed to "subvert the lawful conduct of public officials in the performance of their official duties."

At the heart of May’s lawsuit is the appearance of influence buying. The suit claims Bush and a handful of state legislators sprang to S.C.I.’s defense because the funeral company gave tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions to the politicians. The suit delineates the many connections between Bush and S.C.I.’s chief executive officer, Robert Waltrip, who has known the Bush family for three decades. His company’s political action committee gave Bush $35,000 for his 1998 campaign, and Waltrip gave Bush $10,000 for his 1994 race. Waltrip also serves as a trustee for former president George Bush’s presidential library in College Station, and S.C.I. donated more than $100,000 toward the construction of the library. Given those connections, the lawsuit claims that any suggestion that Bush would not have intervened on Waltrip’s behalf is "highly unlikely on its face."

May’s suit against Bush focuses on two meetings that took place in the office of Joe Allbaugh, Bush’s former chief of staff and current campaign manager. May alleges that Allbaugh purposely tried to intimidate her and to halt her investigation into S.C.I. It also alleges that Bush’s general counsel, Margaret Wilson, called May and told her that she was "under a lot of pressure" to end May’s investigation of S.C.I. and that if May didn’t halt the investigation, it "would be taken away" from the Funeral Commission and handled by Bush’s office.

Proving those allegations will likely be difficult, and Bush and his allies will do all they can to discredit May and her lawyer, Charles Herring Jr. May has been active in Democratic politics on the city and state level for more than a decade. From 1994—96, she served on the state Democratic Executive Committee, and from 1996—98 she was treasurer for the Texas Democratic Party. Herring is the former chairman of the Travis County Democratic Party. Those political connections certainly won’t help May pursue her claim. She also faces a potentially difficult adversary in Cornyn, who finds himself in the unusual position of defending Bush against May’s lawsuit while representing the Funeral Commission in its hearing against S.C.I. "

Lawyer wins another round in eminent domain case against the city City might argue the case in a lower court.

By Sarah Coppola AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Saturday, January 28, 2006

Little Guys who take on the government rarely win, unless the Little Guy is a guy like Harry Whittington.

Whittington, an Austin lawyer, is very rich, very stubborn and very patient — qualities that come in handy if, like him, you're waging a long legal battle against the city.

Six years ago, Austin condemned a downtown block Whittington's family owned to build a $10.5 million parking garage. Whittington's been fighting the city ever since. He racked up two legal victories last year, and on Friday racked up a third: The Texas Supreme Court denied the city's request to hear an appeal, which basically re-affirms a prior ruling in Whittington's favor.

The city law department, which has spent $387,000 on the case, doesn't plan to throw in the towel just yet. It can and will choose from two options, Austin's chief of litigation, Anne Morgan, said: Ask the state Supreme Court again to hear the case or argue the case in a county court trial, which Austin never had a chance to do.

Bring it on, says Whittington, who seems unfazed at having spent "hundreds of thousands of dollars" on his legal fees. He says his winning streak should give comfort to property owners unnerved by a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision in favor of city condemnations.

"This," Whittington, 78, said of his lawsuit, "shows how the judicial system should work if you stay with it."

Whittington's family, which owned the block on Red River between Fourth and Fifth streets since 1980, wanted to develop the lot into apartments or shops. But the city had other ideas: building a 700-space garage for visitors to the nearby convention center and Sixth Street, and a $19.3 million chiller to cool nearby buildings.

A board initially told the city to pay Whittington $3.6 million for the land, which Whittington rejected. Austin built the garage anyway and opened it last year. So far the city has earned about $181,000 charging for parking there, which helps pay back bonds used to build the facility.

Whittington lost Round One of his legal battle in 2002 when a county court judge ruled that the garage was a public use — the legal standard for condemnations — and a jury ruled that the block was worth $7.7 million. The city has set aside that money, but Whittington can't take it unless he stops appealing. And he doesn't plan on quitting now, especially with a few wins under his belt.

In June, the Third Court of Appeals agreed with Whittington that Austin failed to prove it needed the land for a public purpose.

In January 2005, a district judge ruled in Whittington's favor in a second lawsuit, saying Austin failed to condemn an alley on the block. That case is still pending in an appeals court.

The city faces a bevy of gloomy outcomes if it keeps losing, such as attempting to condemn the land again, demolishing the garage or giving Whittington a cut of the parking-garage profits. Both sides say they are willing to try to settle the case instead, yet neither seems willing to make the first move.

Whittington is always coy when asked how long he plans to fight, or exactly what he'll do with the land or garage if he wins them. At this point, he seems more invested in the battle itself.

"We're right on the law," he said. "And we're not in any hurry."

scoppola@statesman.com; 912-2939

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From Bush Watch:

Funeral Gate

http://www.bushwatch.com/gravedigger.htm

More on Funeral Gate:

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-26-03/discussion.cgi.163.html

"Formaldegate"

Full circle to KENYON .. http://joan-reports.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/12/42357/8656

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-12   23:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Flintlock (#0)

I just need to know...

Did he field dress the guy after he shot him?

Oh, and did he have a permit?

:)

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-12   23:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: robin (#28)

An EMT who attended to "Mr. Whittington" told the Huffington Post that, during the ambulance ride, he overheard Cheney mumbling, "Who's leaking now, f***ker?" and, "F***ker survived. Gotta work on my aim."

What ever happened to "I didn't know it was loaded"?


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2006-02-12   23:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Flintlock (#32)

Read this post from Daily Kos:

Local news on Austin TV (4.00 / 4)

said the gun was .28 gauge at 30 yards.

Normally, for dove and quail, #7 1/2 or #8 shot are used. This is small shot: in order of increasing size: rat shot, #8, #7 1/2, #6, #4, #2, bb's and buck shot, 0 and 00 (ought and double-ought).

For those of you who don't understand gauges, the smallest is 28 gauge; in increasing order or size, 20 gauge, 16 gauge, 12 gauge and 10 gaugge. Hardly anyone uses 10 gauge; it will kick your shoulder off.

For quail, a ground-hugging, fast flying bird as apt to run as fly, the initial response is to the break of the covey or individual birds. Dogs are normally used to spot the coveys, but the hunter usually does the flushing. Because many shots are close, lighter gauges are commonly used to avoid tearing up the birds. Longer shots are the exception for quail and that would be anything over 35-40 yards. The lighter gauges don't have much knock down power over 50 yards.

A 28 gauge with a dove load is a heck of a splatter at 90 feet, depending on the choke on which the gun is set. Considering the victim had pellets in his face, neck and upper torso, those pellets obviously penetrated clothing (it was colder, 40s-low 50s, and very windy Saturday), the shot was just off center of the pattern, perhaps a foot or so, and this could have been much worse with a direct hit.

As a person who grew up on a ranch and hunted from early childhood, the prime rule of hunting is always know where you are shooting. The hunter always has the primary responsibility in knowing where other hunters are because the hunter has control of the trigger. If you don't know whether someone is in range, you don't shoot. Period. Exceptions cause death and injury.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   0:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Flintlock, ALL (#32)

Something else quite interesting:

By Kathryn Garcia and Jaime Powell/Caller-Times February 12, 2006

...McBride, who confirmed the accident Sunday around noon, would not comment on whether the White House would have released the information had the Caller-Times not contacted them. The Caller-Times received a tip from a member of the Armstrong family Sunday morning, 18 hours after the incident occurred.

...Armstrong said Whittington holds no ill feelings toward Cheney and doesn't plan to sue.

"Oh, heavens, no," Armstrong said. "This happens, and my God, I've never seen a case of hard feelings. I bet this would deepen their friendship.

...[photo caption] Austin lawyer Harry Whittington owns property in Travis County worth at least $11 million, the Austin American-Statesman reported in 2005. He was appointed to the Texas Funeral Service Commission by then-Gov. George W. Bush.

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So this wasnt reported to the police.. the press found out got a tip re the shooting!

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   0:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#34)

Something else odd.. this was reported in the following article now this portion has disappeared?

"Katharine Armstrong, the ranch's owner, said Sunday that Cheney was using a 28-gauge shotgun and that Whittington was about 30 yards away when he was hit in the cheek, neck and chest. Each of the hunters was wearing a bright orange vest at the time, Armstrong told reporters. She said Whittington was "alert and doing fine."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11314137/

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   0:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Flintlock (#32)

What ever happened to "I didn't know it was loaded"?

Or...

"He looked an awful lot like a quail to me..."

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-13   0:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: All (#35)

One more thing that was pointed out on the DK thread about this:

"Cheney, Whittington and another hunter had gotten out of a car to shoot at a covey of quail at about 5:30 p.m. Saturday, according to Armstrong, who was in the party of four at her ranch."

Quail hunting from a car? You cant hunt quail from a car.. and stop when you see a flock? Aren't quail hunted with a bird dog.. a setter or pointer?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   0:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Zipporah (#33)

I know a guy who enjoys bird hunting. he accidentally shot his dog while hunting. with bird hunting the birds fly out of the bushes suddenly when you walk near them and people jerk their guns quickly to shoot. so it could happen if someone were stupid.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-13   0:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Zipporah (#37)

Quail hunting from a car? You cant hunt quail from a car.. and stop when you see a flock? Aren't quail hunted with a bird dog.. a setter or pointer?

yes, that's correct, you hunt them with a bird dog who points the birds out.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-13   0:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: question for hunters (#37)

Sunset in that area was at Sunset at 6:17 PM .. and this happened " The incident, which occurred at about 5:30 p.m., was first reported on the Web site of The Corpus Christi Caller-Times on Sunday."

Does this seem plausible? To be hunting quail this close to sundown?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   0:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Red Jones (#39)

yes, that's correct, you hunt them with a bird dog who points the birds out.

Impossible to be hunting quail from a car .. that makes no sense.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   0:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Zipporah (#41)

Impossible to be hunting quail from a car .. that makes no sense.

It's not normal but I've seen it. The quail run from cover to cover and you can hear them. And sometimes see them. I can remember driving down a country road and hearing a covey run from some bushes near the road to some cover further out in the field. We would stop and get out and go out into the field to flush them.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   0:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Zipporah (#40)

Does this seem plausible? To be hunting quail this close to sundown?

Seems like its a good time. Daybreak or late afternoon an hour or so beofre sunset is when they are in their coveys and it's a good time to turn the dogs loose and work the fields. You could get lucky and flush a load of them.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-02-13   0:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: ... (#42)

It's not normal but I've seen it. The quail run from cover to cover and you can hear them. And sometimes see them. I can remember driving down a country road and hearing a covey run from some bushes near the road to some cover further out in the field. We would stop and get out and go out into the field to flush them.

Possible then but not probable.. it's been years ago but I would go quail hunting with an uncle.. he had bird dogs and we would go early in the a.m. .. the quail were really nervous birds.. thats why I thought the car senario didnt seem plausible..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   0:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: BTP Holdings (#43)

Seems like its a good time. Daybreak or late afternoon an hour or so beofre sunset is when they are in their coveys and it's a good time to turn the dogs loose and work the fields. You could get lucky and flush a load of them.

As I said, when I was a kid we'd go very very early in the a.m... I just wanted to see if the story held water.. thanks.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   0:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Zipporah (#44)

I was a kid when I saw this, but it seemed that we drove from field to field in Kansas along a country road. We would stop at each hedge row and walk it trying to flush a covey. If we didn't find anything, we would drive to the next hedgerow. Sometimes we would hear them running like I said above.

...  posted on  2006-02-13   0:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: ... (#46)

Thanks and considering Cheney's heart and feet issues I guess it would make sense....

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/01/hobbled_up_but_.html

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   1:03:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Flintlock (#32)

An EMT who attended to "Mr. Whittington" told the Huffington Post that, during the ambulance ride, he overheard Cheney mumbling, "Who's leaking now, f***ker?" and, "F***ker survived. Gotta work on my aim."

What ever happened to "I didn't know it was loaded"?

As someone here already pointed out, the comedians have yet more material for this week. I was a little surprised to see some amusing attempts already: "Who's leaking now, f***ker?" and, "F***ker survived. Gotta work on my aim."

That's pretty good on short notice, with that picture of scooter in a hospital bed.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   7:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: All (#48)

Feisty and outspoken

That's how Whittington is described in this morning's Washington Post article.

Now I'm sure that Texan's mouth started this incident. That joke above with Scooter in the hospital bed is undoubtedly perfect for this weekend's Cheney event.

So Cheney, the thoroughly evil and miserable draft-dodging chickenhawk likes to hunt. Was there ever a more descpicable excuse for a human being? I defy Charles Dickens to invent a more twisted character. Uriah Heep's got nothin' on Dick Cheney.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   7:29:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Flintlock, Zipporah, siagiah, aristeides, Fred Mertz, Red Jones, Sam Houston, Jethro Tull (#32)

Comments on Huffington to the Scooter in hospital bed joke above:

Excerpts From Dick Cheney's Haiku Diary:

1.
I shot some pellets
Into the ass of a pal.
Double bourbon now!

2.
Just like Vietnam,
I watched my buddy bleeding.
Chickenhawk my ass!

3.
A Breathalyzer?
Go fuck yourself, officer!
You know who I am?

Posted by: MoeLarryAndJesus on February 12, 2006 at 09:07pm

*************************************

With such markmanship skills, it's a blessing Cheney earned his nickname, Deferment Dick, otherwise, the Vietnam Memorial Wall would extend into downtown Baltimore.

Posted by: Maxx61 on February 12, 2006 at 07:48pm

*************************************

Alternate headlines for this story:

* Cheney Shoots Hunting Companion, Says 'Duct Tape No Longer Enough'

* Terror Alert Raised; Cheney Shoots Hunting Companion

* VP's Pacemaker Shorts; Causes Itchy Trigger Finger to Misfire

* No Quail Left Unflushed: Cheney 'Just Trying to Get Some Meat to go With the Chablis'

* VP Cheney Mistakes Six-Foot Man in Hunting Jacket for Foot-Long Bird

* Cheney Apologizes for Wounding Hunting Partner: 'I Used to be a Better Shot'

Posted by: Ruckus on February 12, 2006 at 08:25pm

********************

New sign for Cheney's desk:

THE BUCK SHOT'S HERE

Posted by: Ruckus on February 12, 2006 at 08:26pm

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   7:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: robin (#50)

THE BUCK SHOT'S HERE

LOL, good one!


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2006-02-13   7:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: robin (#50)

We read on one of these threads that in Texas there are over one million hunting trips per year. and in all those hunting excursions there are only 14 incidents per year where a person gets shot. When you combine this with the rumors from Cathy O'Brien and others that Cheney is said to enjoy hunting people, we have to wonder what the heck is going on here.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-13   7:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Red Jones (#52)

Cheney is said to enjoy hunting people,

The last dictator of Guatamala used to do that with hookers.

His name was Fernando Lucas García. He and his cronies would get a bunch of hookers and have then run through the woods.

They'd chase'em on horseback, then......... well, you get the idea.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2006-02-13   8:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Red Jones (#52)

We read on one of these threads that in Texas there are over one million hunting trips per year. and in all those hunting excursions there are only 14 incidents per year where a person gets shot. When you combine this with the rumors from Cathy O'Brien and others that Cheney is said to enjoy hunting people, we have to wonder what the heck is going on here.

Old, twisted habits die hard?

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin America was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-13   8:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Fred Mertz (#27)

More Questions Raised About Delay in Reporting Cheney Misfire .

aristeides  posted on  2006-02-13   11:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: aristeides (#55)

How very interesting:

The confirmation was made but it is not known for certain that Cheney's office, the White House, or anyone else intended to announce the shooting if the reporter, Jaime Powell of the Corpus Christi Caller-Times, had not received word from the ranch owner.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   11:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Elliott Jackalope (#19)

You're right. Great evil has taken over the planet, we are all consumed by the fire of their hate and selfishness and wickedness. But it's not what they think, they've gained no victory, instead they've created a refiner's fire that is just starting to purify a great many souls. Millions are starting to wake up from their materialistic slumber, the signs are appearing in a million different stories being told by a million different people in a million different ways. The sleepwalkers are losing their outer shells, the light within is becoming ever more apparent to countless numbers of people. In the darkest of moments, suddenly those with eyes to see catch just the barest glimpse of what is true reality, and turn away from an illusion they can no longer bear to live in.

Someday the emptiness inside of these evil people will implode them, and the force of that implosion will shatter our society. At that point no one will be fooled any longer, and those who were already awake will busy themselves gathering up the broken and blackened shards of what had once been light.

YOWZA... you are one DEEP thinker EJ. Not joking w/ya, just impressed by your powerful words and figured I should say so.

I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...

siagiah  posted on  2006-02-13   11:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Sam Houston (#16)

Wow, I didn't even RECOGNIZE Cheney at first - then I noticed that little smirk. I think you have an excellent observation - that after 50 or 60 years of living your face, and especially your characteristic expression truly represent what you're about inside. If you look like a mean, bitter, nasty person when you're past 50, then that's probably what you are.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-13   11:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: robin (#29)

Hey Robin, HOW did you attach that video? And where can I find it on line? I'd like to send to a few folks.

I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...

siagiah  posted on  2006-02-13   11:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mehitable, siagiah, aristeides (#58)

Read this one.. bizarre:

Sport or Slaughter? VP's Hunting Trip Sparks Criticism

(KDKA) Pittsburgh Vice President Dick Cheney's hunting trip to Westmoreland County this week is drawing criticism.

Cheney arrived at the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport in Latrobe on Monday to do some hunting at the Rolling Rock Club and Game Preserve -- a private club with farm-raised pheasants; but some say it was no hunt -- it was a slaughter.

"Your average hunter may shoot more than three pheasants a day; Vice President Cheney shot more than 70 -- and an untold number of mallards... We're appalled that so many animals were killed for target practice essentially."-- Wayne Pacelle, V.P.- Humane Society of the US
Five-hundred pheasants were released in front of Cheney and his men; and the ten-man hunting party killed 417 of the birds. Vice President Cheney alone shot over 70 pheasants.

The birds were then plucked and vacuum-packed in time for Cheney's afternoon flight back to Washington, DC.

The hunt sparked the Humane Society to issue a statement chastising Cheney. "We're appalled that so many animals were killed -- for target practice essentially," says Humane Society Vice President Wayne Pacelle.
"To just slaughter animals that are dumped out in front of hunters just for the thrill of all this killing is not something that can be justified... this is more grisly than we ever could have imagined it could be."-- Wayne Pacelle, Humane Society
The White House isn't commenting.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   11:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Zipporah (#56)

Intelligence estimates out of Texas had identified Whittington as attempting to purchase suspicious quantities of "yellow quail". Cheney had formed a coalition to interdict the flow of insurgent quail into Texas and Whittington got in Cheney's line of fire.

It isn't Cheney's fault that Whittington was mistaken for quail. Everyone was fooled.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-02-13   11:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Starwind (#61)

Intelligence estimates out of Texas had identified Whittington as attempting to purchase suspicious quantities of "yellow quail". Cheney had formed a coalition to interdict the flow of insurgent quail into Texas and Whittington got in Cheney's line of fire.

It isn't Cheney's fault that Whittington was mistaken for quail. Everyone was fooled.

LOL!

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   11:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Starwind (#61)

I should've added this :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   11:40:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Zipporah (#60)

I'm trying to remember where I read that Hermann Göring and his guests used to have large numbers of game provided to them in this way to shoot, but I can't. It might have been a novel, so I'm not sure it's fact in Göring's case.

aristeides  posted on  2006-02-13   11:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Zipporah (#60)

"To just slaughter animals that are dumped out in front of hunters

makes me ill...

"It's an Inside Job"

christine  posted on  2006-02-13   11:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Flintlock (#25)

What do you think really happened? Maybe Whittington told Cheney to F*** off and Cheney gave him both barrels....

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-13   11:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: christine (#65)

makes me ill...

IMO this is outrageous .. I'm not antihunting at all but this isnt sport..it's wholesale slaughter..and for what?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-13   11:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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