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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
Views: 4852
Comments: 491

Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians

Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006

Why all the bad news?

The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud.

This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”

"In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt

Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government.

This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt?

The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter.

Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes."

It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute.

A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen.

My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government.

Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem.

I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone.

Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.”

It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers

As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer.

We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it.

In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers.

Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is:

"You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees,

"you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter."

Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today.

What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat?

God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are:

"fit only to be trodden under the feet of men."

But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda.

Start by watching our one hour presentation, with your friends, right on your computer, or you may buy it for your TV: Our best tool to help you teach, view it free: Why Christian-Zionist cannot work for peace, Interactive fully guided free audio/video.

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#117. To: Dakmar (#114)

When did they invent the Brownie if yur so smart.

...  posted on  2006-02-15   22:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: tom007 (#116)

Tom,

If this discussion is not pleasing to you, then why do you partake of it? You are not forced to read this, nor to reply. Your actions make you complicit in the very thing that you are railing against.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: ... (#117)

When did they invent the Brownie if yur so smart

Right before they invented the Girl Scout!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: mehitable, Feckless (#100)

Sometimes it's good to have someone who is obviously...different...so we can better understand and communicate what we believe.

You're too kind. He spews cleverly worded streams of hate toward Christianity, having convinced himself there is no God and thus no truth, just words, and that they can mean whatever he wants them to mean. He is living proof that arrogance and ignorance are indeed synonymous.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   22:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Feynman Lives!, Phaedrus, diana (#101)

don't hate christianity nor am I an atheist, I am merely more educated on these subjects than you are.

IF you were an educated person, you would never have made this terribly ignorent statement. I know highly educated people, the more education you have, the more humble you become.

And there is a VERY GOOD reason for that, RF. Care to guess what it is?? As you are SO educated and such.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: ... (#39)

Do virtuous Mormons go to hell?

I have some comments on that. First, it is god who judges, not us. and the bible admonishes us for thinking we know how he judges. we basically don't understand that process. Second, there is somewhere in the bible, I wish I knew where, but a preacher showed me once, that it says people not of the faith will judged according to how pious they are. If they are loyal to their consciences, consciences being made by god and telling gods will, then they will be judged positively. It says specifically people not of the faith can be judged positively just by being virtuous, pious, loyal to their consciences.

It's fashionable to throw mud at mormons. I live in a city where a lot of mormons are. I work with a mormon. There's a lot of rotten preachers who advance idolatry, this is true in many 'christian' denominations and I'm sure in all 'religions'. many ordinary mormons believe in god. but I strongly distrust the hierarchy.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   22:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Feynman Lives! (#101)

I am merely more educated on these subjects than you are.

Now THAT is amusing.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   22:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Feynman Lives! (#119)

And you may wish to reacquaint yourself with the definition of "education".

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   22:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Feynman Lives! (#23)

thank you for making this a big thread. A lot of people are reading bible verses because of you. A lot of people are thinking. This is good.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   22:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Phaedrus, all (#120)

Well - perhaps - but I suspect from his arguments and tone, that he is very young and untried by life. He does not have much wisdom or understanding of people or he would not make such consistently patronizing and unappealing arguments. His posts are like being hit repeatedly with a day old mackerel. Maybe he can learn from the combined wisdom of the people on this forum. Certainly I have :)

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   22:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Phaedrus (#123)

am merely more educated on these subjects than you are. Now THAT is amusing.

Phaedrus, I am feeling the exact same way as you.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   22:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Phaedrus (#120)

You're too kind. He spews cleverly worded streams of hate toward Christianity, having convinced himself there is no God

I never said that there is no god, and you have yet to refute my points that the bible is a work of fiction.

Your 'words' are nothing more than that... just words. You have YET to prove otherwise.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Feynman Lives! (#118)

If this discussion is not pleasing to you, then why do you partake of it? You are not forced to read this, nor to reply. Your actions make you complicit in the very thing that you are railing against.

This is nonsense. I am not going away, you are too easy. Could have been a good discussion tho. But NOOOOO.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: ... (#117)

When did they invent the Brownie if yur so smart.

I don't know nothing about no Brownies, occifer!

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-15   22:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: All (#121)

F you were an educated person, you would never have made this terribly ignorent statement. I know highly educated people, the more education you have, the more humble you become.

And there is a VERY GOOD reason for that, RF. Care to guess what it is?? As you are SO educated and such.

Let me correct - The more "truely educated you are" the more humble you will become.

And their is a very profound reason for this.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: mehitable (#126)

but I suspect from his arguments and tone, that he is very young and untried by life.

Once again, you are mistaken.

What is the "wisdom" that you feel I have not learned from this group? Please, tell me.

I don't feel that this board is devoid of intelligence, far from it. I enjoy reading most of the threads on here. I take issue with those I have issue with, and leave supportive comments with ones I find agreeable. Plus, you have a great access to international newspapers here.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: tom007 (#129)

This is nonsense. I am not going away, you are too easy. Could have been a good discussion tho. But NOOOOO.

How have any of your comments contributed to anything that could remotely resemble a good discussion?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   22:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Feynman Lives!, diana (#118)

Tom,

If this discussion is not pleasing to you, then why do you partake of it? You are not forced to read this, nor to reply. Your actions make you complicit in the very thing that you are railing against.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman "THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

You seem to uncomfortable with my comments - is their a gulag you want to send me to?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Phaedrus (#123)

I am merely more educated on these subjects than you are.

Now THAT is amusing.

Phaedrus posted on 2006-02-15 22:49:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

It IS rich.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   22:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: mehitable (#126)

Well - perhaps - but I suspect from his arguments and tone, that he is very young and untried by life. He does not have much wisdom or understanding of people or he would not make such consistently patronizing and unappealing arguments.

Sounds about right.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Red Jones (#125)

A lot of people are thinking. This is good

Red,

I agree wholeheartedly with you on this point.

The more people THINK about things, instead of just going with ridiculous ghost- story nonsense that was handed down to them by people who were too fightened to question it, the better society will be. I do hope that MANY people read this thread and think.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#35)

Your hatred of God, like so many, blinds you.

that is so true. and I believe it says many times words to the effect of 'there are none who are so blind as he who will not see'

the phoney-man gets so excited about the bible and loves to attack it. Everyone should note how powerful the bible is. If it is not so powerful, then why is it attacked by the phoney-man?

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   23:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: tom007 (#129)

This is nonsense.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Dakmar (#130)

I don't know nothing about no Brownies, occifer!

A long time ago I asked you if acorns float.

I think you are avoiding the question.

...  posted on  2006-02-15   23:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: tom007 (#134)

You seem to uncomfortable with my comments - is their a gulag you want to send me to?

Tom,

I am perfectly happy with you remaining with us for this thread. I was simply expressing my compassion towards your obvious level of discomfort with the way things were going here. It was my concern for your well-being that prompted my comments, that is all, sweetie...

Grab a chair and relax! Get some scotch while you are at it.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Feynman Lives! (#132)

What is the "wisdom" that you feel I have not learned from this group? Please, tell me.

When you know that you don't know everything, then you'll know what's important. When you're able to admit you don't know everything, then you might have the beginnings of wisdom. You're way too arrogant. Perhaps you don't realize this, but your tone towards people in virtually everything you write is offensive and patronizing. Even if you might have a valid point in your argument, the way you write to people is too insulting for them to take you seriously. It is your seemingly earnest, yet offensive haranguing of all the posters here that lead me to believe you must be quite young or someone would have killed you by now in real life.

Did you go to school or work at MIT, by the way?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Feynman Lives! (#133)

How have any of your comments contributed to anything that could remotely resemble a good discussion?

There is no truth, there is only discussion, right Feyn?

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#35)

My people" refers to Christians, which includes the FAITHFUL of the Old Testament

I agree with you so strongly on this point. The jews who are faithful to the old testament are the same as the believing christians IMHO.

the pharisee christians who believe in taking dominion over the government and killing muslims are a lot like the talmud believing jews who conspire against jesus.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   23:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Feynman Lives! (#133)

How have any of your comments contributed to anything that could remotely resemble a good discussion?

I concede this point to you RF, completely. The discussion has become your dissing the honest posters with your signiture arrogence and pendatic voice. It makes one wonder if you , RF , really intended to have a dialouge at all.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Red Jones (#144)

ABSOLUTELY. There are phonies in all religions and those who use religion as a shield to grab power over the minds and property of others. And we know what's gonna happen to those folks....

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Phaedrus (#143)

when you read too much of what phoney-man says you want jesus to return so that he will separate the believers from the non-believers.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   23:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Feynman Lives! (#141)

I was simply expressing my compassion towards your obvious level of discomfort with the way things were going here. It was my concern for your well-being that prompted my comments, that is all, sweetie...

Grab a chair and relax! Get some scotch while you are at it.

Don't be a phoney, OK? It stinks.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: mehitable (#142)

When you know that you don't know everything, then you'll know what's important

Mehitable,

I already know that I don't know everything... MOST of the world is made up of things that we don't know we don't know.

As for my "tone"... well, that is YOUR perception of my writing, there is no TONE in text. You create the tone in how you choose to read it.

Watch, I will show you.

"Mehiitable, I love you."

NOW... what was my TONE in that statement? Was I angry, sarcastic, happy, or something else completely?

Being as how YOU know my TONE, you can tell me, right?

So... if you have a problem reading what I write, then it is on YOU, not me, sweetie.

I am not at odds with all of the posters here, I expressed a concern with those I disagreed with, and now am placed in the position of having to defend myself from people like you who choose to descend upon me without knowing what was going on in the first place. I am not even UPSET with anyone here, for that matter. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, provided they can support their position.

I am not even mad at you.

Oh, and I am not quite young, snookumz, I am even over 30.

Curious, why the question about MIT?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: tom007 (#148)

I was simply expressing my compassion towards your obvious level of discomfort with the way things were going here. It was my concern for your well-being that prompted my comments, that is all, sweetie... Grab a chair and relax! Get some scotch while you are at it.

Wow, Tom...

You have issues.

Hey MEHITABLE!! Here we have another perfect example of someone reading a tone into something that was not intended by the writer.

Tom COMPLETELY misread my statement and took it in the worst way possible.

Oh well.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Feynman Lives! (#149)

I'm just curious about MIT, that's all.

As for your tone, I don't think you're the best judge of that. I think virtually every poster on this board would characterize you pretty consistently in a negative manner. Sometimes when people say you have BO, you should check your pits.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Dakmar (#94)

That's right. It wasn't until after abolition that coloreds started tempting white women with their devil weed.

I heard it was the Mexicans who came to the US in the early part of the 20th century who brought their evil weed with them to corrupt the population and make the citizens go crazy. That's why they had to outlaw it.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Red Jones (#147)

when you read too much of what phoney-man says you want jesus to return so that he will separate the believers from the non-believers.

Wow, Red,

Talk about symmetry... the wheel has turned completely and we return to what STARTED Phaedrus on his little misguided rant.

You say you want Jesus to return, eh? Well, I just read this in the news.

JESUS CHRIST ANNOUNCES THAT HE IS NOT COMING BACK!

-WORLD NEWS-

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, whose return has been eagerly awaited by Christians for two millennia, is never coming back to earth, the Messiah himself announced today.

The Lord issued a surprisingly bitter statement to His followers explaining His decision. A transcript of that statement follows.

FINAL MESSAGE TO HUMANITY

To My followers:

When I made My promise to return to the world and deliver you from evil, I fully intended to keep that promise. Sadly, however, humanity has made Me change My mind. You're not worth redeeming. I'm washing My hands of this disastrous experiment in intelligent life and free will.

I was hoping you'd make some progress since the days when the Romans persecuted the Jews. But nothing has changed. You all still hate each other. You don't do much to feed the hungry, or shelter the homeless, or any of that other shit I told you to do. Why do you even pretend to care about My will? Why do you pray and sing hymns and read the Bible? Is it all just a charade to make you feel better about yourselves?

Never mind. I know the answer to that.

I've learned to hate your species for so many reasons. I can't stand your constant whining about your petty problems. I hate the way you adopt new slang words and catch phrases to try to 'out-hip' each other. I despise your bad table manners. Child pornography also kind of irks Me.

From now on, I'm going to concentrate on other intelligent life forms. Or maybe Dad and I will start a whole new Creation.

Before I do that, though, I want to share just a few of the reasons why you piss Me off. I mean, there are the obvious things, like violence and greed, but that's not what really gets Me.

What really gets Me are the little things. Like the stupid ways you pretend to believe in Me. Christian rock. Tattoos with My name on them. And don't even get Me started on those fucking T-shirts.

When you're not doing trivial things to show your devotion to Me, you're getting all bent out of shape over something pointless. Take 'animal rights.' My dad put animals on the planet to serve humanity. He gave you an enormous variety of creatures to do your work, to serve as your companions, and for you to eat. So now you've decided they have rights? And you attack people to defend those rights? Your ability to invent problems for yourselves never ceases to amaze Me.

I think I could forgive your sins if you were going somewhere culturally. You really had something going back there in the Renaissance. But then you just ran out of creative steam. I realize it gets harder and harder to think of anything original...but paintings of soup cans? That was a few decades ago; nowadays it's even worse. Someone throws crap at a wall and you act like it's profound.

Another thing that makes Me mad are all the bullshit religious myths. Stigmatas, for example. Only one person got a real stigmata, and that's Me. The whole stigmata phenomenon just goes to show that you people can't stand letting someone else get all the attention.

You've got all this nonsense occupying your thoughts when you should be concentrating on more important things. Like not destroying the world, for example. In case you haven't noticed, greenhouse gases are threatening to make the planet uninhabitable, and the kooks of the world are starting to get their hands on nuclear weapons. Guess you can't be bothered with that when American Idol is on.

Think I'm going to save you from self-annihilation? Think again. When you obliterate yourselves, don't come crying to Me.

Yours truly,

Jesus Christ
Office of Redemption and Salvation

P.S. I want My shroud back.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Feynman Lives! (#150)

om COMPLETELY misread my statement and took it in the worst way possible.

OK - I'm going to find some scotch, somewhere.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: tom007 (#96)

The oldest reference to hemp that I am aware of is from a radio NPR thinggy, that stated a Jewish women's toumb was excavated c. 800BC? that contained a pipe and hemp -' she died in childbirth, and numerous sources indicate hemp being a good analgesic to have around in a situation like this.

Queen Victoria used it to relieve the pains of her monthly womanly thing.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Red Jones (#147)

when you read too much of what phoney-man says you want jesus to return so that he will separate the believers from the non-believers.

But sometimes no help from Jesus is required.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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