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Title: Can Christ Followers Save The World From Christians
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We Hold These Truths
URL Source: http://www.whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=709
Published: Feb 6, 2006
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2006-02-15 00:09:52 by Red Jones
Keywords: Christians, Followers, Christ
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Can Christ Followers save the world from Christians Charles E. Carlson Feb 06, 2006 Why all the bad news? The news stories in the world press, from South Africa to Norway, are incredibly negative about the USA. It was not always that way. Once, not long ago, most press was good to the USA. Our generations of military and tourists have been treated like liberators in Germany and Japan, countries we helped to destroy and then rebuilt. But no more, “America” is mud. This letter is not for everyone. Some already recognize the answer, but many still deny that the USA has become both the awful predator, and the world’s engine of monetary dilution. Less anyone thinks this writer is causing America’s image problem we add these words from a pretty good President, Theodore Roosevelt, who was also a decorated military officer: "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official, save to the extent in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.” "In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth - whether about the president or anyone else - save in the rare case where this would make known to the enemy information of military value which would otherwise be unknown to him." -Theodore Roosevelt Jesus gave us parables to help us understand his lessons. We follow his example with a parable about a man and the pet he loves and think he controls, which we liken to our government. This man discovers, to his horror and dismay, that his family dog has become a nighttime marauder, a predator, slipping out of the yard and pillaging the community, killing other pets and threatening pedestrians, and then jumping back into the backyard to sleep it off. What should the man do: 1) Feed the dog more and hope he will stay home? 2) Build a higher fence, cement-in the yard and put double locks on every access? (3) Ignore the problem? (4) Put the dog to sleep before someone is hurt? The pet owner could try the second choice (2), if he has the patience and money, but chances are he will not sleep well at night. It is his responsibility to stop the crimes, even if it means he has to destroy his own dog. It is not up to the police to solve the crime, nor is it up to the neighbors to correct it. In truth, he should do it himself because he is responsible, not the taxpayers who pay for the animal shelter. Similarly, it is up to the most responsible Americans to correct criminal acts against its world neighbors, and if we do not then the blood of the USA’s every crime is on our hands. It is not good enough to say, "Oh, this is a great place to live...our standard of living is the envy of the world...even if we do make some mistakes." It is not our place to recite all the wrongs of our government, we would never finish, nor do we defend any other government for it murderous faults. All are corrupt to some degree. We do defend the right to life of our neighbors, as described in our own Declaration of Independence. Life itself is a gift from God...this is not (for followers of Christ) a subjective, take it or leave it observation, it is an absolute. A friend and supporter recently called to ask me if I might tone down what he considered my obvious favoritism toward the Palestinian people, whom we have come to call the Philistines. He told me I sound so biased that someone who did not know me might think "they are paying me." In fact, it is people like my caller who is supporting We Hold These Truths, so we listen. My reply was: Thanks, but I cannot help what I say or the passion that shows through. I have been to the land of the Philistines and seen. Now I am their champion as long as they are suppressed by our own government. Our government is the marauding dog. I told my friend I would try to do a better job of explaining my bias, but I must not stop defending the innocent blood that is being shed. This is not to say the Philistines, or their current leaders, Hamas, are perfect, nor to deny they have their criminal element, which they do have. I told a beleaguered Univerisity class the same thing when I stood among them in Gaza City, but it is our government. not theirs, that is the problem. I have but one point to make. God does not “Will” that this great land become the predator of the world. He expects us to be the good stewards of what we are given. We can stop the marauding animal in our back yards if we will allow God to help us. And, if God does not help us, we need not worry about it, for it should now be obvious to most that we cannot overcome the mass of evil power loosed on the world by our own strength alone. Our “predator” inside our gates has become a "King Kong behemoth. We can succeed only if we do it God’s way, else we will fail. Abraham Lincoln may have later broken his own rules, but he was dead right when he stated in 1848: “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better.” It seem logical thta God's way is to correct His followers As we have said over and over again and say now, the self-styled Christian Zionist churches, with some 70 million under their influence, are the logical answer. We call them Scofieldized churches, others call them Dispensational, or lately Christian Zionists, whatever name you call them, they are the enablers of the monster on the loose in the world. It is Scofieldized churches that feed it; it is they who left the gate ajar at night, and they taught the marauder to vault the highest fence. They hatched a logic and theology that enables ethnic cleansing in the Mideast. Only the Scofieldized church, among all the major religions in the world, believes the acts of the nighttime marauder are Godly, and therefore, encourages it. In America the members of the Scofieldized churchs are the salt of the earth, the good neighbors we all want, the famliy poeple who care, but they are horrible and criminaly misled and they must be salvaged from God professors to Jesus Christ's followers. Scofildized Christian Zionists simply refuse to see the blood and torn bodies of victims. One of the Ten Commandments that God is said to have given to Moses is: "You shall not [no, never] take the name of the Lord your God in vain." This is exactly what the Scofieldized churches do today by supporting in God’s name that which God abhors, the spilling of innocent blood. Each one allows the abuses that Jesus denied and decried. He said to the Pharisees, "you will not enter into heaven, and you block the way of anyone who would enter." Jesus could have been speaking to the pastors today. What is needed is men who will use any tactic that is legal, moral and Godly to reach into the evangelical church and paint the blood of the victims on its doorways where they cannot overlook it. This is the mission of Pharisee Watch and Project Strait Gate. And how do we achieve such a feat? God’s churches, if they are of God, should be the salt of the earth, but these millions have lost their savor, and therefore, are: "fit only to be trodden under the feet of men." But they can change…most of We Hold These Truth's advisors did. Each Christian Zionist at some point lost his senses in the shouting crowd; they will regain their senses slowly, one by one, church by church…with our/your help. This is our agenda. Start by watching our one hour presentation, with your friends, right on your computer, or you may buy it for your TV: Our best tool to help you teach, view it free: Why Christian-Zionist cannot work for peace, Interactive fully guided free audio/video.
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#45. To: Feynman Lives! (#41)
I don't think so, because throughout western civilization, when Christianity took hold in Europe it became a way of life for the majority of people except for Jews who kept their religion, and the agnostics who have a hard time believing in things where there is no proof. When I was in school some years ago, I got suspended for a week because I said, "I swear to God!" I was highly repremanded and screamed at for taking the Lord's name in vain and was told I had to take a week off for blasphising Jesus. I didn't appreciate that much, and it was a public school. People can use all kinds of fancy words to confuse and misdirect and such, but it you take an honest look back at American history you will see Christianity played a large part in the lives of the majority population. People lived by Christian principles, and many of them abused Christianity, no doubt about that.
You might want to consider, before you make a bigger fool of yourself, Oh come on now. You're too bright to resort to name-calling. I think you can do better than that.
Western Civilization was already massively influenced by the culture of ancient greece long before before the cult of christianity started to grow.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman I thought the argument was over whether the US has traditionally been a Christian country, not Ancient Greece. I'm sure you know that Catholic Church ruled with an iron fist throughout Europe for a few hundred years.
I can. But based upon his performance, why bother? He has nothing to offer but sophistry.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman See, this is where you need to go back and read what was said BEFORE jumping in when you don't know what is going on, Diana. He said "It kinda disgusts me when Christianity, which just happens to be the foundation of our way of life, of Western Science and Civiliation, is ridiculed and attacked." It is not about whether or not there are traditional values existent in socitety, it is about the FOUNDATION of our way of life, western science and civilization. Sorry, but christianity just ain't the right answer... sure it has influence now, but it was not the FOUNDATION of it all... not by a longshot.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman That is a very difficult question for anyone to answer, as there are so many versions of the bible. People will say this bible or that bible is evil, only read this one version, etc. If you read any other version it's not the word of God, then there is the Catholic bible which is altogether different. Also that Scofield bible which came out little over a hundred years ago is another version. It can get very confusing with all the different translations, parts added and parts taken away, though from what I can tell the general concensus is that the KJ version is the best, though he changed it around somewhat too.
I agree with that, this was suppose to be a country of religious freedom unlike Europe in times past. But culturally the US did morph into a Christian nation.
LOL No, that is a RIDICULOUSLY EASY question to answer. The bible is a work of FICTION that draws on a few loose facts. Much like a spy novel written by Tom Clancy, they use truths of the day to make the story readable. Except that Tom knows how to write. The bible is poorly written. VERY poorly written. It is so full of holes, lies and blatant contradictions, that if it were not considered a RELIGIOUS book, it would have no literary value whatsoever. STILL there are people today, people on this very FORUM I would wager, who feel that the bible is TRUE. LOL Now that is just sad...
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Not true. Yes, there is an undeniable christian thread to our societal structure, but that is a FAR cry from saying we are a CHRISTIAN nation. Furthermore, this is NOT what Phaedrus was talking about, you are OFF topic with your point (which is also loosely made).
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman So what was?
Tom, IF you had read the thread, you would have seen where this question was ALREADY answered. If you read the entire thread and STILL can't get your answer, THEN come back to me.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman But foundations change, you can have a country that lays down rules as it's foundation, but as times go by things always tend to change. I believe the foundation was for the US to be a free country with separation of church and state and freedom of religion along with rights for citizens. Those foundations were laid down a long time ago. However cultures do tend to change with time, look at us now, our values are very different than they were even 100 years ago. Foundations are just that, a platform of idealistic ideas which tend to disintigrate/morph over time. I do think Christianity is on the wane, replaced by pornography and such.
Diana, With all due respect, I need to explain to you what the word FOUNDATION means in this context. foundation 1: the basis on which something is grounded; "there is little foundation for his objections" So, you see, the FOUNDATION of a country can NOT change. The direction of that country can, but not the FOUNDATION.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Why does it have to be? I wasn't responding to Phaedrus, I was responding to you. I disagree that my point was loosely made, any civilization starts off with a foundation of ideas. As time goes by things change a lot. Look at Ancient Rome or any other civilization that lasted for any extended period of time. However I maintain that the US traditionally and culturally has been a majority Christian country, I am saying majority now because obviously not 100% of Americans have been or are now Christians.
OK I am good with that, as a base. I just do not get why you seem to need to belittle any one who does not totally agree with you. It's does not make your arguments palatable, and does nothing but provoke those whom you might have had a dialogue with. And then to claim you are polite, well, you are not, and don't even think of asking me to waste my time comming up with examples, as you can do it for yourself. Unless you cannot see it yourself. Which is what I am beginning to believe.
THE MASONIC NEW WORLD ORDER http://watch.pair.com/mason.html America, on the other hand is another story, and I've explained it here more than once. Ezekiel 34:13; Micah 4; Psalm 2, etc. etc. The whole Bible is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and being fulfilled in America. great distinction! well done.
Diana, You were responding to me OFF the topic of the conversation I was having with Phaedrus. You took the conversation out of context and tried to spin it in a direction that was not being discussed. You are free to maintain whatever you wish, but you are incorrect about this nation. Next time, try to stay WITH the conversation, or start a NEW thread for your own kooky ideas.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman So what was? Tom, IF you had read the thread, you would have seen where this question was ALREADY answered. If you read the entire thread and STILL can't get your answer, THEN come back to me. Okey I'll bite, are you referring to the remarks of the founding fathers?
But Christine, With all due respect, he just got done ADMITTING that the bible is NOT a work of fact, so what does it matter what is said in the book? Might as well quote from Shel Silverstein...
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Hemp was one of the FOUNDATIONS of the early US economy. How times have changed...
After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs
Would you kindly explain to me how I spinned it and which direction I spun it towards?
What are you, crazy???? All around me here in Colorado Springs are Zorastianst's Temples, and Celtic religions. And then there's the cannibals.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Again, if you READ the the thread, that is asked and answered. You get no points for being lazy.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman thank-you for those bible verses in #17. I enjoyed reading them. fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom.
OK Mr polite, I'll do it once.
Sure, You failed to understand the crux of the discussion and then you made comments that didn't relate to the discussion. Pretty simple.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman I think I'll drop out of this argument too, it's impossible to reason with someone who only insults, bobs, spins, weaves and distorts. It's a waste of time to try to reason with someone who does not intend on being reasonable. Reminds me much of BAC or one of his gang. They/he are masters at that sort of thing.
Red, you want some more bible verses to read? You never got done reading the ones I showed you that PROVES that the bible is pornographic and, according to you, ALL who read the bible are GAY.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman oh please, Phoney-Man. that is a laugh coming from you.
she did? i obviously missed that. the distinction i was referring to specifically is the distinction she made between the US Government and America.
Sure, You failed to understand the crux of the discussion and then you made comments that didn't relate to the discussion. Pretty simple. Enter Screen Names of recipients separated by commas or semicolons. O what crappola, RF. Diana made perfectly good, thoughtful, remarks on the subject, better than many you did. Your schtick is wearing thin.
there is no fruit worth consuming that you offer. so, it is true, I did not read those verses that you cited. I am aware that there are racey sections of the bible. You've taught me nothying.
That is rational.
True, but there were no hippies to smoke it in those days. They made rope out of it for a while and then it just went away.
wise decision Miss Diana. the Phoney-Man is like BAC too. He loves homosexual themes. He loves porn themes. He loves to ridicule the bible and will spend huge amounts of time and effort doing it. etc. etc. etc.
Arguments have to be palatable now? I thought that they just had to be well founded and/or defensible with facts. I don't recall the last time I was told by a judge that my case was being dismissed because my argument was not PALATABLE. How do you have a palatable argument with people who put their stock in ghosts and goblins that even Scooby Doo wouldn't bother to be afraid of. If you felt I was impolite, Tom, then I sincerely apologize. Please accept my heartfelt sorrow over your upsetting incident here.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Congratulations, that's shot right to #1 on my list of all time most boorish dreck.
After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. - William S Burroughs
And just what WAS the subject, Tom? Let us now see if you were paying attention.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman
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#46. To: Feynman Lives! (#13)
Phaedrus,
#47. To: Diana (#45)
I don't think so, because throughout western civilization, when Christianity took hold in Europe it became a way of life for the majority of people except for Jews who kept their religion, and the agnostics who have a hard time believing in things where there is no proof.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#48. To: Feynman Lives! (#15)
You might want to consider, before you make a bigger fool of yourself, that Greece is considered the foundation of western civilization because their art, philosophy, science, political ideas etc went on to spread throughout Europe and many places around the globe.
#49. To: Diana (#46)
I think you can do better than that.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#50. To: Diana (#48)
thought the argument was over whether the US has traditionally been a Christian country, not Ancient Greece
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#51. To: Feynman Lives! (#28)
Do you think that the bible is 100% FACT, or FICTION?
#52. To: Feynman Lives! (#44)
GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#53. To: Diana (#51)
That is a very difficult question for anyone to answer, as there are so many versions of the bible
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#54. To: Diana (#52)
But culturally the US did morph into a Christian nation.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#55. To: Feynman Lives!, diana (#50)
Sorry, but christianity just ain't the right answer... sure it has influence now, but it was not the FOUNDATION of it all... not by a longshot.
#56. To: tom007 (#55)
So what was?
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#57. To: Feynman Lives! (#50)
It is not about whether or not there are traditional values existent in socitety, it is about the FOUNDATION of our way of life, western science and civilization.
#58. To: Diana (#57)
But foundations change, you can have a country that lays down rules as it's foundation, but as times go by things always tend to change.
2: the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture" [syn: basis, base, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone]
3: lowest support of a structure; "it was built on a base of solid rock"; "he stood at the foot of the tower" [syn: base, fundament, foot, groundwork, substructure, understructure]
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#59. To: Feynman Lives! (#54)
Furthermore, this is NOT what Phaedrus was talking about, you are OFF topic with your point (which is also loosely made).
#60. To: Feynman Lives!, diana (#56)
The GREEKS were around and building their culture many CENTURIES before Jesus or the bible showed up on the scene. The civilization of ancient Greece flowered more than 2500 years ago but it influences the way we live today.
#61. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#16)
You are right...the US government was not founded on Christianity. It was founded on Judeo-FreeMasonry.
#62. To: Diana (#59)
Why does it have to be? I wasn't responding to Phaedrus, I was responding to you.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#63. To: Feynman Lives! (#56)
To: tom007
#64. To: christine (#61)
America, on the other hand is another story, and I've explained it here more than once. Ezekiel 34:13; Micah 4; Psalm 2, etc. etc. The whole Bible is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and being fulfilled in America.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#65. To: Diana, Feynman Lives! (#59)
#66. To: Feynman Lives! (#62)
You took the conversation out of context and tried to spin it in a direction that was not being discussed.
#67. To: Diana (#59)
However I maintain that the US traditionally and culturally has been a majority Christian country
#68. To: christine (#61)
#69. To: Diana (#63)
Okey I'll bite, are you referring to the remarks of the founding fathers?
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#70. To: AllTheKingsHorsesWontDoIt (#17)
#71. To: Feynman Lives! (#62)
Next time, try to stay WITH the conversation, or start a NEW thread for your own kooky ideas.
#72. To: Diana (#66)
Would you kindly explain to me how I spinned it and which direction I spun it towards?
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#73. To: tom007, Feynman Lives!, christine (#60)
OK I am good with that, as a base. I just do not get why you seem to need to belittle any one who does not totally agree with you. It's does not make your arguments palatable, and does nothing but provoke those whom you might have had a dialogue with.
#74. To: Red Jones (#70)
thank-you for those bible verses in #17. I enjoyed reading them
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#75. To: Feynman Lives! (#15)
I see that you have NOTHING substantive to offer in your defense of your mythological beliefs...
#76. To: Feynman Lives!, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#64)
With all due respect, he just got done ADMITTING that the bible is NOT a work of fact
#77. To: Feynman Lives!, diana (#72)
Would you kindly explain to me how I spinned it and which direction I spun it towards?
#78. To: Feynman Lives! (#74)
You never got done reading the ones I showed you
#79. To: Diana (#73)
It's a waste of time to try to reason with someone who does not intend on being reasonable.
#80. To: Dakmar (#65)
Hemp was one of the FOUNDATIONS of the early US economy. How times have changed...
#81. To: Diana (#73)
I think I'll drop out of this argument too
#82. To: tom007 (#60)
It's does not make your arguments palatable, and does nothing but provoke those whom you might have had a dialogue with.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#83. To: Feynman Lives! (#62)
You are free to maintain whatever you wish, but you are incorrect about this nation.
#84. To: tom007 (#77)
Diana made perfectly good, thoughtful, remarks on the subject,
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
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