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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
Views: 4138
Comments: 491

Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians

Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006

Why all the bad news?

The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud.

This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”

"In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt

Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government.

This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt?

The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter.

Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes."

It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute.

A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen.

My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government.

Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem.

I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone.

Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.”

It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers

As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer.

We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it.

In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers.

Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is:

"You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees,

"you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter."

Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today.

What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat?

God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are:

"fit only to be trodden under the feet of men."

But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda.

Start by watching our one hour presentation, with your friends, right on your computer, or you may buy it for your TV: Our best tool to help you teach, view it free: Why Christian-Zionist cannot work for peace, Interactive fully guided free audio/video.

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#242. To: Feynman Lives! (#241)

My example illustrated how absurd it would be to say that just because the bible, a work of fiction, has some historical accuracy to it, that is the true word of god. If that were the case, all historical fictions could then be considered to be the work of god.

yet again false premise.. try again.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   14:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: Phaedrus (#240)

I never said I was an atheist a marxist or anti-christian ...

Nor have you denied it.

However, Phaedrus just slung all that mud at me in an OUTRAGEOUS fashion.

If what I say is true, it cannot correctly be characterized as slinging mud.

Phaedrus LAUGHINGLY states that he feels no need to seek agreement from others, but he can not stop himself from attacking me at every opportunity simply because it appears that I might DISAGREE with him.

This is an example of your routine mischaracterization of my posts and position.

I hereby state that what you say is not true, and you ARE corretly characterized as slinging mud and comporting yourself in an outrageous and highly inappropriate fashion.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: Zipporah (#242)

My example illustrated how absurd it would be to say that just because the bible, a work of fiction, has some historical accuracy to it, that is the true word of god. If that were the case, all historical fictions could then be considered to be the work of god. yet again false premise.. try again.

Zip,

What is the false premise?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#243)

Sure there are some good things that come out of christianity.

Tell me what they are.

You haven't answered my question, by the way.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   14:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: Feynman Lives! (#244)

I already stated it.. how about this:

"For example, consider this syllogism, which involves an obvious false premise:

* The streets are wet only after it has rained. (premise)
* The streets are wet. (premise)
* Therefore it has recently rained. (conclusion)"

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   14:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: mehitable (#238)

Sure there are some good things that come out of christianity. Tell me what they are.

Well, here are a few:

-Christmas - great for the economy
-The HAIL MARY pass in football
-Those cool "WWJD" bracelets that are ever-so-fashionable these days
-and Christian Slater (would not have such a cool name without Christianity)

There ya go.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: Feynman Lives! (#243)

I hereby state that what you say is not true, and you ARE corretly characterized as slinging mud and comporting yourself in an outrageous and highly inappropriate fashion.

Then I must call you a liar, much as I have no wish to -- your earlier posts contradict. Because you now say so does not make it so. Your next post will say something else.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-16   14:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: Zipporah (#246)

"For example, consider this syllogism, which involves an obvious false premise:

* The streets are wet only after it has rained. (premise) * The streets are wet. (premise) * Therefore it has recently rained. (conclusion)"

Now I see what you are getting at, Zip,

Again, I was using the absurdity of the statement that the bible is true because it contains a few historically accurate statements, and running with that absurd point. Of COURSE the conclusion of my absurd point would be absurd. That was the point of it.
:)

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: Phaedrus (#248)

Then I must call you a liar, much as I have no wish to -- your earlier posts contradict. Because you now say so does not make it so. Your next post will say something else

Again, calling me a liar is an outrageous statement.

I say NO WHERE in my earlier posts that I am an atheist, a marxist OR that I am anti-christian.

You are incorrect, Phaedrus.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: Feynman Lives! (#250)

No pro-Christian ridicules Christianity. Get real, FL -- you must think that we're ALL very stupid.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-16   14:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: Feynman Lives! (#247)

Well, here are a few:

-Christmas - great for the economy -The HAIL MARY pass in football -Those cool "WWJD" bracelets that are ever-so-fashionable these days -and Christian Slater (would not have such a cool name without Christianity)

You're such a deep thinker.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   14:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: mehitable (#252)

You're such a deep thinker.

LOL!

Hospitals, universities, etc were all started as Christian organizations.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   14:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: Zipporah (#253)

Well that's nothing compared to a charm bracelet or football pass. Where the heck are your priorities, Zip?

I think we're seeing gubmint edumacation in action here.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   14:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: mehitable (#254)

Well that's nothing compared to a charm bracelet or football pass. Where the heck are your priorities, Zip?

I think we're seeing gubmint edumacation in action here.

Hmm my priorites?? Let's see.. the TRUTH?? :P

LOL

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   14:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: Phaedrus (#251)

No pro-Christian ridicules Christianity. Get real, FL -- you must think that we're ALL very stupid.

Phaedrus,

I don't think that you are ALL very stupid, but I am getting the distinct impression that YOU are.

Just because one is not PRO something does not mean that they are AGAINST it, silly man.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: mehitable (#252)

Well, here are a few: -Christmas - great for the economy -The HAIL MARY pass in football -Those cool "WWJD" bracelets that are ever-so-fashionable these days -and Christian Slater (would not have such a cool name without Christianity)

You're such a deep thinker.

Hey, you asked...

Glad to oblige...

:)

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: Zipporah (#255)

Hmm my priorites?? Let's see.. the TRUTH?? :P

Zip,

And pray, do tell, what IS "The Truth?"

I spoke the truth when I answered her question.

:)

*jumps on the couch and eagerly awaits the answer

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: Feynman Lives! (#258)

The truth is exactly what I posted.. that the majority of universities and hospitals were started as Christian organizations as were soup kitchens and the majority of social service agencies.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   14:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: Feynman Lives! (#258)

*jumps on the couch and eagerly awaits the answer

Hey, get off the couch or I'm getting the newspaper.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   14:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: Zipporah (#259)

The truth is exactly what I posted.. that the majority of universities and hospitals were started as Christian organizations as were soup kitchens and the majority of social service agencies.

Ok, but what I posted was ALSO the truth.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: mehitable (#260)

Hey, get off the couch or I'm getting the newspaper.

*hops off couch and scampers into the pantry

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: Feynman Lives! (#261)

Ok, but what I posted was ALSO the truth.

I take exception to that..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   15:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: Feynman Lives! (#262)

*hops off couch and scampers into the pantry

and stay away from the cheese - I'm saving that for dinner.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   15:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: Feynman Lives! (#262)

*hops off couch and scampers into the pantry

WTF .. sounds like something from some porn net room.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   15:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: Zipporah (#265)

ROFLMAO - maybe he used to be in Abu Grabass.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   15:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: mehitable (#266)

ROFLMAO - maybe he used to be in Abu Grabass.

LOL!.. hahahaha

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   15:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Feynman Lives! (#262)

Just so you know, Pontius Pilate/Con Op is a great opponent of your ideas..here's the url:

http://postliberty.com/cgi-bin/latestcomments.cgi

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   15:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Zipporah (#263)

Ok, but what I posted was ALSO the truth. I take exception to that..

Zip,

With what, exactly, do you take exception?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: mehitable (#264)

and stay away from the cheese - I'm saving that for dinner

DAMMIT!

*veers off onto the patio....

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: Zipporah (#268)

ok

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: Feynman Lives! (#269)

With what, exactly, do you take exception?

Several actually.. but for now I'll say regarding your answer to Mehitable:

Well, here are a few: -Christmas - great for the economy -The HAIL MARY pass in football -Those cool "WWJD" bracelets that are ever-so-fashionable these days -and Christian Slater (would not have such a cool name without Christianity)

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   15:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: Zipporah (#272)

With what, exactly, do you take exception?

Several actually.. but for now I'll say regarding your answer to Mehitable: Well, here are a few: -Christmas - great for the economy -The HAIL MARY pass in football -Those cool "WWJD" bracelets that are ever-so-fashionable these days -and Christian Slater (would not have such a cool name without Christianity)

With what in my response to Mehitable (and thank you for limiting the scope of this conversation to that which we were actually discussing) do you take exception with, and why?

Everything I said was the truth, much like your comments.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: Feynman Lives! (#273)

With what in my response to Mehitable (and thank you for limiting the scope of this conversation to that which we were actually discussing) do you take exception with, and why?

Everything I said was the truth, much like your comments.

Gawd you're good at milking every fine point ..I bet you're not married!.. anyway.. you chose to ignore the facts re what Christians have accomplished by belittling basically.. One can disagree but it's less than honest to take that approach.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   15:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: Zipporah (#274)

Gawd you're good at milking every fine point ..I bet you're not married!.. anyway.. you chose to ignore the facts re what Christians have accomplished by belittling basically.. One can disagree but it's less than honest to take that approach

Zip, old chum,

That simply is not the case.

I did not ignore the benefits that the cult of christianity have brought to our species. Mehitable asked if I saw any benefits - she did not say I had to point to SIGNIFICANT benefits, just benefits. She was not very specific.

I believe you are over-reacting to my response.

My approach was very honest.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: Feynman Lives! (#275)

I did not ignore the benefits that the cult of christianity have brought to our species. Mehitable asked if I saw any benefits - she did not say I had to point to SIGNIFICANT benefits, just benefits. She was not very specific.

I believe you are over-reacting to my response.

My approach was very honest.

Of course I dont see it that way .. as you dont see my point.. IMO it wasn't totally honest.. look at the facts no matter where it takes you even if you have to rethink and change your position.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   15:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: Zipporah (#276)

Of course I dont see it that way .. as you dont see my point.. IMO it wasn't totally honest.. look at the facts no matter where it takes you even if you have to rethink and change your position.

Zip,

How exactly was it not honest?

She asked if I saw benefits. I did indeed see benefits. I listed some of those benefits.

How were my actions DISHONEST?

I realize that YOU feel that they were not honest, but in order to be dishonest, they would have to be, at the very least, false in some way. My statements were NOT false in any way, and therefore were not dishonest.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: Zipporah (#268)

http://postliberty.com/cgi-bin/latestcomments.cgi

I checked out that thread... yikes!

The conduct on that forum makes the stuff here look like kiddie time... I didn't find evidence of what you purported about that pontius fella, but I DID see surprisingly vile conduct from many of the members of THIS site.

Most illuminating...

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   16:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: Feynman Lives! (#277)

just wondering why you're referring to Zipporah as "old chum." you do know she's female?

"It's an Inside Job"

christine  posted on  2006-02-16   16:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: christine (#279)

just wondering why you're referring to Zipporah as "old chum." you do know she's female?

Christine,

Zip's gender was of no concern to me, and no I did not know she was female. I referred to Zip as 'old chum' as a friendly gesture. Now that I do know that Zip is a she, I shall choose a new affectionate appellation for her.

Thanks for the heads up.

Monty

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   17:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: Feynman Lives! (#280)

you're welcome, Richard. :P

"It's an Inside Job"

christine  posted on  2006-02-16   17:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: Feynman Lives! (#278)

I checked out that thread... yikes!

The conduct on that forum makes the stuff here look like kiddie time... I didn't find evidence of what you purported about that pontius fella, but I DID see surprisingly vile conduct from many of the members of THIS site.

Most illuminating..

Most illuminating? Vile conduct? Now it seems youre being a tad judgemental .. a moral higher ground? Based on what?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   17:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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