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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
Views: 4411
Comments: 491

Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians

Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006

Why all the bad news?

The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud.

This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”

"In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt

Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government.

This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt?

The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter.

Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes."

It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute.

A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen.

My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government.

Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem.

I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone.

Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.”

It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers

As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer.

We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it.

In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers.

Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is:

"You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees,

"you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter."

Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today.

What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat?

God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are:

"fit only to be trodden under the feet of men."

But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda.

Start by watching our one hour presentation, with your friends, right on your computer, or you may buy it for your TV: Our best tool to help you teach, view it free: Why Christian-Zionist cannot work for peace, Interactive fully guided free audio/video.

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#145. To: Feynman Lives! (#133)

How have any of your comments contributed to anything that could remotely resemble a good discussion?

I concede this point to you RF, completely. The discussion has become your dissing the honest posters with your signiture arrogence and pendatic voice. It makes one wonder if you , RF , really intended to have a dialouge at all.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Red Jones (#144)

ABSOLUTELY. There are phonies in all religions and those who use religion as a shield to grab power over the minds and property of others. And we know what's gonna happen to those folks....

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Phaedrus (#143)

when you read too much of what phoney-man says you want jesus to return so that he will separate the believers from the non-believers.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   23:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Feynman Lives! (#141)

I was simply expressing my compassion towards your obvious level of discomfort with the way things were going here. It was my concern for your well-being that prompted my comments, that is all, sweetie...

Grab a chair and relax! Get some scotch while you are at it.

Don't be a phoney, OK? It stinks.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: mehitable (#142)

When you know that you don't know everything, then you'll know what's important

Mehitable,

I already know that I don't know everything... MOST of the world is made up of things that we don't know we don't know.

As for my "tone"... well, that is YOUR perception of my writing, there is no TONE in text. You create the tone in how you choose to read it.

Watch, I will show you.

"Mehiitable, I love you."

NOW... what was my TONE in that statement? Was I angry, sarcastic, happy, or something else completely?

Being as how YOU know my TONE, you can tell me, right?

So... if you have a problem reading what I write, then it is on YOU, not me, sweetie.

I am not at odds with all of the posters here, I expressed a concern with those I disagreed with, and now am placed in the position of having to defend myself from people like you who choose to descend upon me without knowing what was going on in the first place. I am not even UPSET with anyone here, for that matter. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, provided they can support their position.

I am not even mad at you.

Oh, and I am not quite young, snookumz, I am even over 30.

Curious, why the question about MIT?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: tom007 (#148)

I was simply expressing my compassion towards your obvious level of discomfort with the way things were going here. It was my concern for your well-being that prompted my comments, that is all, sweetie... Grab a chair and relax! Get some scotch while you are at it.

Wow, Tom...

You have issues.

Hey MEHITABLE!! Here we have another perfect example of someone reading a tone into something that was not intended by the writer.

Tom COMPLETELY misread my statement and took it in the worst way possible.

Oh well.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Feynman Lives! (#149)

I'm just curious about MIT, that's all.

As for your tone, I don't think you're the best judge of that. I think virtually every poster on this board would characterize you pretty consistently in a negative manner. Sometimes when people say you have BO, you should check your pits.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Dakmar (#94)

That's right. It wasn't until after abolition that coloreds started tempting white women with their devil weed.

I heard it was the Mexicans who came to the US in the early part of the 20th century who brought their evil weed with them to corrupt the population and make the citizens go crazy. That's why they had to outlaw it.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Red Jones (#147)

when you read too much of what phoney-man says you want jesus to return so that he will separate the believers from the non-believers.

Wow, Red,

Talk about symmetry... the wheel has turned completely and we return to what STARTED Phaedrus on his little misguided rant.

You say you want Jesus to return, eh? Well, I just read this in the news.

JESUS CHRIST ANNOUNCES THAT HE IS NOT COMING BACK!

-WORLD NEWS-

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, whose return has been eagerly awaited by Christians for two millennia, is never coming back to earth, the Messiah himself announced today.

The Lord issued a surprisingly bitter statement to His followers explaining His decision. A transcript of that statement follows.

FINAL MESSAGE TO HUMANITY

To My followers:

When I made My promise to return to the world and deliver you from evil, I fully intended to keep that promise. Sadly, however, humanity has made Me change My mind. You're not worth redeeming. I'm washing My hands of this disastrous experiment in intelligent life and free will.

I was hoping you'd make some progress since the days when the Romans persecuted the Jews. But nothing has changed. You all still hate each other. You don't do much to feed the hungry, or shelter the homeless, or any of that other shit I told you to do. Why do you even pretend to care about My will? Why do you pray and sing hymns and read the Bible? Is it all just a charade to make you feel better about yourselves?

Never mind. I know the answer to that.

I've learned to hate your species for so many reasons. I can't stand your constant whining about your petty problems. I hate the way you adopt new slang words and catch phrases to try to 'out-hip' each other. I despise your bad table manners. Child pornography also kind of irks Me.

From now on, I'm going to concentrate on other intelligent life forms. Or maybe Dad and I will start a whole new Creation.

Before I do that, though, I want to share just a few of the reasons why you piss Me off. I mean, there are the obvious things, like violence and greed, but that's not what really gets Me.

What really gets Me are the little things. Like the stupid ways you pretend to believe in Me. Christian rock. Tattoos with My name on them. And don't even get Me started on those fucking T-shirts.

When you're not doing trivial things to show your devotion to Me, you're getting all bent out of shape over something pointless. Take 'animal rights.' My dad put animals on the planet to serve humanity. He gave you an enormous variety of creatures to do your work, to serve as your companions, and for you to eat. So now you've decided they have rights? And you attack people to defend those rights? Your ability to invent problems for yourselves never ceases to amaze Me.

I think I could forgive your sins if you were going somewhere culturally. You really had something going back there in the Renaissance. But then you just ran out of creative steam. I realize it gets harder and harder to think of anything original...but paintings of soup cans? That was a few decades ago; nowadays it's even worse. Someone throws crap at a wall and you act like it's profound.

Another thing that makes Me mad are all the bullshit religious myths. Stigmatas, for example. Only one person got a real stigmata, and that's Me. The whole stigmata phenomenon just goes to show that you people can't stand letting someone else get all the attention.

You've got all this nonsense occupying your thoughts when you should be concentrating on more important things. Like not destroying the world, for example. In case you haven't noticed, greenhouse gases are threatening to make the planet uninhabitable, and the kooks of the world are starting to get their hands on nuclear weapons. Guess you can't be bothered with that when American Idol is on.

Think I'm going to save you from self-annihilation? Think again. When you obliterate yourselves, don't come crying to Me.

Yours truly,

Jesus Christ
Office of Redemption and Salvation

P.S. I want My shroud back.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Feynman Lives! (#150)

om COMPLETELY misread my statement and took it in the worst way possible.

OK - I'm going to find some scotch, somewhere.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: tom007 (#96)

The oldest reference to hemp that I am aware of is from a radio NPR thinggy, that stated a Jewish women's toumb was excavated c. 800BC? that contained a pipe and hemp -' she died in childbirth, and numerous sources indicate hemp being a good analgesic to have around in a situation like this.

Queen Victoria used it to relieve the pains of her monthly womanly thing.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Red Jones (#147)

when you read too much of what phoney-man says you want jesus to return so that he will separate the believers from the non-believers.

But sometimes no help from Jesus is required.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Red Jones (#138)

Everyone should note how powerful the bible is. If it is not so powerful, then why is it attacked by the phoney-man?

Wow, then the MUSLIMS must have backed the right horse, cuz THEY are the ones who are responding powerfully when someone makes so much as a CARTOON about their god!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: tom007, Red Jones, Phaedrus, all (#154)

DAMN - I just realized. Are we all really SO bored that we're spending all this time talking to Fleghman Lives?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: All, red jones (#154)

OK - I'm going to find some scotch, somewhere.

Red, ya gotta a flask of Jonnie Walker?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: tom007 (#154)

OK - I'm going to find some scotch, somewhere

Good call, and may I suggest a Mac 18, straight up, with a nice AVO #3 cigar?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:15:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: mehitable (#158)

DAMN - I just realized. Are we all really SO bored that we're spending all this time talking to Fleghman Lives?

Kinda Embaressing. Got any Scotch?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Diana (#152)

Yeah, and it's a good thing Teddy Roosevelt stopped Cuba from invading the Phillipines.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-15   23:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: tom007 (#161)

Nah, just some rum...oh, and a bottle of Kahlua.

Hey, we should think up some new drinks in honor of Dick Cheney and his latest calamity. I'm wondering what we'd put into a Dick on the Rocks?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: mehitable (#158)

Everyone should note how powerful the bible is. If it is not so powerful, then why is it attacked by the phoney-man?

DAMN - I just realized. Are we all really SO bored that we're spending all this time talking to Fleghman Lives?

Mehitable...

Apparently, it is because my ideas are so powerful.

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Feynman Lives! (#160)

Good call, and may I suggest a Mac 18, straight up, with a nice AVO #3 cigar?

I would suspect this is totaly out of the range of what I am willng to pay for consumables

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#164)

WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

Ever heard of the phenomenon of the "runt of the litter"?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: mehitable (#163)

I'm wondering what we'd put into a Dick on the Rocks?

Lead shot?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Feynman Lives! (#153)

Jesus Christ

Office of Redemption and Salvation

P.S. I want My shroud back.

You're not a serious person, Feyn, just some clueless kid with a keyboard. And that's not a compliment, Feyn. But don't take your stuff out into the world. There are those who will knock your block off. And for the record, this is not a personal threat, just an observation. You are incredibly offensive. By design? Certainly not by Intelligent Design.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: mehitable (#166)

Ever heard of the phenomenon of the "runt of the litter"?

So you are now saying that the bible is the runt of the litter?

interesting....

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: tom007 (#167)

heh heh heh....and maybe a quail feather.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Feynman Lives!, Christine, Red Jones (#64)

With all due respect, he just got done ADMITTING that the bible is NOT a work of fact, so what does it matter what is said in the book?

I did not. I said it may have been perverted in areas, but the vast majority of it is truth, for those who have eyes to see. Those who are called. Those who are chosen. Those who know and love God. Not those who hate Him.

BTW, Jesus' last words were in the book of Revelation, chapter 22.

Your twisting of the truth, and your obsession to make children of hell is indicative of an unclean spirit. Thomas Jefferson did not believe in Jesus Christ either, as you pointed out. Look at the United States he and the other so-called "Founding Fathers" left us. Only Patrick Henry, who was a Christian, predicted the hellhole we have today. That's why he wouldn't sign the constitution.

Christine, Red Jones,

Know what I think? I think the truth is getting out there, and they're trying to come up with a new angle. I predicted to my kids a month or two ago. Watch to see more and more of the "God is dead" or "God doesn't exist" routine. Right on schedule comes Feynman.

America was most definitely founded by God. That cross that was planted by the first colonists at Cape Henry were a mustard seed. 86 percent of Americans consider themselves Christian. The problem is, as Cornwallis told George Washington, "A holy war will now begin against America....in 200 years her churches will be teaching the Jews' religion." That is what happened. The Judeo-Freemasons came in preaching "equality" and "freedom of religion" to get a big enough foothold to eventually destroy Christianity. It was all a lie. The Talmud teaches only "Jews" are men, and the rest are beasts. Therefore, when they say "all men are created equal", what they really meant was all JEWS are created equal. Christian Americans, who were for the most part, children of light, fell for all the lies the children of darkness fed them. It was not in the Christian to see the evil lurking like a serpent, waiting to strike.

I think the churches could use a little more doses of reality.

Drop off some of the following:

http://noahide.com/xmas.htm

[also Merry Christmas and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!] [SEARCH]

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19316

http://rense.com/general61/work.htm

I have to wonder if some of the Baptist churches that were burned down were starting to "get it". I heard that a US flag was thrown on the lawn at one of them.

That flag, I hate to tell you, is Masonic and antiChrist, especially the one with the gold fringe and eagle on top.

Read the battle of the eagles at Ezekiel 17, and Matthew 15:13. This government is going down. Psalm 2. Micah 4. Those who are not with Christ, scatter abroad. Think of the parable of the ten virgins. "Not all who say Lord, Lord...will get in the door, but only those who do the will of my Father in heaven."

War-mongers need not apply.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for THEY shall be called the children of God. Matthew 5.

Time for repentence.

Not all will be saved. Particularly not those who refuse to enter the sheepfold, but also prevent others from entering. Better a millstone were around their neck.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-02-15   23:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: mehitable (#158)

Are we all really SO bored that we're spending all this time talking to Fleghman Lives?

Yeh, time to go.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#169)

OHHHHHH - NOW I understand... It's so bloody obvious. YOU are God. It was just whacking me in the face like a wet mackerel.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Phaedrus (#172)

See ya latah :)

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Phaedrus (#168)

But don't take your stuff out into the world. There are those who will knock your block off. And for the record, this is not a personal threat, just an observation

Phaedrus,

While I do appreciate your concern, I shall not worry and keep on truckin' without regard for those who will knock my block off for daring to say that their belief in ghosts just MIGHT be unfounded.

I am a VERY serious person, who wonders how and why any other SERIOUS person could put so much stock in a book that was so poorly written and factualy vacuous.

Becuase I speak my mind, you feel people who believe the same way YOU do will become physically VIOLENT?

WOW, that says VOLUMES about the instability of your belief system.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:24:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: tom007 (#159)

no, but I have a Mr. budweiser.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   23:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Feynman Lives! (#164)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

This is classic, Feyn. It's because you crave attention, isn't it? Now I REALLY gotta go.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Feynman Lives! (#111)

However, Diana, many times people who simply don't know what is going on mistake those who are simply being RIGHT for being arrogant.

A lot of people are convinced that they are right in situations when there is really no way of knowing the truth.

I like to keep an open mind on most issues, especially where there is no proof. There are some things we can never be sure of.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:27:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Diana (#178)

You can make so much sense, it's scary.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Feynman Lives! (#164)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

Good Lord Man - get ahold of yourself - do you not think we have been thoughtfull of these ideas before???????

Your arguments are sopmorphic, most of 4um have seen 'em.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#171)

(1)"With all due respect, he just got done ADMITTING that the bible is NOT a work of fact, so what does it matter what is said in the book?"
"I did not. I said it may have been perverted in areas, but the vast majority of it is truth, for those who have eyes to see."

(2)BTW, Jesus' last words were in the book of Revelation, chapter 22.

(3)Your twisting of the truth...

(1)The bible either IS the true word of god or it is NOT. It can't be a buffet line of truth where only YOU can tell me which food is fresh and which food is spoiled. TRUTH does not work that way, it is a BINARY funtion.

(2) That is only ONE place where his "supposed" last words were "supposedly" recorded. Because Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Hmm, Houston, we have a problem.... for quite surprisingly, old Matty must have had it wrong be cause you can see CLEARLY what Jesus said before he croaked in Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
Wait.. HOLD YOUR HORSIES... that can't be right... I am pretty sure that the authority on this was John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Now you say that ALL of those are wrong? So even YOU admit that the bible is NOT true.

Nice.

(3)HOW am I twisting the truth of my point #2? It is RIGHT OUT OF THE BIBLE. ROFLMAO!

I think you fell off your horsie and landed on your head.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: Feynman Lives! (#164)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

Get a grip.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: tom007 (#180)

Good Lord Man - get ahold of yourself - do you not think we have been thoughtfull of these ideas before???????

Your arguments are sopmorphic, most of 4um have seen 'em.

Tom,

You certianly do not respond in a manner that remotely suggests that you have seen anything but lockstep adherence to whatever goofy ideas are thrown up against the wall here.

From what I read, people who DARE to disagree are vilified and portrayed as evil and misguided.

So, no, while you may have HEARD these ideas before, you have given them NO THOUGHT.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:40:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#181)

Besides Christianity, what other bugs do you have up your ass?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: All (#182)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are.

Your ideas are the introduction to western civ.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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