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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
Views: 4045
Comments: 491

Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians

Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006

Why all the bad news?

The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud.

This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”

"In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt

Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government.

This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt?

The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter.

Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes."

It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute.

A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen.

My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government.

Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem.

I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone.

Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.”

It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers

As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer.

We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it.

In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers.

Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is:

"You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees,

"you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter."

Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today.

What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat?

God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are:

"fit only to be trodden under the feet of men."

But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda.

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#1. To: Red Jones (#0)

JESUS CHRIST ANNOUNCES THAT HE IS NOT COMING BACK!

-WORLD NEWS-

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, whose return has been eagerly awaited by Christians for two millennia, is never coming back to earth, the Messiah himself announced today.

The Lord issued a surprisingly bitter statement to His followers explaining His decision. A transcript of that statement follows.

FINAL MESSAGE TO HUMANITY

To My followers:

When I made My promise to return to the world and deliver you from evil, I fully intended to keep that promise. Sadly, however, humanity has made Me change My mind. You're not worth redeeming. I'm washing My hands of this disastrous experiment in intelligent life and free will.

I was hoping you'd make some progress since the days when the Romans persecuted the Jews. But nothing has changed. You all still hate each other. You don't do much to feed the hungry, or shelter the homeless, or any of that other shit I told you to do. Why do you even pretend to care about My will? Why do you pray and sing hymns and read the Bible? Is it all just a charade to make you feel better about yourselves?

Never mind. I know the answer to that.

I've learned to hate your species for so many reasons. I can't stand your constant whining about your petty problems. I hate the way you adopt new slang words and catch phrases to try to 'out-hip' each other. I despise your bad table manners. Child pornography also kind of irks Me.

From now on, I'm going to concentrate on other intelligent life forms. Or maybe Dad and I will start a whole new Creation.

Before I do that, though, I want to share just a few of the reasons why you piss Me off. I mean, there are the obvious things, like violence and greed, but that's not what really gets Me.

What really gets Me are the little things. Like the stupid ways you pretend to believe in Me. Christian rock. Tattoos with My name on them. And don't even get Me started on those fucking T-shirts.

When you're not doing trivial things to show your devotion to Me, you're getting all bent out of shape over something pointless. Take 'animal rights.' My dad put animals on the planet to serve humanity. He gave you an enormous variety of creatures to do your work, to serve as your companions, and for you to eat. So now you've decided they have rights? And you attack people to defend those rights? Your ability to invent problems for yourselves never ceases to amaze Me.

I think I could forgive your sins if you were going somewhere culturally. You really had something going back there in the Renaissance. But then you just ran out of creative steam. I realize it gets harder and harder to think of anything original...but paintings of soup cans? That was a few decades ago; nowadays it's even worse. Someone throws crap at a wall and you act like it's profound.

Another thing that makes Me mad are all the bullshit religious myths. Stigmatas, for example. Only one person got a real stigmata, and that's Me. The whole stigmata phenomenon just goes to show that you people can't stand letting someone else get all the attention.

You've got all this nonsense occupying your thoughts when you should be concentrating on more important things. Like not destroying the world, for example. In case you haven't noticed, greenhouse gases are threatening to make the planet uninhabitable, and the kooks of the world are starting to get their hands on nuclear weapons. Guess you can't be bothered with that when American Idol is on.

Think I'm going to save you from self-annihilation? Think again. When you obliterate yourselves, don't come crying to Me.

Yours truly,

Jesus Christ Office of Redemption and Salvation

P.S. I want My shroud back.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   0:38:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Feynman Lives!, All (#1)

It kinda disgusts me when Christianity, which just happens to be the foundation of our way of life, of Western Science and Civiliation, is ridiculed and attacked. Some modicum of respect would seem due.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   14:08:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Phaedrus (#3)

It kinda disgusts me when Christianity, which just happens to be the foundation of our way of life, of Western Science and Civiliation, is ridiculed and attacked. Some modicum of respect would seem due.

Phaedrus,

"The foundation of our way of life?"

Whose way of life would that be? America was not founded on Christianity. If you mistakenly think that it was, perhaps you need to look at the Constitution and study more about the people who wrote the document.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."


-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

Well... LOOKEE THERE... one of our FOUNDING FATHERS agrees not with you... but with me.

Such extremists like you try mistakenly to claim that U.S. law has religious roots. Yet the Constitution contains NO REFERENCE to a deity.

The Declaration of Independence contains NOT ONE WORD on religion, basing its authority on the shocking idea that power is derived from ordinary people, which challenged European traditions of rule by divine right and/or heavenly authority. (Remember, George III was king of England and anointed head of its church.)

The words “Nature’s God,” the “Creator” and “divine Providence ” do appear in the Declaration. But in its context — an era, and author, Thomas Jefferson, that celebrated science and the Enlightenment — these words are analogous to our contemporary phrase “life force.”

Jerry Falwell notoriously blamed 9/11 on “pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians … [and other groups] who have tried to secularize America.”

He’s a bit late: In 1798, Alexander Hamilton accused Jefferson of a “conspiracy to establish atheism on the ruins of Christianity” in the new republic. Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence William Boykin thunders, “We’re a Christian nation.”

But the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams — proclaims: “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion.”

Let's all say that together, shall we?

THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION.

Imagine that.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   14:31:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION

LOL...

Sorry about the misquote...

"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION."

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   14:37:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Feynman Lives! (#7)

It kinda disgusts me when Christianity, which just happens to be the foundation of our way of life, of Western Science and Civiliation, is ridiculed and attacked. Some modicum of respect would seem due.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   14:50:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Phaedrus (#8)

It kinda disgusts me when Christianity, which just happens to be the foundation of our way of life, of Western Science and Civiliation, is ridiculed and attacked. Some modicum of respect would seem due.

Phaedrus,

Sorry to be the one to break the TRUTH to you, but Christianity IS NOT the foundation of our way of life.

From our first president, this is shown to be the case.

The false image of Washington as a devout Christian was fabricated by Mason Locke Weems, a clergyman who also invented the cherry-tree fable and in 1800 published his Life of George Washington. Washington, a Deist and a Freemason, never even ONCE mentioned the name of Jesus Christ in any of his thousands of letters, and pointedly referred to divinity as “It.”

Whenever he (rarely) attended church, Washington always deliberately left before communion, demonstrating disbelief in Christianity’s central ceremony.

It’s also a commonly stated error that U.S. law, based on English common law, is thus grounded in Judeo-Christian tradition.

Yet Jefferson (writing to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814 ) noted that common law “is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England …about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century. …We may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”

Again, Phaedrus, sorry to burst your bubble and all, but you needed to be told.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   14:56:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Feynman Lives! (#9)

The situation is actually worse from your "point-of-view": All of Western Civilization is founded upon Christianity, which is not news to most of us. You would like to rewrite history, I'm sure.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   15:09:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Phaedrus (#11)

Phaedrus,

You might want to consider, before you make a bigger fool of yourself, that Greece is considered the foundation of western civilization because their art, philosophy, science, political ideas etc went on to spread throughout Europe and many places around the globe. Now, the Greeks did not wake up one day and say, "why don't we create western civilization," but they sure as hell WEREN'T christians.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   15:24:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Feynman Lives! (#13)

It kinda disgusts me when Christianity, which just happens to be the foundation of our way of life, of Western Science and Civiliation, is ridiculed and attacked. Some modicum of respect would seem due.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   15:25:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Phaedrus (#14)

It kinda disgusts me when Christianity, which just happens to be the foundation of our way of life, of Western Science and Civiliation, is ridiculed and attacked. Some modicum of respect would seem due

Phaedrus,

I see that you have NOTHING substantive to offer in your defense of your mythological beliefs...

So, I will RESTATE this for you, as it applies to the central point of your myth.

You might want to consider, before you make a bigger fool of yourself, that Greece is considered the foundation of western civilization because their art, philosophy, science, political ideas etc went on to spread throughout Europe and many places around the globe. Now, the Greeks did not wake up one day and say, "why don't we create western civilization," but they sure as hell WEREN'T christians.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   15:59:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Feynman Lives! (#15)

You might want to consider, before you make a bigger fool of yourself, that Greece is considered the foundation of western civilization because their art, philosophy, science, political ideas etc went on to spread throughout Europe and many places around the globe.

I thought the argument was over whether the US has traditionally been a Christian country, not Ancient Greece.

I'm sure you know that Catholic Church ruled with an iron fist throughout Europe for a few hundred years.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   20:29:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Diana (#48)

thought the argument was over whether the US has traditionally been a Christian country, not Ancient Greece

See, this is where you need to go back and read what was said BEFORE jumping in when you don't know what is going on, Diana.

He said "It kinda disgusts me when Christianity, which just happens to be the foundation of our way of life, of Western Science and Civiliation, is ridiculed and attacked."

It is not about whether or not there are traditional values existent in socitety, it is about the FOUNDATION of our way of life, western science and civilization.

Sorry, but christianity just ain't the right answer... sure it has influence now, but it was not the FOUNDATION of it all... not by a longshot.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   20:35:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Feynman Lives!, diana (#50)

Sorry, but christianity just ain't the right answer... sure it has influence now, but it was not the FOUNDATION of it all... not by a longshot.

So what was?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   21:43:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: tom007 (#55)

So what was?

Tom,

IF you had read the thread, you would have seen where this question was ALREADY answered.

If you read the entire thread and STILL can't get your answer, THEN come back to me.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   21:45:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Feynman Lives! (#56)

To: tom007

So what was?

Tom,

IF you had read the thread, you would have seen where this question was ALREADY answered.

If you read the entire thread and STILL can't get your answer, THEN come back to me.

Okey I'll bite, are you referring to the remarks of the founding fathers?

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   22:00:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Diana (#63)

Okey I'll bite, are you referring to the remarks of the founding fathers?

Again, if you READ the the thread, that is asked and answered.

You get no points for being lazy.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:04:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Feynman Lives! (#69)

You get no points for being lazy.

Do you get points for being arrogant?

Of course I read the whole thread.

I give you points for trying to throw people off guard.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   22:29:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Diana (#98)

Do you get points for being arrogant?

Of course I read the whole thread.

I give you points for trying to throw people off guard.

I get ten points each time I am arrogant, and a side of fries as well.

However, Diana, many times people who simply don't know what is going on mistake those who are simply being RIGHT for being arrogant.

I can see where you are making that mistake right now.

:)

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:35:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Feynman Lives! (#111)

However, Diana, many times people who simply don't know what is going on mistake those who are simply being RIGHT for being arrogant.

A lot of people are convinced that they are right in situations when there is really no way of knowing the truth.

I like to keep an open mind on most issues, especially where there is no proof. There are some things we can never be sure of.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:27:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Diana (#178)

I like to keep an open mind on most issues

Diana,

I could not agree more. Keep an Open Mind! People like Red, AKA Stone, Horsie-boy and Phaedrus do NOT keep an open mind. To them, all who disagree with THEIR beliefs are turning away from the truth of THEIR god and obsessed with making "children of hell" (whatever that means).

Perhaps you should tell THEM what you just told me.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:44:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Feynman Lives!, Red Jones (#188)

Most everyone knows that I have a hard time believing that Jesus is the son of God. I have a hard time believing that God would be in human form, and God should know everything past, present and future, but Jesus didn't seem to.

There have been times where I have struggled to believe, but I just can't. Maybe God does not want me, who knows.

Red I hope you are right about people who have a hard time not believing but don't go to hell because they basically try to live their lives in a moral way and care about all people and their well-being. I know there are many Christians who insist that if you don't believe in Jesus, being good will only get you to hell, that you must believe in order to go to Heaven, that good works get you nowhere. Well I will still do what my conscience tells me to do, even if I can't believe in Jesus, even if I go to hell, I will continue to do my best to help those around me to have an easier life as I believe life on earth is a hell of sorts for everyone.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-16   0:46:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: Diana (#211)

Most everyone knows that I have a hard time believing that Jesus is the son of God. I have a hard time believing that God would be in human form, and God should know everything past, present and future, but Jesus didn't seem to.

There have been times where I have struggled to believe, but I just can't. Maybe God does not want me, who knows

Diana, I didn't know that about you. That hit me in the stomach.

I can honestly say from what I've seen from you, God DOES want you!

Why do you say Jesus didn't seem to know everything?

Jhn 7:45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?

Jhn 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn007.html#46

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/7/46.html

You are one I would spend the time with to help you come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ. I want to be SURE you are with us when He returns.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-02-16   1:23:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#216)

Why do you say Jesus didn't seem to know everything?

Jhn 7:45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?

Jhn 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.

REALLY? Horsie... here are PRIME examples of JESUS NOT KNOWING EVERYTHING.

When second coming? Hmm... I know, let's ask JESUS!

MATT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
MARK 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
LUKE 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Here we find more of his blunder on the topic of the END OF THE WORLD:
MATT 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
MARK 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
LUKE 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

In MATT 16:27-28, Jesus claims he will return before some of his hearers taste death. Verse 27 states that he will come "in the glory of the Father with his angels" and that "he shall reward every man according to his works."

Now, at least they all SEEM to agree on what he said, which is a relief! However, his generation, the NEXT generation, the generation after that, and MANY more, have tasted death. Even though Jesus seemed to KNOW the end was RIGHT around the corner, all those people have come and gone and it sure seems like ALL ain't been fulfilled yet. OOOPSIES!

STRIKE ONE!

Hey Jesus! Are you equal to or lesser than god?

JOHN 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOHN 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

And this is out of the same book by the same author!

STRIKE TWO!!

Do I judge, do I not judge? I just can't remember!

God and I are not one, and god does not judge.
JOHN 5:22 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son."

I sure don't judge... but, if I diiiiid....
JOHN 8:16 "I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true."

Hang on, I really didn't come here to judge at all, now I remember!
JOHN 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

Oh, wait, I am DEFINITELY here to judge you all!
JOHN 10:39 "For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."

AGAIN, out of the SAME BOOK, by the SAME AUTHOR!

STRIKE THREEEEEEE, YER OUTTA HERE!

Diana, according to the BIBLE, Jesus SURELY did not know much about anything, he barely knew why he was here in the first place!

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   2:54:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: Feynman Lives! (#221)

I continue to find your anti-Christian hate posts disgusting, just gratuitous sliming. Juvenile. Grow up.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-16   11:51:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: Phaedrus (#223)

I continue to find your anti-Christian hate posts disgusting, just gratuitous sliming. Juvenile. Grow up.

I am not anti-christian, Phaedrus, I just know that the bible is a storybook and not a true history of anything.

Please show me how telling the TRUTH about the bible is disgusting.

If you can show me where I am incorrect, and that without a doubt the bible is incontravertibly true, I would be delighted to see your evidence.

Otherwise, the only one here being juvenile is you.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   12:01:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: Feynman Lives! (#225)

I just know that the bible is a storybook and not a true history of anything.

Certain OT statements and events are historically accurate, as independently testified from Assyrian tablets dated to the same time. See Sennacherib, c. 680 BC or so.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-16   12:34:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: tom007 (#227)

Certain OT statements and events are historically accurate, as independently testified from Assyrian tablets dated to the same time. See Sennacherib, c. 680 BC or so.

Tom,

Certain statements in Tom Clancy's "Clear And Present Danger" are also historically accurate.

Does that mean that we should also view the work of Tom Clancy as being the work of GOD?

Just because there are a FEW factual events that can be linked up to the bible does NOT mean that the bible should EVER be considered to be a true history of anything.

If I discuss the War of 1812 in a storybook I am writing, it does not make my story FACT because there is a historically accurate statement in it.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   12:40:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#229)

Do you see anything good in Christianity, or any good that has come about because of it?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   12:41:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: mehitable (#230)

Do you see anything good in Christianity, or any good that has come about because of it?

Sure there are some good things that come out of christianity. What of it? If your only yardstick is to find ANY GOOD that has come out of something, then by that logic, Adoph Hitler should not be vilified because a there were good things that came out of his work.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   13:34:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: Feynman Lives! (#234)

Sure there are some good things that come out of christianity.

Tell me what they are.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   13:46:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: mehitable (#238)

Sure there are some good things that come out of christianity. Tell me what they are.

Well, here are a few:

-Christmas - great for the economy
-The HAIL MARY pass in football
-Those cool "WWJD" bracelets that are ever-so-fashionable these days
-and Christian Slater (would not have such a cool name without Christianity)

There ya go.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:05:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: Feynman Lives! (#247)

Well, here are a few:

-Christmas - great for the economy -The HAIL MARY pass in football -Those cool "WWJD" bracelets that are ever-so-fashionable these days -and Christian Slater (would not have such a cool name without Christianity)

You're such a deep thinker.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   14:16:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: mehitable (#252)

You're such a deep thinker.

LOL!

Hospitals, universities, etc were all started as Christian organizations.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   14:24:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: Zipporah (#253)

Well that's nothing compared to a charm bracelet or football pass. Where the heck are your priorities, Zip?

I think we're seeing gubmint edumacation in action here.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   14:27:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: mehitable (#254)

Well that's nothing compared to a charm bracelet or football pass. Where the heck are your priorities, Zip?

I think we're seeing gubmint edumacation in action here.

Hmm my priorites?? Let's see.. the TRUTH?? :P

LOL

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   14:29:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: Zipporah (#255)

Hmm my priorites?? Let's see.. the TRUTH?? :P

Zip,

And pray, do tell, what IS "The Truth?"

I spoke the truth when I answered her question.

:)

*jumps on the couch and eagerly awaits the answer

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   14:43:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: Feynman Lives! (#258)

*jumps on the couch and eagerly awaits the answer

Hey, get off the couch or I'm getting the newspaper.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-16   14:51:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: mehitable (#260)

Hey, get off the couch or I'm getting the newspaper.

*hops off couch and scampers into the pantry

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   15:03:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Feynman Lives! (#262)

Just so you know, Pontius Pilate/Con Op is a great opponent of your ideas..here's the url:

http://postliberty.com/cgi-bin/latestcomments.cgi

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   15:17:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: Zipporah (#268)

http://postliberty.com/cgi-bin/latestcomments.cgi

I checked out that thread... yikes!

The conduct on that forum makes the stuff here look like kiddie time... I didn't find evidence of what you purported about that pontius fella, but I DID see surprisingly vile conduct from many of the members of THIS site.

Most illuminating...

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   16:56:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: Feynman Lives! (#278)

I checked out that thread... yikes!

The conduct on that forum makes the stuff here look like kiddie time... I didn't find evidence of what you purported about that pontius fella, but I DID see surprisingly vile conduct from many of the members of THIS site.

Most illuminating..

Most illuminating? Vile conduct? Now it seems youre being a tad judgemental .. a moral higher ground? Based on what?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   17:09:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: Zipporah (#282)

Most illuminating? Vile conduct? Now it seems youre being a tad judgemental ..

We are all judgemental, humans are meaning making machines, it is what we do.

Based upon what? Well, one of the first things I saw was a thread about Jethro Tull Violating Mod Ethics.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   17:16:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: All (#284)

Based upon what?

Then I saw one where Jethro Tull started a thread that DELIBERATELY made fun of another member and suggested that that member had not had sex in the last 10 years.

That is pretty vile and inappropriate conduct. Taking a potshot at someone is one thing, but to post a WHOLE thread attacking them, that is another.

I could go on....

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   17:20:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 286.

#289. To: Feynman Lives! (#286)

Then I saw one where Jethro Tull started a thread that DELIBERATELY made fun of another member and suggested that that member had not had sex in the last 10 years.

That is pretty vile and inappropriate conduct. Taking a potshot at someone is one thing, but to post a WHOLE thread attacking them, that is another.

I could go on....

People dont have to stay there.. they enjoy the banter etc.. just as some enjoy arguing ..just on a different level.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16 17:21:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: Feynman Lives! (#286)

all involved over there enjoy the give and take. it's a parody site. now ya know. ;)

christine  posted on  2006-02-16 17:23:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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