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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
Views: 4432
Comments: 491

Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians

Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006

Why all the bad news?

The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud.

This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”

"In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt

Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government.

This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt?

The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter.

Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes."

It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute.

A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen.

My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government.

Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem.

I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone.

Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.”

It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers

As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer.

We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it.

In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers.

Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is:

"You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees,

"you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter."

Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today.

What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat?

God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are:

"fit only to be trodden under the feet of men."

But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda.

Start by watching our one hour presentation, with your friends, right on your computer, or you may buy it for your TV: Our best tool to help you teach, view it free: Why Christian-Zionist cannot work for peace, Interactive fully guided free audio/video.

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#17. To: Red Jones (#0)

Can Christ Followers Save The World From "Christians"

The Bible says with God's help, we can, and we will:

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic004.html

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-02-15   18:11:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#17)

The Bible says with God's help, we can, and we will:

Careful, Horsie...

The bible says a LOT of things... and many of them directly contradict one another... Ya don't want to drag that handbook into this conversation.

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   18:13:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Feynman Lives! (#19)

The bible says a LOT of things... and many of them directly contradict one another...

lol- I wonder why!

"......Chapter LXXII.-Passages Have Been Removed by the Jews from Esdras and Jeremiah.

And I said, "I shall do as you please. From the statements, then, which Esdras made in reference to the law of the passover, they have taken away the following: `And Esdras said to the people, This passover is our Saviour and our refuge. And if you have understood, and your heart has taken it in, that we shall humble Him on a standard, and271 thereafter hope in Him, then this place shall not be forsaken for ever, says the God of hosts. But if you will not believe Him, and will not listen to His declaration, you shall be a laughing- stock to the nations.'272 And from the sayings of Jeremiah they have cut out the following: `I [was] like a lamb that is brought to the slaughter: they devised a device against me, saying, Come, let us lay on wood on His bread, and let us blot Him out from the land of the living; and His name shall no more be remembered.'273 And since this passage from the sayings of Jeremiah is still written in some copies [of the Scriptures] in the synagogues of the Jews (for it is only a short time since they were cut out), and since from these words it is demonstrated that the Jews deliberated about the Christ Himself, to crucify and put Him to death, He Himself is both declared to be led as a sheep to the slaughter, as was predicted by Isaiah, and is here represented as a harmless lamb; but being in a difficulty about them, they give themselves over to blasphemy. And again, from the sayings of the same Jeremiah these have been cut out: `The Lord God remembered His dead people of Israel who lay in the graves; and He descended to preach to them His own salvation.'274

Chapter LXXIII.-[the Words] "From the Wood" Have Been Cut Out of Ps. XCVI.

"And from the ninety-fifth (ninety-sixth) Psalm they have taken away this short saying of the words of David: `From the wood.'275 For when the passage said, `Tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned from the wood, 'they have left, `Tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned.' Now no one of your people has ever been said to have reigned as God and Lord among the nations, with the exception of Him only who was crucified, of whom also the Holy Spirit affirms in the same Psalm that He was raised again, and freed from [the grave], declaring that there is none like Him among the gods of the nations: for they are idols of demons. But I shall repeat the whole Psalm to you, that you may perceive what has been said. It is thus: `Sing unto the Lord a new song; sing unto the Lord, all the earth. Sing unto the Lord, and bless His name; show forth His salvation from day to day. Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all people. For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: He is to be feared above all the gods. For all the gods of the nations are demons but the Lord made the heavens. Confession and beauty are in His presence; holiness and magnificence are in His sanctuary. Bring to the Lord, O ye countries of the nations, bring to the Lord glory and honour, bring to the Lord glory in His name. Take sacrifices, and go into His courts; worship the Lord in His holy temple. Let the whole earth be moved before Him: tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned.276 For He hath established the world, which shall not be moved; He shall judge the nations with equity. Let the heavens rejoice, and the earth be glad; let the sea and its fulness shake. Let the fields and all therein be joyful. Let all the trees of the wood be glad before the Lord: for He comes, for He comes to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with His truth.' "

Here Trypho remarked, "Whether [or not] the rulers of the people have erased any portion of the Scriptures, as you affirm, God knows; but it seems incredible."

"Assuredly," said I, "it does seem incredible. For it is more horrible than the calf which they made, when satisfied with manna on the earth; or than the sacrifice of children to demons; or than the slaying of the prophets. But," said I, "you appear to me not to have heard the Scriptures which I said they had stolen away. For such as have been quoted are more than enough to prove the points in dispute, besides those which are retained by us,277 and shall yet be brought forward."...."

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Dialogue of Justin

Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew

http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01- 48.htm#P4699_1004419

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev022.html#19

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-02-15   18:34:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#22)

Wow... you undercut your own case for me. How nice of you.

SO... if you freely admit that the bible is not TRUE, then why would you bother to quote it?

You may just as well turn to your car's maintainence manual for guidance.

Wait, we have actual proof that the info in your car manual IS true from cover to cover... so that is not a good example. What I mean to say is you would do better to turn to your favorite Flinstone cartoon character for guidance. There, that is on the same level of "factual material" as the bible.

Either the bible is true as written, or it is just another work of fiction.

Which is it, Horsie?

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   18:46:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Feynman Lives! (#23)

The Word of God is true as given by God. He foresaw those who hate Him would pervert His written Word, or why else would He have seen fit to make that statement? What was left is sufficient for those who are called, and chosen, and who have eyes to see and ears to hear. He said the rest would be blinded.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#13

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/13/13.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-02-15   19:09:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#27)

The Word of God is true as given by God. He foresaw those who hate Him would pervert His written Word, or why else would He have seen fit to make that statement? What was left is sufficient for those who are called, and chosen, and who have eyes to see and ears to hear. He said the rest would be blinded.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#13

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/13/13.html

WOW... MORE work that others did FOR you. Do you EVER write your own thoughts down for others to see? I can only IMAGINE what your book reports looked like in school.

I will make this BIG so you wont miss it this time...

YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

Do you think that the bible is 100% FACT, or FICTION?

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   19:13:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Feynman Lives! (#28)

Do you think that the bible is 100% FACT, or FICTION?

That is a very difficult question for anyone to answer, as there are so many versions of the bible. People will say this bible or that bible is evil, only read this one version, etc. If you read any other version it's not the word of God, then there is the Catholic bible which is altogether different. Also that Scofield bible which came out little over a hundred years ago is another version. It can get very confusing with all the different translations, parts added and parts taken away, though from what I can tell the general concensus is that the KJ version is the best, though he changed it around somewhat too.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   21:17:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Diana (#51)

That is a very difficult question for anyone to answer, as there are so many versions of the bible

LOL

No, that is a RIDICULOUSLY EASY question to answer.

The bible is a work of FICTION that draws on a few loose facts. Much like a spy novel written by Tom Clancy, they use truths of the day to make the story readable. Except that Tom knows how to write.

The bible is poorly written. VERY poorly written. It is so full of holes, lies and blatant contradictions, that if it were not considered a RELIGIOUS book, it would have no literary value whatsoever.

STILL there are people today, people on this very FORUM I would wager, who feel that the bible is TRUE.

LOL Now that is just sad...

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   21:36:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#91. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#53)

You are an astoundingly ignorant simpleton. Even if you don't believe in the theology of the Bible, which is fine with me, you should have some small sense to regard it as the history of a people, who, like them or not have survived for 5000 years, primarily because they follow the dictates, laws and guidance of this book you deride.

What the Bible actually IS, you pathetic moron, is the collected experiences of a race of people and the solutions to the various problems of life that they devised - problems like defining themselves as a people, encouraging their growth and survival, building families and communities, what kinds of food to grow and eat, what legal and political systems worked for them. If you actually had WISDOM you would be able to see the Bible in this light, and realize that there is still much that we can learn from the distilled experience of its chroniclers, in our own vague and uncertain days. We, as a people, are no longer able to solve the problems that life presents us - we are paralyzed. This was not true of the people of the Bible - like them or not, they were (and are) successful. Profit from the lesson.

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