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Title: Media Ignores Cheney 'Smoking Gun'
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Prison Planet
URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bohemian_grove.html
Published: Feb 15, 2006
Author: Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Post Date: 2006-02-15 14:37:00 by Zoroaster
Keywords: Smoking, Ignores, Cheney
Views: 390
Comments: 52
Media Ignores Cheney 'Smoking Gun' A 28-gauge shotgun fired at 30 yards is too weak to cause Whittington's injuries Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison http://Planet.com | February 15 2006 Amidst the swirl of outrage, obfuscation and wisecracking, one fundamental flaw in the White House's Cheney shooting story remains. How can a 28-gauge shotgun fired from supposedly 30 yards away cause pellets to become lodged in someone's heart? How can a weapon that has little more power than a kids BB gun fire projectiles that in most cases don't penetrate further than an inch into a bird's breast and yet in this instance tore through a hunting vest, clothes underneath, the chest cavity and into the muscle of Whittington's heart? Alex Jones has been bird hunting on countless occasions and considers himself an expert. Alex says that it is simply impossible for such a weak shotgun to cause such damage from 30 yards . Alex has used shotguns that are more powerful than the 28-gauge and seen pellets literally bounce off birds and only stun them. It is common practice for birds to be stunned as a result of the pellets not penetrating and it is usually necessary to have to snap the neck to finish them off. The only explanation that fits the nature of Whittington's injuries is that Cheney's gun discharged at extremely close range. The most fundamental basics of gun safety are that you don't point loaded weapons at people, you point them down at the ground and keep them very carefully under control. As others have speculated it is likely that Cheney was drunk and he dropped the weapon, causing it to discharge and pepper Whittington at close range. Cheney refused to talk to local police until the next day and the Secret Service made sure the authorities had no access to him. This tells us that Cheney considers himself to be above the law. If any other US citizen shot someone in the face would the police be happy to wait 14 hours before talking to them? The media seems to be focusing on the delay in reporting the original incident and the White House cover-up of the fact that Whittington had a heart attack. These are important issues but why are no questions being asked about the incompatibility between the official story and the injuries sustained by Whittington? Related: Secret Service stalls and delays for Cheney
Poster Comment: Cheney regards violence as inherently legitmate. Poor Whittington provides a unique example. Will Cheney pepper Iran with nukes? His interview on Fox News tonight may provide clues.
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#13. To: Fred Mertz (#10)
There was no buckshot involved.
A shotgun is commonly also referred to as a rifle in modern parlance, Duck, but thanks.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman There was no buckshot involved. SHHHHH.. DUCK... SHHHH... I wanted to see where he was going with this. ROFL...
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman http: //www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18161422% 255E663,00.html I didn't write the article.
Been a hunter, shooter and outdoor enthusiast for years and can confidently say that you are dead wrong. No hunter worth his salt would confuse the two.
I think one of the doctors in Corpus Christi reported the approximate size of the pellet in Whittington's heart (I read this on Daily Kos -- I think it was .55 mm,) and, unless he got the size very wrong, that particular pellet was too big to be shot used to hunt quail.
My apologies.
Don't know the exact size of the shot, but that sure seems reasonable for 7 1/2 shot.
But all Salt-Free hunters would. :)
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman This is why I think Cheney may prefer Whittington to be dead. This loopy stuff about wheeling and whirling, and shooting Whittington at 30 yards, and pellets causing heart attack, is just a lead-in to the sombre announcement that Whittington's "very stable" condition has become "eternally stable."
You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game.
Well... a 7 1/2 shell will have only 262 pellets in it. SO.. you are saying that 80% of the pellets hit Whittington from that distance? LOL
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman What bs. I would challenge AJ to step off thirty yards and let my 28 gauge demonstrate what it can do to his face and chest. BB gun, my ass.
You are so full of it, if you had more sense, you'd be ashamed. But no...
Tom, Wow... and after you apologized for being such an ass to me earlier... your next comment to me is AGAIN showing you as an ass. Lovely. Modern parlance encompasses non-hunters, Tom... people who don't handle guns won't distinguish between a rifle and a shotgun. They just don't care enough to make a distinction.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Amazing isn't it? "In modern parlance..." What a joke. Watch it, he will never admit he's wrong.
Brit Hume just said on Faux Noos, while recounting his interview with Cheney, that Cheney claimed to have a beer with the lunch/cookout, many hours prior to the incident occurring. I won't believe a word of the interview.
7 1/2 shot has a diameter of 2.41 mm. I had misremembered what the doctor said about the pellet in Whittington's heart: it's about 5 mm.
For Revelers Behind the Wheel, 'Only 2 Beers' Is an Unwise Line.
I was just reading that a heart condition and heart meds can interfere with the metabolization of alcohol.
Right. I know a friend on heart meds and he isn't supposed to (and he doesn't) drink alcohol. I saw this statement from an article posted at elPee: A shotgun shell is never called a 'round', at least among experienced hunters. He implies that he only hit him once.
Point is, if his metabolization of alcohol is impeded, he could still be intoxicated several hours after drinking with that unmetabolized alcohol.
This is the Hume quote from dKos source. http://www.dailykos.co m/story/2006/2/15/152454/482 The interview will air at 6 p.m. after Karl Rove edits it.
I didn't say that. I will say that if that many pellets hit him from a 28 gauge loaded w/ 7.5 shot then he was much closer than we've been told.
I would agree with you if he was MUCH closer...
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman That'd be what? 4 shot?
How much would 200 7.5 pellets weight, anybody know?
That table seems to indicate BBB.
not much
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman I'm guessing the entire payload weighed either 3/4 or 1 oz. 200 pellets would be very near to a full load.
That's too big for even ducks. BBB is used for high flying giant Canada Geese.
You got it all backwards Z, being married to Deferment Dick (remember why he married her to begin with), for even a very short time, would lead anyone to become a lesbian.
"War is a way of shattering to pieces...materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses... too intelligent." ~George Orwell
According to Wikipedia, the largest birdshot pellets, BBB, have a diameter of 4.83 mm, whereas the smallest buckshot pellets, 4, have a diameter of 6 mm. So the writer may not be far off in saying that Whittington has a pellet of buckshot in his heart.
Interesting. Why would Cheney be shooting such an inaapropriate load? Interesting.
Why would Cheney call a birdshot shell a round?
According to Alan Simpson Cheney's some sort of sharp shooting hunting expert. How could he have misspoken?
"War is a way of shattering to pieces...materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses... too intelligent." ~George Orwell
Cheney's no Prince Charming, that's for sure. Copulating with him could have become an embarrassment to Lynn Cheney and so filled her with disgust and contempt for the male sex that she turned to her own kind.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
I still don't see the big deal here... So the Vice President of the United States shot a citizen in the face with a shotgun... WHAT IS THE ALL THE FUSS ABOUT?
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Maybe Whittington can get one of those face transplants and then everything will be peachy again.
I just intimated the same re heart med drugs and alcohol to Starwind on another thread. I know you really need to be cautious with various drugs and alcohol.
This from Daily Kos is one of the funniest summaries of this situation I have seen thus far. Kudos to this poster: acshully occifer, no one was driving... (4.00 / 3) we were all in the back seat drinking. Guns, booze and ho's. They so gangtsa. "Anything that's good for your heart is good for your penis." Dr. John Mulhall,New York Presbyterian Hospital by sayitaintso on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 02:29:54 PM PDT [ Parent ]
Harry Whittington has a buckshot pellet in his heart and up to 200 pellets in the rest of his body after being accidentally shot by Mr Cheney during a weekend hunting trip.
#14. To: duckhunter (#11)
You do know there was no rifle involved, Right??
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#15. To: duckhunter (#13)
Harry Whittington has a buckshot pellet in his heart and up to 200 pellets in the rest of his body after being accidentally shot by Mr Cheney during a weekend hunting trip.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#16. To: duckhunter (#13)
#17. To: Feynman Lives! (#14)
A shotgun is commonly also referred to as a rifle in modern parlance, Duck, but thanks.
#18. To: duckhunter (#13)
#19. To: Fred Mertz (#16)
I didn't write the article.
#20. To: aristeides (#18)
I think it was .55 mm
#21. To: duckhunter (#17)
No hunter worth his salt would confuse the two.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#22. To: Zoroaster (#0)
#23. To: duckhunter (#20)
7 1/2 shot
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#24. To: Zoroaster (#0)
How can a weapon that has little more power than a kids BB gun fire projectiles that in most cases don't penetrate further than an inch into a bird's breast and yet in this instance tore through a hunting vest, clothes underneath, the chest cavity and into the muscle of Whittington's heart?
#25. To: Feynman Lives!, duckhunter (#14)
A shotgun is commonly also referred to as a rifle in modern parlance, Duck, but thanks.
#26. To: tom007 (#25)
You are so full of it, if you had more sense, you'd be ashamed. But no
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED NO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#27. To: duckhunter (#17)
Been a hunter, shooter and outdoor enthusiast for years and can confidently say that you are dead wrong. No hunter worth his salt would confuse the two.
#28. To: aristeides (#18)
#29. To: duckhunter (#20)
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#28)
#31. To: Fred Mertz (#28)
Cheney claimed to have a beer with the lunch/cookout, many hours prior to the incident occurring.
#32. To: aristeides, duckhunter (#31)
"I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that fired the round that hit Harry," Cheney told Fox News Channel in an interview.
#33. To: Fred Mertz (#32)
#34. To: aristeides (#33)
Brit Hume: "He said he'd had a beer at lunch and that it had been many hours earlier. It was dusk, around 5pm when this incident happened. And he said that they'd, uh, had lunch out in the field, a barbeque, he had a beer. But he said you don't hunt with people who are drinking. He said no one was drinking. He said they went back to the ranch afterword and took a break after that and went back out about 3 o'clock, so you're 4 or 5 hours distance from the last alcohol that he'd consumed and he said nobody was drinking. Not he, not anybody else."
#35. To: Feynman Lives! (#23)
SO.. you are saying that 80% of the pellets hit Whittington from that distance?
#36. To: duckhunter (#35)
didn't say that. I will say that if that many pellets hit him from a 28 gauge loaded w/ 7.5 shot then he was much closer than we've been told.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#37. To: aristeides (#29)
7 1/2 shot has a diameter of 2.41 mm. I had misremembered what the doctor said about the pellet in Whittington's heart: it's about 5 mm.
#38. To: Feynman Lives! (#36)
#39. To: duckhunter (#37)
#40. To: aristeides (#38)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#41. To: aristeides (#38)
How much would 200 7.5 pellets weight, anybody know?
#42. To: aristeides (#39)
That table seems to indicate BBB.
#43. To: Zoroaster (#8)
Cheney's wife writes lesbian love novels. Forty years of marriage to a bulldyke could compell a man to shot his hunting pal in the face.
#44. To: duckhunter (#42)
#45. To: aristeides (#44)
So the writer may not be far off in saying that Whittington has a pellet of buckshot in his heart.
#46. To: duckhunter (#45)
#47. To: Fred Mertz (#46)
Why would Cheney call a birdshot shell a round?
#48. To: robin (#43)
You got it all backwards Z, being married to Deferment Dick (remember why he married her to begin with), for even a very short time, would lead anyone to become a lesbian.
#49. To: Zoroaster (#48)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#50. To: Feynman Lives! (#49)
#51. To: aristeides (#31)
#52. To: Zoroaster, all (#0)
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