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Title: Navy says American sailors blabbed to Iranian captors
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Published: Jun 30, 2016
Author: Bob Fredericks
Post Date: 2016-06-30 23:26:20 by Tatarewicz
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PMF... IT TOOK LESS THAN A DAY FOR THE NAVY TO SPILL THE BEANS TO IRANIANS Started by Shura The US sailors who were detained by the Iranian navy last winter provided their name, rank and serial numbers — and pretty much everything else their captors demanded, the US Navy said in a blistering report Thursday. The 10 crew members, captured at gunpoint in the Persian Gulf on Jan. 12 by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, improperly revealed passwords for laptops and cellphones and even sensitive technical details about their two ships, including their top speed, capabilities and missions, the report said. “It is clear that some, if not all, crew members provided at least some information to interrogators beyond name, rank, service number and date of birth,” the report said. The Navy report blamed the incident on a combination of poor planning, clueless leaders who did not properly consider how risky their actions were, a lack of crew oversight and low morale. Their capture turned into an international incident that rattled nerves days before the controversial Iran nuke deal was about to be signed, and the Islamic theocracy’s mad mullahs exploited the detentions for propaganda purposes — forcing a woman in the crew to wear a hijab — and making headlines for weeks. Problems had plagued the mission from the beginning as the two vessels were making their way from Kuwait to Bahrain. The commander of the crews’ task force ordered the 250-nautical-mile transit, the longest the crews had attempted, on short notice, and “severely underestimated” the transit’s risks. “He lacked a questioning attitude, failed to promote a culture of safety, and disregarded appropriate backup from his staff and subordinate commands,” the report said. The report redacted names, but the Navy last week identified the commander of the boats’ task force as Capt. Kyle Moses and said he had been relieved of his command. The boats’ captains and crew did not review or stick to their planned course from the moment they left port, the report said, and inadvertently went through Saudi Arabian territorial waters before entering Iranian waters off the coast of Iran’s Farsi Island in the Gulf. At one point, the crew members did not realize they were near Farsi Island because they did not zoom into their navigation system’s map. “Had any crew member zoomed into the purple dot, they would have discovered the purple dot was Farsi Island,” the report said. Near the island, one of the boats suffered a faulty engine, and the two craft were approached by two Iranian vessels, which pointed their weapons at the hapless Americans as two other Iranian boats arrived on the scene. iran_us_navy.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=Photo: EPA The American captains did not order their gunners to put on protective gear or to man the weapons on the boats. Under the standard rules of engagement, US military personnel are obligated to defend their units. But in the hopes of de-escalating the situation, the captains directed their gunners to step away from their weapons. “I didn’t want to start a war with Iran,” one of the boat captains told investigators. “My thought at the end of the day was that no one had to die for a misunderstanding.” The Iranians forced the sailors to remove their body armor, kneel, and place their hands behind their heads, and took video and pictures of the crew doing so. At Farsi Island, they interrogated and detained the sailors overnight before releasing them the next day. The sailors also quickly gave in to Iranian demands that they eat and act happy while being filmed in order to be released, and one captain read an apology prepared by the Iranians. Unknown to them, the US government had already negotiated their unconditional release. In addition to Moses, the Navy last month fired Eric Rasch, commander of the squadron that included the sailors. The report said administrative action had been taken with regard to two personnel, and recommended action be taken regarding six others. The report also faulted the Iranians for violating international norms. They replaced an American flag on board with an IRGC one, ransacked the vessels and damaged equipment, the report said. The United States and Iranian militaries keep a close eye on each other in Gulf waters, with the US naval presence there meant to reassure regional allies of its commitment to their security. For Iran, which sees itself as resisting US interests throughout the Middle East, the detention was a public relations coup. Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei awarded medals to IRGC commanders, and Iranian media broadcast videos of the detainees. “This event was an act of God, it happened at a good time, and you acted admirably,” Khamenei told the Iranian sailors in January #2] Zharkov... The American captains did not order their gunners to put on protective gear or to man the weapons on the boats. Under the standard rules of engagement, US military personnel are obligated to defend their units. The obvious problem with "rules of engagement" is that the US government has never declared war against Iran. The rules of engagement kick in when war is underway. They don't apply in peacetime because they can't apply. But even if those rules did apply, one does not commit suicide by opening fire when there is no chance of success - the disabled boat was a sitting duck, and a fire fight would not have changed that. The Navy is looking for scapegoats, but the person responsible sits in the White House. Obama is the one who allows the Pentagon to undertake risky missions for nothing. Poster Comment: Funny.
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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
Agreed. As they were in Iranian waters, manning the guns would have been a act of war. In international waters, by all means, man the guns.
That's because they were average Americans in the military, with an average American attitude to submit and comply with all demands of authority, and do so without thinking.
Give them the same punishment John McCain received for telling all in the Hanoi Hilton! “Once a standing army is established, in any country, the people lose their liberty.” George Mason _____________________________________________________________ THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM - gliberals and 80% of Amurricans - is that they go by the surface of things like we probe their reality. The surface of things is what the toxic mass media dish up, a totally contrived matrix of their wishful thinking and their commie-Jew dogma.
I don't think the lost grunts looked upon Iranians as an enemy since Iran hasn't done anything that affects rank and file Americans whereas American sanctions imposed by (Israel-serving) politicians have generated a more hostile mindset in Iran, especially amongst their military.
The obvious problem with "rules of engagement" is that the US government has never declared war against Iran.
#2. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
The US sailors who were detained by the Iranian navy last winter provided their name, rank and serial numbers — and pretty much everything else their captors demanded, the US Navy said in a blistering report Thursday.
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