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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
Views: 4033
Comments: 491

Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians

Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006

Why all the bad news?

The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud.

This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”

"In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt

Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government.

This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt?

The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter.

Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes."

It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute.

A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen.

My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government.

Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem.

I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone.

Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.”

It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers

As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer.

We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it.

In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers.

Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is:

"You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees,

"you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter."

Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today.

What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat?

God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are:

"fit only to be trodden under the feet of men."

But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda.

Start by watching our one hour presentation, with your friends, right on your computer, or you may buy it for your TV: Our best tool to help you teach, view it free: Why Christian-Zionist cannot work for peace, Interactive fully guided free audio/video.

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#98. To: Feynman Lives! (#69)

You get no points for being lazy.

Do you get points for being arrogant?

Of course I read the whole thread.

I give you points for trying to throw people off guard.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   22:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Dakmar (#94)

That's right. It wasn't until after abolition that coloreds started tempting white women with their devil weed.

By the time they figured out what to do with the stuff it was illegal.

...  posted on  2006-02-15   22:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Phaedrus, all (#95)

Actually I think Fleghman Lives serves a purpose in that he helps us, through his simplistic, half-witted rantings, to hone and sharpen our own ideas and arguments. Otherwise, most of the posters on 4 are intelligent, sane people who can debate, but we also have pretty similar opinions on most things. Sometimes it's good to have someone who is obviously...different...so we can better understand and communicate what we believe.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   22:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Phaedrus (#95)

I deconstructed one of his posts on an earlier Evolution thread, buried him

LOL... did you?

Perhaps you dreamed this, because it didn't happen on THIS thread.

I don't hate christianity nor am I an atheist, I am merely more educated on these subjects than you are.

Now, please show me where you think you buried me... ROFL

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Feynman Lives! (#82)

rguments have to be palatable now? I thought that they just had to be well founded and/or defensible with facts. I don't recall the last time I was told by a judge that my case was being dismissed because my argument was not PALATABLE.

How do you have a palatable argument with people who put their stock in ghosts and goblins that even Scooby Doo wouldn't bother to be afraid of.

If you felt I was impolite, Tom, then I sincerely apologize. Please accept my heartfelt sorrow over your upsetting incident here.

You are hanging yourself.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#97)

You sound like a particularly dim witted 12 year old. I assume your parents are passed out on the couch again.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   22:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: tom007 (#102)

You are hanging yourself.

What are you talking about, Tom?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Feynman Lives! (#84)

The foundations of the US.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: mehitable (#103)

You sound like a particularly dim witted 12 year old. I assume your parents are passed out on the couch again

Wow... LOL

YOU call ME a 12 year old and follow it up with that Oscar Wildean statement?

How gleefully ironic, you mocked YOURSELF.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Dakmar (#94)

That's right. It wasn't until after abolition that coloreds started tempting white women with their devil weed.

I don't think they had rolling paper in 1776. It's not their fault for not seeing the potential.

...  posted on  2006-02-15   22:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: tom007 (#105)

The foundations of the US.

Oh... do tell... this should be most amusing...

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: mehitable, Feynman Lives!, tom007 (#103)

You sound like a particularly dim witted 12 year old.

That or a Dallas ambulance chaser.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-15   22:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Feynman Lives! (#90)

BINGO!

Wow, you actually have FINALLY caught on... perhaps I should give you a cookie!

Diana! He "might " give you a cookie!!! GACK!

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Diana (#98)

Do you get points for being arrogant?

Of course I read the whole thread.

I give you points for trying to throw people off guard.

I get ten points each time I am arrogant, and a side of fries as well.

However, Diana, many times people who simply don't know what is going on mistake those who are simply being RIGHT for being arrogant.

I can see where you are making that mistake right now.

:)

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Dakmar (#109)

LMAO!!!! I think you've pulled his Cheney....

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   22:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Dakmar (#94)

That's right. It wasn't until after abolition that coloreds started tempting white women with their devil weed.

Works real well. ;))

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: ... (#107)

I don't think they had rolling paper in 1776. It's not their fault for not seeing the potential.

You poor schmuck, you've never seen History of the World?

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-15   22:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Dakmar (#114)

You poor schmuck, you've never seen History of the World?

GREAT film!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Diana (#98)

Do you get points for being arrogant?

"Points" are for jerks. Honest dialouge is for peoples trying to achieve higher vision. FL is a detriment to this whole concept. But you know this.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Dakmar (#114)

When did they invent the Brownie if yur so smart.

...  posted on  2006-02-15   22:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: tom007 (#116)

Tom,

If this discussion is not pleasing to you, then why do you partake of it? You are not forced to read this, nor to reply. Your actions make you complicit in the very thing that you are railing against.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: ... (#117)

When did they invent the Brownie if yur so smart

Right before they invented the Girl Scout!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: mehitable, Feckless (#100)

Sometimes it's good to have someone who is obviously...different...so we can better understand and communicate what we believe.

You're too kind. He spews cleverly worded streams of hate toward Christianity, having convinced himself there is no God and thus no truth, just words, and that they can mean whatever he wants them to mean. He is living proof that arrogance and ignorance are indeed synonymous.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   22:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Feynman Lives!, Phaedrus, diana (#101)

don't hate christianity nor am I an atheist, I am merely more educated on these subjects than you are.

IF you were an educated person, you would never have made this terribly ignorent statement. I know highly educated people, the more education you have, the more humble you become.

And there is a VERY GOOD reason for that, RF. Care to guess what it is?? As you are SO educated and such.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: ... (#39)

Do virtuous Mormons go to hell?

I have some comments on that. First, it is god who judges, not us. and the bible admonishes us for thinking we know how he judges. we basically don't understand that process. Second, there is somewhere in the bible, I wish I knew where, but a preacher showed me once, that it says people not of the faith will judged according to how pious they are. If they are loyal to their consciences, consciences being made by god and telling gods will, then they will be judged positively. It says specifically people not of the faith can be judged positively just by being virtuous, pious, loyal to their consciences.

It's fashionable to throw mud at mormons. I live in a city where a lot of mormons are. I work with a mormon. There's a lot of rotten preachers who advance idolatry, this is true in many 'christian' denominations and I'm sure in all 'religions'. many ordinary mormons believe in god. but I strongly distrust the hierarchy.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   22:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Feynman Lives! (#101)

I am merely more educated on these subjects than you are.

Now THAT is amusing.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   22:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Feynman Lives! (#119)

And you may wish to reacquaint yourself with the definition of "education".

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   22:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Feynman Lives! (#23)

thank you for making this a big thread. A lot of people are reading bible verses because of you. A lot of people are thinking. This is good.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   22:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Phaedrus, all (#120)

Well - perhaps - but I suspect from his arguments and tone, that he is very young and untried by life. He does not have much wisdom or understanding of people or he would not make such consistently patronizing and unappealing arguments. His posts are like being hit repeatedly with a day old mackerel. Maybe he can learn from the combined wisdom of the people on this forum. Certainly I have :)

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   22:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Phaedrus (#123)

am merely more educated on these subjects than you are. Now THAT is amusing.

Phaedrus, I am feeling the exact same way as you.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   22:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Phaedrus (#120)

You're too kind. He spews cleverly worded streams of hate toward Christianity, having convinced himself there is no God

I never said that there is no god, and you have yet to refute my points that the bible is a work of fiction.

Your 'words' are nothing more than that... just words. You have YET to prove otherwise.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Feynman Lives! (#118)

If this discussion is not pleasing to you, then why do you partake of it? You are not forced to read this, nor to reply. Your actions make you complicit in the very thing that you are railing against.

This is nonsense. I am not going away, you are too easy. Could have been a good discussion tho. But NOOOOO.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: ... (#117)

When did they invent the Brownie if yur so smart.

I don't know nothing about no Brownies, occifer!

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-15   22:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: All (#121)

F you were an educated person, you would never have made this terribly ignorent statement. I know highly educated people, the more education you have, the more humble you become.

And there is a VERY GOOD reason for that, RF. Care to guess what it is?? As you are SO educated and such.

Let me correct - The more "truely educated you are" the more humble you will become.

And their is a very profound reason for this.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: mehitable (#126)

but I suspect from his arguments and tone, that he is very young and untried by life.

Once again, you are mistaken.

What is the "wisdom" that you feel I have not learned from this group? Please, tell me.

I don't feel that this board is devoid of intelligence, far from it. I enjoy reading most of the threads on here. I take issue with those I have issue with, and leave supportive comments with ones I find agreeable. Plus, you have a great access to international newspapers here.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: tom007 (#129)

This is nonsense. I am not going away, you are too easy. Could have been a good discussion tho. But NOOOOO.

How have any of your comments contributed to anything that could remotely resemble a good discussion?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Feynman Lives!, diana (#118)

Tom,

If this discussion is not pleasing to you, then why do you partake of it? You are not forced to read this, nor to reply. Your actions make you complicit in the very thing that you are railing against.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman "THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

You seem to uncomfortable with my comments - is their a gulag you want to send me to?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Phaedrus (#123)

I am merely more educated on these subjects than you are.

Now THAT is amusing.

Phaedrus posted on 2006-02-15 22:49:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

It IS rich.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: mehitable (#126)

Well - perhaps - but I suspect from his arguments and tone, that he is very young and untried by life. He does not have much wisdom or understanding of people or he would not make such consistently patronizing and unappealing arguments.

Sounds about right.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Red Jones (#125)

A lot of people are thinking. This is good

Red,

I agree wholeheartedly with you on this point.

The more people THINK about things, instead of just going with ridiculous ghost- story nonsense that was handed down to them by people who were too fightened to question it, the better society will be. I do hope that MANY people read this thread and think.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#35)

Your hatred of God, like so many, blinds you.

that is so true. and I believe it says many times words to the effect of 'there are none who are so blind as he who will not see'

the phoney-man gets so excited about the bible and loves to attack it. Everyone should note how powerful the bible is. If it is not so powerful, then why is it attacked by the phoney-man?

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   23:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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