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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
Source: We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
Views: 4993
Comments: 491

Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians

Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006

Why all the bad news?

The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud.

This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”

"In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt

Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government.

This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt?

The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter.

Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes."

It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute.

A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen.

My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government.

Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem.

I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone.

Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.”

It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers

As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer.

We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it.

In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers.

Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is:

"You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees,

"you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter."

Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today.

What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat?

God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are:

"fit only to be trodden under the feet of men."

But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda.

Start by watching our one hour presentation, with your friends, right on your computer, or you may buy it for your TV: Our best tool to help you teach, view it free: Why Christian-Zionist cannot work for peace, Interactive fully guided free audio/video.

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#327. To: Diana (#324)

I'm going to rent a 4 X 4 and drive over my state governor if the us attacks Iran.

What do you think, dark blue?

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   20:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#328. To: Dakmar (#325)

Horsehockey! Have you ever heard of Lucianne Goldberg?

Uh... I am gonna go with "No" on that one.

But MAD props for the "horsehockey" line!

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   20:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: Diana (#326)

Some of those inconsistencies bother me too,

That's why I like meher baba, he just says be nice to one another.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   20:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#330. To: Diana (#326)

Some of those inconsistencies bother me too, I read your explanation but I still don't get it. If Jesus is the same as his father, how can the father be greater?

Well, Diana, it just goes to show that the bible is flawed.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   20:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#331. To: Feynman Lives! (#328)

Poor rookie, why dont you google lucianne + forum, get back to me later.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   20:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: Dakmar (#331)

Poor rookie, why dont you google lucianne + forum, get back to me later.

I'll do it... but why am I so scared?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   20:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#333. To: Feynman Lives! (#330)

Looks like you've got a fan club! LOL

http://postliberty.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=2303&Disp=0

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   20:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#334. To: Feynman Lives!, Diana (#330)

Diana, is it true you are a biblical literalist?

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   20:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#335. To: Feynman Lives! (#332)

I'll do it... but why am I so scared?

Lax social reserves?

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   20:55:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#336. To: Feynman Lives!, Zipporah (#297)

There are no universally good or bad things, just perceptions of a moment in time. Look at the bible, at one point it was accepted that if your kid talked back to you, you could KILL them for doing so, and if you touched the skin of a dead pig, you were also put to death. Luckily, perceptions can change.

I think humankind is in a constant state of evolving, or devolving as in the case of the Ik people of Uganda, though I'm not sure what happened to them to make them as they are today.

But I believe most societies agree that "good" is life, peace, harmony and good health, and anything that leads to that is good. "Bad" leads to disease, destruction and death, so actions that lead to suffering are bad.

All societies have their own take on cultural issues, for instance they eat dogs in parts of Asia and that concept would horrify many of us, yet in India they must be horrified at the idea of us eating cows.

But there is a universal code of sorts when it comes to good and bad, which in all human beings can lead to prosperous life or suffering and death. This can occur on an individual basis or as a whole in a society. Societies are considered organisms and they can become sick too from too much bad behavior.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-16   21:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#337. To: Dakmar (#335)

Lax social reserves?

LOL... ok, I checked it out... not as scary as I feared...

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#338. To: Diana (#336)

But there is a universal code of sorts when it comes to good and bad, which in all human beings can lead to prosperous life or suffering and death.

Not true.

There is no universal code when it comes to suffering, death, good and bad.

Here is a wonderful example for you to work with:

The dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. Was this ONE action a UNIVERSALLY GOOD or UNIVERSALLY BAD action?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#339. To: Feynman Lives! (#302)

There are those that go back even further still. The court system of China originated from the Xia Dynasty (2100-1600 B.C.). With the formation of the Xia kingdom, China evolved from a society of prehistoric tribe into a feudal system of social classes. From approximately the 2100 B.C., the ancient law system began to take its form and began the long journey of evolution. Through more than a thousand years from Xia, Shang, Xi Zhou and Chun Qiu, the law of China evolved from a system which based heavily on common practices to a well defined court system. The ancient laws of common practices include the laws of fate, accusation and testimony.

Do you know what happened to the Ik people of Uganda?

Diana  posted on  2006-02-16   21:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#340. To: Zipporah, Feynman Lives! (#307)

Now on to the facts.. where do our laws come from?

Our collective conscience which tells us it's wrong to go around killing and raping, looting and such as it leads to much misery and is disruptive to a community.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-16   21:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#341. To: Diana (#340)

Our collective conscience which tells us it's wrong to go around killing and raping, looting and such as it leads to much misery and is disruptive to a community.

Diana,

I can see that you have a good feeling on what YOUR moral strictures are, but your beliefs are not the beliefs of everyone else.

Again, I ask you to answer this question:

The dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. Was this ONE action a UNIVERSALLY GOOD or UNIVERSALLY BAD action?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#342. To: Diana (#340)

Our collective conscience which tells us it's wrong to go around killing and raping, looting and such as it leads to much misery and is disruptive to a community.

The basis is from the Mosaic code.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   21:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#343. To: Zipporah (#342)

Zip,

Can you answer my question about the dropping of the atomic bomb?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#344. To: Feynman Lives! (#341)

The dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. Was this ONE action a UNIVERSALLY GOOD or UNIVERSALLY BAD action?

relenquish thee demon of the dumbed downer shits, in the name of dale!

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   21:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#345. To: Dakmar (#329)

That's why I like meher baba, he just says be nice to one another.

That's pretty much what I believe. I read one of his books someone got, I found myself agreeing with his ideas on how we should live. I'm not sure why he gave up speaking for a period of time though.

I think our whole existence here is a test of sorts, then we continue on.....

Diana  posted on  2006-02-16   21:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: Feynman Lives! (#343)

The dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. Was this ONE action a UNIVERSALLY GOOD or UNIVERSALLY BAD action?

I dont get your point..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   21:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#347. To: Dakmar (#329)

What do you know about the Ik people?

Diana  posted on  2006-02-16   21:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#348. To: Feynman Lives!, Phaedrus (#15)

You are both right and both wrong. :^) I'm currently intrigued by the notion that Jesus, the Christ (the latter of Greek origin, BTW) reconciled Greek and some eastern Mesopotamian philosophy with the Jewish religion. That the Brits were not Christian until well past mid-millenium and the common law of the Hundreds made an important contribution to English and American law cannot be denied. Likewise, the Christian influence on Europe and Britian certainly shaped the culture of their American descendents. It's kind of like arguing who the baby looks like the most... when little big noise looks a little like both and a little like neither.


Freedom is a social skill.

Anthem  posted on  2006-02-16   21:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#349. To: Zipporah, Feynman Lives! (#333)

To: Feynman Lives!

Looks like you've got a fan club! LOL

http://postliberty.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=2303&Disp=0

Cute!!!

Diana  posted on  2006-02-16   21:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#350. To: Zipporah (#346)

The dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. Was this ONE action a UNIVERSALLY GOOD or UNIVERSALLY BAD action? I dont get your point..

You don't need to understand the POINT of a question in order to answer it, Zip. Or are you saying that you don't know how to answer a question?

The issue before you is a bianary funtion. If it is true that there IS a universal right and wrong, good or bad, in the universe... then answer my question about the dropping of the atomic bomb.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#351. To: Zipporah (#346)

Post 346... heh. That's what happens when you leave a thread open for 24 hours and then respond to the last post on your obsolete screen. ;)


Freedom is a social skill.

Anthem  posted on  2006-02-16   21:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#352. To: Diana (#349)

To: Feynman Lives! Looks like you've got a fan club! LOL

http://postliberty.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=2303&Disp=0

Cute!!!

Let them know I am not interested.

Flattered, but not interested.

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#353. To: Dakmar (#344)

The dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. Was this ONE action a UNIVERSALLY GOOD or UNIVERSALLY BAD action? relenquish thee demon of the dumbed downer shits, in the name of dale!

ROFLMAO!!! Dakmar... who is Dale?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#354. To: Feynman Lives! (#350)

You don't need to understand the POINT of a question in order to answer it, Zip. Or are you saying that you don't know how to answer a question?

The issue before you is a bianary funtion. If it is true that there IS a universal right and wrong, good or bad, in the universe... then answer my question about the dropping of the atomic bomb.

Do you mean binary?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   21:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#355. To: Diana (#345)

My parents never went to church, and my dad openly mocked all religions.

I hate socialists too, if that's any comfort.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   21:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#356. To: Anthem (#351)

Post 346... heh. That's what happens when you leave a thread open for 24 hours and then respond to the last post on your obsolete screen. ;)

LOL! That'll teach you to refresh :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   21:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#357. To: Feynman Lives! (#353)

Who do you think Dale is?

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   21:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#358. To: Zipporah (#354)

Do you mean binary?

OOOOOH, if I had a pillow filled with butterscotch pudding, I would SO smack you with it right now! :P

Thank you, GRAMMAR NAZI, for the correction.

Now, will you kindly answer the question?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#359. To: Anthem (#351)

Post 346... heh. That's what happens when you leave a thread open for 24 hours and then respond to the last post on your obsolete screen.

that would be 348 and i'm laughing at with you. :P

christine  posted on  2006-02-16   21:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#360. To: Dakmar (#357)

Who do you think Dale is?

Roy Rogers girlfriend?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#361. To: Feynman Lives!, Zipporah (#358)

OOOOOH, if I had a pillow filled with butterscotch pudding,

she prefers chocolate.

christine  posted on  2006-02-16   21:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#362. To: Feynman Lives! (#338)

The dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. Was this ONE action a UNIVERSALLY GOOD or UNIVERSALLY BAD action?

I would say universally bad, as the war was about over and I doubt those bombings would have changed the outcome. Apparently Japan was about to cave in anyway.

I see your point, this was never meant to be a perfect world and everything in it is flawed. I still maintain though that there are universal laws of good and evil among humans, though groups still clash with others resulting in wars.

I don't think good and bad are subjective, as everyone feels, including you, and no one wants to suffer, or see those they love suffer or die.

If people were mere robots with no mind or soul, there would still be a code of right and wrong as even dogs and horses and other social animals have strict rules of conduct.

I think the most important clue in this whole thing is that this is not a perfect world.

Diana  posted on  2006-02-16   21:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#363. To: Feynman Lives! (#358)

OOOOOH, if I had a pillow filled with butterscotch pudding, I would SO smack you with it right now! :P

Thank you, GRAMMAR NAZI, for the correction.

Now, will you kindly answer the question?

No, make that spelling Nazi.. anyway, I just wanted to be sure I understood what you were saying..

So you're asking if I believe that it was universally wrong to drop nukes on Japan.. I would answer yes in my opinion it was.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-16   21:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#364. To: christine (#361)

she prefers chocolate.

Dammit! And I had this one half filled already!

*tosses soiled pillowcase over the deck and onto the street below

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#365. To: Zipporah (#354)

bianary funtion

weren't they the jazz band at the 2004 special olympics?

Yes, that was uncalled for, I know I'm going to hell. Bury me by the waterslides, ok?

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-02-16   21:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#366. To: Diana (#362)

This is to both Diana and Zip.

The dropping of the atomic bomb cost 110,000 lives.

However, it SAVED, at a minimum, 3 MILLION lives.

So, which was the greater good?

A LOT of people HAD to die to end that war... Was it a greater thing to save those 110,000 lives or the 3,000,000 who would have died in the invasion of Japan?

"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams

Feynman Lives!  posted on  2006-02-16   21:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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