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Title: Media Ignores Cheney 'Smoking Gun'
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Prison Planet
URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bohemian_grove.html
Published: Feb 15, 2006
Author: Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Post Date: 2006-02-15 14:37:00 by Zoroaster
Keywords: Smoking, Ignores, Cheney
Views: 367
Comments: 52
Media Ignores Cheney 'Smoking Gun' A 28-gauge shotgun fired at 30 yards is too weak to cause Whittington's injuries Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison http://Planet.com | February 15 2006 Amidst the swirl of outrage, obfuscation and wisecracking, one fundamental flaw in the White House's Cheney shooting story remains. How can a 28-gauge shotgun fired from supposedly 30 yards away cause pellets to become lodged in someone's heart? How can a weapon that has little more power than a kids BB gun fire projectiles that in most cases don't penetrate further than an inch into a bird's breast and yet in this instance tore through a hunting vest, clothes underneath, the chest cavity and into the muscle of Whittington's heart? Alex Jones has been bird hunting on countless occasions and considers himself an expert. Alex says that it is simply impossible for such a weak shotgun to cause such damage from 30 yards . Alex has used shotguns that are more powerful than the 28-gauge and seen pellets literally bounce off birds and only stun them. It is common practice for birds to be stunned as a result of the pellets not penetrating and it is usually necessary to have to snap the neck to finish them off. The only explanation that fits the nature of Whittington's injuries is that Cheney's gun discharged at extremely close range. The most fundamental basics of gun safety are that you don't point loaded weapons at people, you point them down at the ground and keep them very carefully under control. As others have speculated it is likely that Cheney was drunk and he dropped the weapon, causing it to discharge and pepper Whittington at close range. Cheney refused to talk to local police until the next day and the Secret Service made sure the authorities had no access to him. This tells us that Cheney considers himself to be above the law. If any other US citizen shot someone in the face would the police be happy to wait 14 hours before talking to them? The media seems to be focusing on the delay in reporting the original incident and the White House cover-up of the fact that Whittington had a heart attack. These are important issues but why are no questions being asked about the incompatibility between the official story and the injuries sustained by Whittington? Related: Secret Service stalls and delays for Cheney
Poster Comment: Cheney regards violence as inherently legitmate. Poor Whittington provides a unique example. Will Cheney pepper Iran with nukes? His interview on Fox News tonight may provide clues.
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Printer friendly version Posted 15/02/2006 Email this article to a friend Voice of the White House February 13, 2006 TBR http://News.org – February 13, 2006 “Two subjects for the readership today. The first deals with the recent shooting accident of the Vice President and the second with a far more serious matter; the incapacitation of President during the opening days of the Katrina crisis. The Cheney story is by now well covered in the American media. ‘The shooting was first reported by the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. The vice president's office did not disclose the accident until nearly 24 hours after it happened. Armstrong said she was watching from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter got out of the vehicle to shoot at a covey of quail. Whittington shot a bird and went to look for it in the tall grass, while Cheney and the third hunter walked to another spot and discovered a second covey. Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong said. "The vice president didn't see him," she continued. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by god, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good." (My, my!) This is a quote off the wire. Had an email from someone who saw the initial SS report to the White House and it runs almost the same except to put a slightly different spin on it. Cheney, heavily guarded and accompanied by a small army of security men and a few medical personnel, was hunting quail in thin brush. One of the party who was a little behind him shot a quail and had to hunt it up in the bush. He found the bird and then charged after the Cheney people. The VP, who is terrified that people are going to assassinate him, heard his friend calling and crashing towards him, saw a figure with a gun... and fired right at him. Man was hit in the face with bird shot. Cheney was stone sober at the time and I am surprised he was shooting at birds on the wing. Normally, he likes tethered or tame game so he won't have to overexert himself. A tame white duck, trussed up and hanging up, alive, in a tree (not too high) is a perfect point blank target for the sportsman Cheney. The only sinister aspect to this is the hysterical behavior of the VP . I have done a lot of hunting in my life: quail, pheasants, ducks, geese, a big rabbit hunt in Germany with beaters and all, German wild boar, deer, elk and the occasional beater. I have gone after quail before and know the part of Texas they are talking about. I am positive it all happened as described but am equally positive that Cheney way overreacted and shot out of sheer terror. Think about it. Our senior leadership is not only corrupt, they are nuttier than fruitcakes! Now, on to much more serious matters: There are growing questions in the media and also in Congress as to exactly why President Bush was “not available” during the vital first few days of the Katrina disaster. There are statements, made under oath before Congress, by former FEMA director Brown that he always bypassed DHS Secretary Chertoff on important matters because of the latter’s gross incompetence. Brown testified that he personally notified Bush, who had gone to his Texas ranch at Crawford before the hurricane hit, on the Sunday that the approaching storm was obviously very serious, was headed directly for the very vulnerable New Orleans and that he, Brown, would keep the President personally informed. On Monday, when it appeared that the New Orleans levees had broken, Brown notified Crawford that this had happened but was not able to speak with the President personally. As he testified, for the next few days, he was unable to speak with Bush but passed his vital messages to Andrew Card, his chief of staff, or other top Bush officials then at Crawford. I have personally spoken with personnel at Crawford and also with one accredited newsperson with the Presidential party and have learned that for three days, George W. Bush was “totally unavailable” for any kind of report on the terrible damage caused by Katrina and the urgent need to help the suffering population. Bush did, and said, <>absolutely nothing.<> Why is this? Quite simply because the President was drunk. Yes, Bush was, and is, a so-called “binge drinker.” This means that from time to time, often when under pressure, he goes to Crawford for privacy and during his visit, gets royally drunk. During this time, it has been proven impossible to communicate anything to Bush, and his aides and his wife not only shield him from hostile eyes but endeavor to fill in until he is back amongst the living again. In this case, the White House staff in Washington, horrified by the mounting news stories and well aware of the President’s chronic drinking problems, compiled a DVD containing urgent television programs on the progress of the disaster and sent it by courier to Crawford to play for the President. Three days after the levee collapse and the mounting chaos in New Orleans, Bush apparently regained some degree of sobriety and then decided to leave Crawford… <>for a fund-raising dinner in Arizona and a photo opportunity in California!. <> In spite of the frantic attempts on the part of his staff and senior advisors, he refused to either go to New Orleans or return to Washington. If nothing else, Bush will not be told what to do by anyone and this was the situation here. He duly flew over the flooded city, pointed at the mess for the press cameraman and then relaxed with a nice lunch with his staff. Realizing that the President could be accused of dereliction of duty, Clever Karl, the Fat Viper, decided to blame the neglect on Brown, released enough material to make a fool out of him and then forced him to retire. Brown, however, had the foresight to keep his communications with the White House and presented them to a Congressional committee. He certainly managed to overcome the image of a bumbling failure and although very careful about accusing the President, he nevertheless pointed directly to a complete failure on the part of the President and his staff as well as the Director of Homeland Security. He gave much better than he got and now the public, and Congress, has a nice bone to chew on. To be blunt, Bush and his gang couldn’t run a mechanical whorehouse and the sooner we can rid ourselves of them, the better. If you come up behind Bush, he might like it but Cheney will shoot you. What a guilty conscience this bunker- living bombastic idiot must have. Pop a paperbag near him and his pump would give out on the spot.” http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives /a2139.htm Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Zoraster... Perhaps the president TRIED to kill him and failed, and this is all a coverup? OR, maybe Whittington tried to commit suicide, and failed... and instead of embarrassing Whittington and his family - the Vice Presidenty, in a bold step of nobility and leadership, came forward and said that it was HE who "accidentally" shot him? OR, maybe Whittington wasn't shot at all, this all might be a hoax to take the focus off the war? LOL
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman If someone as foul-tempered as Cheney shot Whittington at close range, isn't it as likely to have been deliberate as accidental?
The chronology is off. Bush was in Arizona on the Monday Katrina hit, and in California the following morning.
I've read that Whittington has 200 pieces of bird shot in him. I'm not an expert, but that sounds like it was close range to me.
Fred, That is not possible from ONE shot of a rifle of that caliber.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Are you serious, or being sarcastic?
Cheney's wife writes lesbian love novels. Forty years of marriage to a bulldyke could compell a man to shot his hunting pal in the face.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Didn't that reporter on the News Hour last night say Cheney shot Whittington more than once?
You do know there was no rifle involved, Right??
Read it and weep. Fred... Please site your source for this random series of typing. Thanks!
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman There was no buckshot involved.
A shotgun is commonly also referred to as a rifle in modern parlance, Duck, but thanks.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman There was no buckshot involved. SHHHHH.. DUCK... SHHHH... I wanted to see where he was going with this. ROFL...
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman http: //www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18161422% 255E663,00.html I didn't write the article.
Been a hunter, shooter and outdoor enthusiast for years and can confidently say that you are dead wrong. No hunter worth his salt would confuse the two.
I think one of the doctors in Corpus Christi reported the approximate size of the pellet in Whittington's heart (I read this on Daily Kos -- I think it was .55 mm,) and, unless he got the size very wrong, that particular pellet was too big to be shot used to hunt quail.
My apologies.
Don't know the exact size of the shot, but that sure seems reasonable for 7 1/2 shot.
But all Salt-Free hunters would. :)
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman This is why I think Cheney may prefer Whittington to be dead. This loopy stuff about wheeling and whirling, and shooting Whittington at 30 yards, and pellets causing heart attack, is just a lead-in to the sombre announcement that Whittington's "very stable" condition has become "eternally stable."
You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game.
Well... a 7 1/2 shell will have only 262 pellets in it. SO.. you are saying that 80% of the pellets hit Whittington from that distance? LOL
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman What bs. I would challenge AJ to step off thirty yards and let my 28 gauge demonstrate what it can do to his face and chest. BB gun, my ass.
You are so full of it, if you had more sense, you'd be ashamed. But no...
Tom, Wow... and after you apologized for being such an ass to me earlier... your next comment to me is AGAIN showing you as an ass. Lovely. Modern parlance encompasses non-hunters, Tom... people who don't handle guns won't distinguish between a rifle and a shotgun. They just don't care enough to make a distinction.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Amazing isn't it? "In modern parlance..." What a joke. Watch it, he will never admit he's wrong.
Brit Hume just said on Faux Noos, while recounting his interview with Cheney, that Cheney claimed to have a beer with the lunch/cookout, many hours prior to the incident occurring. I won't believe a word of the interview.
7 1/2 shot has a diameter of 2.41 mm. I had misremembered what the doctor said about the pellet in Whittington's heart: it's about 5 mm.
For Revelers Behind the Wheel, 'Only 2 Beers' Is an Unwise Line.
I was just reading that a heart condition and heart meds can interfere with the metabolization of alcohol.
Right. I know a friend on heart meds and he isn't supposed to (and he doesn't) drink alcohol. I saw this statement from an article posted at elPee: A shotgun shell is never called a 'round', at least among experienced hunters. He implies that he only hit him once.
Point is, if his metabolization of alcohol is impeded, he could still be intoxicated several hours after drinking with that unmetabolized alcohol.
This is the Hume quote from dKos source. http://www.dailykos.co m/story/2006/2/15/152454/482 The interview will air at 6 p.m. after Karl Rove edits it.
I didn't say that. I will say that if that many pellets hit him from a 28 gauge loaded w/ 7.5 shot then he was much closer than we've been told.
I would agree with you if he was MUCH closer...
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman That'd be what? 4 shot?
How much would 200 7.5 pellets weight, anybody know?
That table seems to indicate BBB.
not much
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman I'm guessing the entire payload weighed either 3/4 or 1 oz. 200 pellets would be very near to a full load.
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#2. To: Zoroaster (#0)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." 1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#3. To: Zoroaster (#0)
As others have speculated it is likely that Cheney was drunk and he dropped the weapon, causing it to discharge and pepper Whittington at close range.
#4. To: Zoroaster (#1)
Three days after the levee collapse and the mounting chaos in New Orleans, Bush apparently regained some degree of sobriety and then decided to leave Crawford… <>for a fund-raising dinner in Arizona and a photo opportunity in California!. <>
#5. To: aristeides (#3)
#6. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
I've read that Whittington has 200 pieces of bird shot in him. I'm not an expert, but that sounds like it was close range to me
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#7. To: Feynman Lives! (#6)
That is not possible from ONE shot of a rifle of that caliber
#8. To: aristeides (#3)
If someone as foul-tempered as Cheney shot Whittington at close range, isn't it as likely to have been deliberate as accidental?
#9. To: Feynman Lives! (#6)
#10. To: Feynman Lives! (#6)
#11. To: Feynman Lives! (#6)
That is not possible from ONE shot of a rifle of that caliber.
#12. To: Fred Mertz (#10)
Harry Whittington has a buckshot pellet in his heart and up to 200 pellets in the rest of his body after being accidentally shot by Mr Cheney during a weekend hunting trip.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#13. To: Fred Mertz (#10)
Harry Whittington has a buckshot pellet in his heart and up to 200 pellets in the rest of his body after being accidentally shot by Mr Cheney during a weekend hunting trip.
#14. To: duckhunter (#11)
You do know there was no rifle involved, Right??
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#15. To: duckhunter (#13)
Harry Whittington has a buckshot pellet in his heart and up to 200 pellets in the rest of his body after being accidentally shot by Mr Cheney during a weekend hunting trip.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#16. To: duckhunter (#13)
#17. To: Feynman Lives! (#14)
A shotgun is commonly also referred to as a rifle in modern parlance, Duck, but thanks.
#18. To: duckhunter (#13)
#19. To: Fred Mertz (#16)
I didn't write the article.
#20. To: aristeides (#18)
I think it was .55 mm
#21. To: duckhunter (#17)
No hunter worth his salt would confuse the two.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#22. To: Zoroaster (#0)
#23. To: duckhunter (#20)
7 1/2 shot
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#24. To: Zoroaster (#0)
How can a weapon that has little more power than a kids BB gun fire projectiles that in most cases don't penetrate further than an inch into a bird's breast and yet in this instance tore through a hunting vest, clothes underneath, the chest cavity and into the muscle of Whittington's heart?
#25. To: Feynman Lives!, duckhunter (#14)
A shotgun is commonly also referred to as a rifle in modern parlance, Duck, but thanks.
#26. To: tom007 (#25)
You are so full of it, if you had more sense, you'd be ashamed. But no
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#27. To: duckhunter (#17)
Been a hunter, shooter and outdoor enthusiast for years and can confidently say that you are dead wrong. No hunter worth his salt would confuse the two.
#28. To: aristeides (#18)
#29. To: duckhunter (#20)
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#28)
#31. To: Fred Mertz (#28)
Cheney claimed to have a beer with the lunch/cookout, many hours prior to the incident occurring.
#32. To: aristeides, duckhunter (#31)
"I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that fired the round that hit Harry," Cheney told Fox News Channel in an interview.
#33. To: Fred Mertz (#32)
#34. To: aristeides (#33)
Brit Hume: "He said he'd had a beer at lunch and that it had been many hours earlier. It was dusk, around 5pm when this incident happened. And he said that they'd, uh, had lunch out in the field, a barbeque, he had a beer. But he said you don't hunt with people who are drinking. He said no one was drinking. He said they went back to the ranch afterword and took a break after that and went back out about 3 o'clock, so you're 4 or 5 hours distance from the last alcohol that he'd consumed and he said nobody was drinking. Not he, not anybody else."
#35. To: Feynman Lives! (#23)
SO.. you are saying that 80% of the pellets hit Whittington from that distance?
#36. To: duckhunter (#35)
didn't say that. I will say that if that many pellets hit him from a 28 gauge loaded w/ 7.5 shot then he was much closer than we've been told.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#37. To: aristeides (#29)
7 1/2 shot has a diameter of 2.41 mm. I had misremembered what the doctor said about the pellet in Whittington's heart: it's about 5 mm.
#38. To: Feynman Lives! (#36)
#39. To: duckhunter (#37)
#40. To: aristeides (#38)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#41. To: aristeides (#38)
How much would 200 7.5 pellets weight, anybody know?
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