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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
Views: 5204
Comments: 491

Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians

Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006

Why all the bad news?

The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud.

This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”

"In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt

Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government.

This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt?

The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter.

Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes."

It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute.

A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen.

My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government.

Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem.

I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone.

Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.”

It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers

As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer.

We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it.

In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers.

Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is:

"You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees,

"you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter."

Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today.

What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat?

God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are:

"fit only to be trodden under the feet of men."

But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda.

Start by watching our one hour presentation, with your friends, right on your computer, or you may buy it for your TV: Our best tool to help you teach, view it free: Why Christian-Zionist cannot work for peace, Interactive fully guided free audio/video.

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#157. To: Red Jones (#138)

Everyone should note how powerful the bible is. If it is not so powerful, then why is it attacked by the phoney-man?

Wow, then the MUSLIMS must have backed the right horse, cuz THEY are the ones who are responding powerfully when someone makes so much as a CARTOON about their god!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: tom007, Red Jones, Phaedrus, all (#154)

DAMN - I just realized. Are we all really SO bored that we're spending all this time talking to Fleghman Lives?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: All, red jones (#154)

OK - I'm going to find some scotch, somewhere.

Red, ya gotta a flask of Jonnie Walker?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: tom007 (#154)

OK - I'm going to find some scotch, somewhere

Good call, and may I suggest a Mac 18, straight up, with a nice AVO #3 cigar?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:15:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: mehitable (#158)

DAMN - I just realized. Are we all really SO bored that we're spending all this time talking to Fleghman Lives?

Kinda Embaressing. Got any Scotch?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Diana (#152)

Yeah, and it's a good thing Teddy Roosevelt stopped Cuba from invading the Phillipines.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-15   23:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: tom007 (#161)

Nah, just some rum...oh, and a bottle of Kahlua.

Hey, we should think up some new drinks in honor of Dick Cheney and his latest calamity. I'm wondering what we'd put into a Dick on the Rocks?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: mehitable (#158)

Everyone should note how powerful the bible is. If it is not so powerful, then why is it attacked by the phoney-man?

DAMN - I just realized. Are we all really SO bored that we're spending all this time talking to Fleghman Lives?

Mehitable...

Apparently, it is because my ideas are so powerful.

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Feynman Lives! (#160)

Good call, and may I suggest a Mac 18, straight up, with a nice AVO #3 cigar?

I would suspect this is totaly out of the range of what I am willng to pay for consumables

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#164)

WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

Ever heard of the phenomenon of the "runt of the litter"?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: mehitable (#163)

I'm wondering what we'd put into a Dick on the Rocks?

Lead shot?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Feynman Lives! (#153)

Jesus Christ

Office of Redemption and Salvation

P.S. I want My shroud back.

You're not a serious person, Feyn, just some clueless kid with a keyboard. And that's not a compliment, Feyn. But don't take your stuff out into the world. There are those who will knock your block off. And for the record, this is not a personal threat, just an observation. You are incredibly offensive. By design? Certainly not by Intelligent Design.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: mehitable (#166)

Ever heard of the phenomenon of the "runt of the litter"?

So you are now saying that the bible is the runt of the litter?

interesting....

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: tom007 (#167)

heh heh heh....and maybe a quail feather.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Feynman Lives!, Christine, Red Jones (#64)

With all due respect, he just got done ADMITTING that the bible is NOT a work of fact, so what does it matter what is said in the book?

I did not. I said it may have been perverted in areas, but the vast majority of it is truth, for those who have eyes to see. Those who are called. Those who are chosen. Those who know and love God. Not those who hate Him.

BTW, Jesus' last words were in the book of Revelation, chapter 22.

Your twisting of the truth, and your obsession to make children of hell is indicative of an unclean spirit. Thomas Jefferson did not believe in Jesus Christ either, as you pointed out. Look at the United States he and the other so-called "Founding Fathers" left us. Only Patrick Henry, who was a Christian, predicted the hellhole we have today. That's why he wouldn't sign the constitution.

Christine, Red Jones,

Know what I think? I think the truth is getting out there, and they're trying to come up with a new angle. I predicted to my kids a month or two ago. Watch to see more and more of the "God is dead" or "God doesn't exist" routine. Right on schedule comes Feynman.

America was most definitely founded by God. That cross that was planted by the first colonists at Cape Henry were a mustard seed. 86 percent of Americans consider themselves Christian. The problem is, as Cornwallis told George Washington, "A holy war will now begin against America....in 200 years her churches will be teaching the Jews' religion." That is what happened. The Judeo-Freemasons came in preaching "equality" and "freedom of religion" to get a big enough foothold to eventually destroy Christianity. It was all a lie. The Talmud teaches only "Jews" are men, and the rest are beasts. Therefore, when they say "all men are created equal", what they really meant was all JEWS are created equal. Christian Americans, who were for the most part, children of light, fell for all the lies the children of darkness fed them. It was not in the Christian to see the evil lurking like a serpent, waiting to strike.

I think the churches could use a little more doses of reality.

Drop off some of the following:

http://noahide.com/xmas.htm

[also Merry Christmas and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!] [SEARCH]

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19316

http://rense.com/general61/work.htm

I have to wonder if some of the Baptist churches that were burned down were starting to "get it". I heard that a US flag was thrown on the lawn at one of them.

That flag, I hate to tell you, is Masonic and antiChrist, especially the one with the gold fringe and eagle on top.

Read the battle of the eagles at Ezekiel 17, and Matthew 15:13. This government is going down. Psalm 2. Micah 4. Those who are not with Christ, scatter abroad. Think of the parable of the ten virgins. "Not all who say Lord, Lord...will get in the door, but only those who do the will of my Father in heaven."

War-mongers need not apply.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for THEY shall be called the children of God. Matthew 5.

Time for repentence.

Not all will be saved. Particularly not those who refuse to enter the sheepfold, but also prevent others from entering. Better a millstone were around their neck.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-02-15   23:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: mehitable (#158)

Are we all really SO bored that we're spending all this time talking to Fleghman Lives?

Yeh, time to go.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#169)

OHHHHHH - NOW I understand... It's so bloody obvious. YOU are God. It was just whacking me in the face like a wet mackerel.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Phaedrus (#172)

See ya latah :)

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Phaedrus (#168)

But don't take your stuff out into the world. There are those who will knock your block off. And for the record, this is not a personal threat, just an observation

Phaedrus,

While I do appreciate your concern, I shall not worry and keep on truckin' without regard for those who will knock my block off for daring to say that their belief in ghosts just MIGHT be unfounded.

I am a VERY serious person, who wonders how and why any other SERIOUS person could put so much stock in a book that was so poorly written and factualy vacuous.

Becuase I speak my mind, you feel people who believe the same way YOU do will become physically VIOLENT?

WOW, that says VOLUMES about the instability of your belief system.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:24:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: tom007 (#159)

no, but I have a Mr. budweiser.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-02-15   23:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Feynman Lives! (#164)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

This is classic, Feyn. It's because you crave attention, isn't it? Now I REALLY gotta go.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-02-15   23:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Feynman Lives! (#111)

However, Diana, many times people who simply don't know what is going on mistake those who are simply being RIGHT for being arrogant.

A lot of people are convinced that they are right in situations when there is really no way of knowing the truth.

I like to keep an open mind on most issues, especially where there is no proof. There are some things we can never be sure of.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:27:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Diana (#178)

You can make so much sense, it's scary.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Feynman Lives! (#164)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

Good Lord Man - get ahold of yourself - do you not think we have been thoughtfull of these ideas before???????

Your arguments are sopmorphic, most of 4um have seen 'em.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#171)

(1)"With all due respect, he just got done ADMITTING that the bible is NOT a work of fact, so what does it matter what is said in the book?"
"I did not. I said it may have been perverted in areas, but the vast majority of it is truth, for those who have eyes to see."

(2)BTW, Jesus' last words were in the book of Revelation, chapter 22.

(3)Your twisting of the truth...

(1)The bible either IS the true word of god or it is NOT. It can't be a buffet line of truth where only YOU can tell me which food is fresh and which food is spoiled. TRUTH does not work that way, it is a BINARY funtion.

(2) That is only ONE place where his "supposed" last words were "supposedly" recorded. Because Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Hmm, Houston, we have a problem.... for quite surprisingly, old Matty must have had it wrong be cause you can see CLEARLY what Jesus said before he croaked in Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
Wait.. HOLD YOUR HORSIES... that can't be right... I am pretty sure that the authority on this was John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Now you say that ALL of those are wrong? So even YOU admit that the bible is NOT true.

Nice.

(3)HOW am I twisting the truth of my point #2? It is RIGHT OUT OF THE BIBLE. ROFLMAO!

I think you fell off your horsie and landed on your head.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: Feynman Lives! (#164)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?

Get a grip.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: tom007 (#180)

Good Lord Man - get ahold of yourself - do you not think we have been thoughtfull of these ideas before???????

Your arguments are sopmorphic, most of 4um have seen 'em.

Tom,

You certianly do not respond in a manner that remotely suggests that you have seen anything but lockstep adherence to whatever goofy ideas are thrown up against the wall here.

From what I read, people who DARE to disagree are vilified and portrayed as evil and misguided.

So, no, while you may have HEARD these ideas before, you have given them NO THOUGHT.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:40:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Feynman Lives!, all (#181)

Besides Christianity, what other bugs do you have up your ass?

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: All (#182)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are.

Your ideas are the introduction to western civ.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: tom007 (#182)

Because everyone should note how powerful my ideas are. If they were NOT so powerful, then WHY am I being attacked by all of you?
Get a grip.

Simply using an existing argument that furthered my point.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: Red Jones (#176)

no, but I have a Mr. budweiser.

Can I invite you to a Colorado BBQ?

tom007  posted on  2006-02-15   23:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Diana (#178)

I like to keep an open mind on most issues

Diana,

I could not agree more. Keep an Open Mind! People like Red, AKA Stone, Horsie-boy and Phaedrus do NOT keep an open mind. To them, all who disagree with THEIR beliefs are turning away from the truth of THEIR god and obsessed with making "children of hell" (whatever that means).

Perhaps you should tell THEM what you just told me.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: Red Jones, Feynman Lives!, Mehitable, tom007 (#137)

A lot of people are thinking. This is good

I agree that it's good to have different points of view to consider.

Someone can have a difficult personality, yet add a lot if they have a lot of knowledge to offer. I suspect FL may be a bit pompous but knows a lot, and if anything we can hone our own debating skills as a result of dealing with FL. He/she is an interesting poster if nothing else, and makes threads grow long.

Kind of reminds me of the old days on LP sparing with BAC.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Feynman Lives! (#188)

Your idiocy preceeds you.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-02-15   23:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Red Jones (#144)

My people" refers to Christians, which includes the FAITHFUL of the Old Testament I agree with you so strongly on this point. The jews who are faithful to the old testament are the same as the believing christians IMHO.

the pharisee christians who believe in taking dominion over the government and killing muslims are a lot like the talmud believing jews who conspire against jesus.

Actually, I realized later that I didn't phrase that correctly.

What I meant was that the faithful in OLD TESTAMENT TIMES, are considered part of the church. There's a passage: I bend my knee to the Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth are named, as well as Ye are the temple of God, built upon the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief corner stone thereof. [I probably butchered that, but you know what I mean.]

Now I do HAVE HOPES that Jews who are faithful to the Old Testament, because that is all they know, will be saved, if not by grace, then by God's mercy. Psalm 136 is 26 verses of "his mercy endureth forever", particularly if they were kind to their fellow man, [not just Jews]. I feel the same way about the Muslims. I have met so many who have the light of God in their eyes, and are unassuming, peaceful, and loving. I feel God takes all these things into consideration, and I think they may be judged differently based on the knowledge they were given. And as I said, I don't believe all who call themselves Christian are going to get into heaven.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-02-15   23:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: tom007 (#145)

I concede this point to you RF, completely. The discussion has become your dissing the honest posters with your signiture arrogence and pendatic voice. It makes one wonder if you , RF , really intended to have a dialouge at all.

Who in the heck is RF?

Diana  posted on  2006-02-15   23:51:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: Diana (#189)

I agree that it's good to have someone to spar with occasionally as I think it sharpens our skills, but I fear we have little to learn from this fellow otherwise.

mehitable  posted on  2006-02-15   23:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Fred Mertz (#190)

"There is no harm in doubt and scepticism, for it is through these that new discoveries are made." - Richard Feynman

".... I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees of certainty about different things, but I am not absolutely sure of anything and there are many things I do not know anything about, such as whether it means anything to ask 'why are we here?' I do not have to know an answer. I do not feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in a mysterious universe without any purpose, which it is as far as I can tell. It does not frighten me." - Richard Feynman

"I often use the analogy of a chess game: one can learn all the rules of chess, but one doesn't know how to play well. The present situation in physics is as if we know chess, but we don't know one or two rules. But in this part of the board where things are operation, those one or two rules are not operating much and we can get along pretty well without understanding those rules. That's the way it is, I would say, regarding the phenomena of life, consciousness and so forth.

God was invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. Now, when you finally discover how something works, you get some laws which you're taking away from God; you don't need him anymore. But you need him for the other mysteries. So therefore you leave him to create the universe because we haven't figured that out yet; you need him for understanding those things which you don't believe the laws will explain, such as consciousness, or why you only live to a certain length of time--life and death -- stuff like that. God is always associated with those things that you do not understand. Therefore I don't think that the laws can be considered to be like God because they have been figured out." Richard Feynman

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: Feynman Lives! (#181)

What are you drinking?

I hope we all get to have a front row seat to watch your knees shake before you bend them to the King of Kings. I hope you can still laugh then, when he give you the thumbs-down.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-02-15   23:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: Diana (#192)

Who in the heck is RF?

Richard Feynman. The "Einstein" of the last 60 years.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-15   23:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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